Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: BREATH PLAY


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: BREATH PLAY Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 11:32:10 AM   
RRafe


Posts: 2060
Joined: 8/29/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: greyarcher315



Safety will always be an issue with breathplay, but that just makes it more fun. just because i like someone sontrolling my breathing does not mean i would consider it with anyone who didn't know CPR, just in case something goes wrong. Follow th Boy Scout motto "be prepared" and You keep things safer for everyone. Enjoy it while You can, i am sure the government will "save" us from it soon enough.



I've done this many many Times-and every single girl has walked away under her own power.

Does it ever occur to people that there are people out there who are actually COMPETENT to manage risks?

_____________________________

I seem to be some wierd combination of Ren and Stimpy

(in reply to greyarcher315)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 11:41:40 AM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

His bondage book is about 1/3 about safety so take what he says with a grain of salt.


I'd rather say take him very, very seriously. Both on the subject of bondage as well as breath play, he is one of the very, very few who have done their research.

OP: Breath play is extremely dangerous, but it can also be very sexy. Read Wisemans article. Know the risks. Have a good discussion with your partner about whether or not the two of you are willing to take the risks.

< Message edited by Guilty1974 -- 10/30/2007 11:42:52 AM >

(in reply to SimplyMichael)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 11:53:12 AM   
Phin


Posts: 1802
Joined: 2/26/2007
Status: offline 		a veriation of the hand over mouth and nose is to use your mouth over their mouth and pinch the nostrials... they feel your breath on their skin, and can do nothing on their own... very hot...

_____________________________

"Isn't wonderful when our bruises show what we hide in the back of our heads?"Fayetteville band, Nephilym

"He is my angel, my devil, my naughty boy, but above anything else my Master"My girl sin

(in reply to Guilty1974)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 1:53:50 PM   
Rover


Posts: 2634
Joined: 6/28/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe
I've done this many many Times-and every single girl has walked away under her own power.

Does it ever occur to people that there are people out there who are actually COMPETENT to manage risks?


Actually, as it relates to the risk of sudden cardiovascular death from breath play, the point is that it's unmanageable (ie: you cannot mitigate or reduce the risk).
 
That does not mean that you (or anyone else) should not engage in breath play.  Just that it should be known that there is a risk which no amount of experience can overcome.
 
John

_____________________________

"Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions."

Sri da Avabhas

(in reply to RRafe)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 1:58:20 PM   
colouredin


Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline 		I think that knowing the sub well enough to gage reactions and stuff is important. Its something that i have engaged in in mild bouts and i loved it. But i know there are risks. You do these things knowing them.

_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

(in reply to Rover)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 2:05:20 PM   
Gwynvyd


Posts: 4949
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Phin

a veriation of the hand over mouth and nose is to use your mouth over their mouth and pinch the nostrials... they feel your breath on their skin, and can do nothing on their own... very hot...


Niiiiiiice......

Memo to me.

Gwyn,
"Clean up on Isle One!"

_____________________________

Self avowed Geek-Girl~
Come for the boobs, stay for the brains.

Be the kinda woman that when your feet hit the floor in the morning the Devil says "Oh shit, shes awake..."
~ Softandshy's "Shiney"

(in reply to Phin)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 2:51:49 PM   
MidnightMaiden


Posts: 142
Joined: 10/22/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe
I especially like it during anal, with her on her back-while I am inside.....the contractions caused by the struggling are truly wonderful to feel........Makes me REALLY have to work on keeping track of the count.

And I just adore the trust factor it takes for a girl to go there, and how hard it makes a lot of them come.


Damn.... I was just killing a few minutes before heading out to the chiropractor, now I gotta go change...

(in reply to RRafe)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 8:35:26 PM   
Phin


Posts: 1802
Joined: 2/26/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

Niiiiiiice......

Memo to me.

Gwyn,
"Clean up on Isle One!"
I couldnt tell by your reaction... did you like the idea?

_____________________________

"Isn't wonderful when our bruises show what we hide in the back of our heads?"Fayetteville band, Nephilym

"He is my angel, my devil, my naughty boy, but above anything else my Master"My girl sin

(in reply to Gwynvyd)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 9:28:54 PM   
MasterFireMaam


Posts: 5587
Joined: 3/1/2006
From: Charleston, WV
Status: offline 		I don't know of any online sources for information about this kind of play. Perhaps because it comes with so many risks. What most people refer to ask breathe play is really 'blood flow to the brain' play. For the safest kind of 'breath play', simply tell them to hold their breathe. The autonomous breathing reflex should take over for them if they pass out. Of course, the risk here is that they won't keep breathing on their own if they do pass out. Know the risks before you play. This IS risky play.

As for the other kind of breath play where you're constricting the blood flow to the brain by squeezing the neck, I highly recommend you abandon your online search and learn from someone experienced first hand. It's just too risky to do from reading a few paragraphs.

Master Fire


_____________________________

The power of who we are can be intoxicating. The power of who we could be is humbling.
-----
Ms Relationship Books
-----
BDSM How-To Books

(in reply to moki1984)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/30/2007 11:58:00 PM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

I think that knowing the sub well enough to gage reactions and stuff is important.


Did you even read the article that was mentioned at least four or five times in this thread? Youd on't know your subs reactions welle enough by definition. The first sign of passing out is often... passing out.

(in reply to colouredin)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/31/2007 12:04:05 AM   
Tarantuladoll


Posts: 22
Joined: 9/2/2007
Status: offline 		First I want to say that I am new to breath play and enjoy it with all my Domme heart.  As someone already stated use a  signal that cannot be confused with a struggle.  I have come up witht the idea of having a bell for my pet to ring when needed.  It is something that will not be confused with just some playful struggling.  

Tarantuladoll

P.S Thank you to everyone who put up resources!!!!!!!!  I have been looking for some good ones myself

(in reply to greyarcher315)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/31/2007 7:42:34 AM   
chellekitty


Posts: 3923
Joined: 3/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
The autonomous breathing reflex should take over for them if they pass out. Of course, the risk here is that they won't keep breathing on their own if they do pass out. Know the risks before you play. This IS risky play.

yes...i have the kind of sleep apnea that happens where my brain stops telling me to breathe when i am asleep...so...not that i won't eventually breathe....but....breath play to the point of passing out is a bad idea for me...unless you have my cpap on hand...and are certified in CPR...and aren't afraid to call fucking 911...umm end rant before it gets worse....

quote:


As for the other kind of breath play where you're constricting the blood flow to the brain by squeezing the neck, I highly recommend you abandon your online search and learn from someone experienced first hand. It's just too risky to do from reading a few paragraphs.

this is the kind of breath play i enjoy because i am very good at being able to tell when i am about to pass out...(lot's of experience in passing out) and if the Dominant is so good that he can make you pass out in this method very quickly, he is also so good that he can do it slowly and not make you pass out....and i quite agree with your assertion...

Abandon your online search.  Learn first hand, in real life from someone who is experienced in this type of play.

chelle


_____________________________

One thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve. ~Albert Schweitzer

(in reply to MasterFireMaam)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/31/2007 11:56:53 AM   
colouredin


Posts: 4279
Joined: 2/2/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

I think that knowing the sub well enough to gage reactions and stuff is important.


Did you even read the article that was mentioned at least four or five times in this thread? Youd on't know your subs reactions welle enough by definition. The first sign of passing out is often... passing out.

Gosh thats an aggressive response. Well in my experiance in short bursts its fine.



_____________________________

Resident Lime(y) Tart
There would be no gossip without secrets
I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvfMJoKDAk

(in reply to Guilty1974)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: BREATH PLAY - 10/31/2007 12:02:12 PM   
LATEXBABY64


Posts: 2107
Joined: 4/8/2004
Status: offline 		we know that people can hold their breath for about 60secs  know this from swimming. that is the average
pushing this limit is risky most is been two for some i am always safe never push anyone beyond what the average person can with stand respect limits of a person is important smokers have breathing problems
you never see the long term damage that can be caused from oxygen deprivation

(in reply to colouredin)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: BREATH PLAY - 11/2/2007 7:20:19 AM   
ManOfAdventures


Posts: 21
Joined: 10/11/2007
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarantuladoll

First I want to say that I am new to breath play and enjoy it with all my Domme heart.  As someone already stated use a  signal that cannot be confused with a struggle.  I have come up witht the idea of having a bell for my pet to ring when needed.  It is something that will not be confused with just some playful struggling.  

Tarantula doll

P.S Thank you to everyone who put up resources!!!!!!!!  I have been looking for some good ones myself



While I agree (and have already mentioned) that it is VERY important to have a safe action that cannot be confused with a struggle, I would not personally use something like a bell or hand away from the body as our safe action. These actions, at least as I am picturing them require a measure of CONSCIOUS THOUGHT on behalf of the sub which MAY NOT BE PRESENT in an intense breath play session. 

In my breath play I have my sub's hand on my arm. If she lets go we stop, if she squeezes we stop, basically if there is any variance in pressure whatsoever or she does anything that makes me think for a moment that she is in trouble we stop. It is as close as I can get to "fail safe", because it does not require her to have the presence of mind to remember what her safe action is. No method is foolproof, and I certainly welcome other suggestions to make mine better.

Christopher

_____________________________

My views on subs, slaves, Love, submission, and ownership:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1347734/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1348187

(in reply to Tarantuladoll)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: BREATH PLAY - 11/2/2007 7:35:54 AM   
applecandy


Posts: 68
Joined: 10/18/2007
Status: offline 		I must say - I REALLY like the way you think. Your caution and concern is pretty blatant, and even if some of the other safewords/safeactions work for others, I much prefer this idea. Must add it to my mental file...

I have activity-induced asthma, which has been known to flare up even in fairly low-activity but high-intensity scenes. Yes, I do enjoy breath play, but only with actual PARTNERS, not play buddies. Whoever's gonna be restricting my breath is going to know me well enough to be able to tell at first glance whether or not I'm going into an attack - guaranteed he or she will be faster at grabbing the inhaler if there's a problem.

This affliction, oddly enough, has also prevented me from being inverted - a situation I most wholeheartedly detest.

_____________________________

--Hime

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -Buddha

(in reply to ManOfAdventures)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: BREATH PLAY - 11/2/2007 9:20:22 AM   
Phin


Posts: 1802
Joined: 2/26/2007
Status: offline 		the "safe action" that I like to use is at all time the sub's hand is on my arm, close to my elbow. if the hand moves, time to let go...

_____________________________

"Isn't wonderful when our bruises show what we hide in the back of our heads?"Fayetteville band, Nephilym

"He is my angel, my devil, my naughty boy, but above anything else my Master"My girl sin

(in reply to applecandy)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: BREATH PLAY - 11/2/2007 11:29:34 AM   
IrishMist


Posts: 7480
Joined: 11/17/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe
I've done this many many Times-and every single girl has walked away under her own power.

Does it ever occur to people that there are people out there who are actually COMPETENT to manage risks?


Actually, as it relates to the risk of sudden cardiovascular death from breath play, the point is that it's unmanageable (ie: you cannot mitigate or reduce the risk).
 
That does not mean that you (or anyone else) should not engage in breath play.  Just that it should be known that there is a risk which no amount of experience can overcome.
 
John

I have to agree with this. I have done breath play more times than I can count; the person I was with was more than medically competent to administer cpr if the need arouse; however, there are always risks that are not covered .
We always indulged in this with his hand around my throat, mainly because he knew I would fight it and it added to the intensity; something that I NEEDED; the risks are huge; the more I struggled, the more he exerted pressure... he could have crushed my windpipe easily, he was more than trained to do so and it was something that we knew could happen if the situation ever got out of his control.

Knowing that some risks are there is one thing; being prepared for those that MAY arise is another thing entirely.

_____________________________

If I said something to offend you, please tell me what it was so that I can say it again later.


(in reply to Rover)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: BREATH PLAY - 11/2/2007 12:13:46 PM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin
Gosh thats an aggressive response.


Did you read the article? My repsonse is not aggressive at all, it's a medical fact. The first sign of passing out and heart failure is often passing out and heart failure. No physical signs. No safe words. Just bang. That you survived so far doesn't change that medical fact, and neither does it make stating that fact "aggressive".

That doesn't mean that I think you shouldn't do breath play. I love breathplay. But it scares the shit out of me if people talk about how well they know their partners body language and how they always know how far they can go. That means they and their partners are not making a well informed decision on a very dangerous type of play.


(in reply to colouredin)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: BREATH PLAY - 11/2/2007 2:40:31 PM   
ManOfAdventures


Posts: 21
Joined: 10/11/2007
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: applecandy

I must say - I REALLY like the way you think. Your caution and concern is pretty blatant, and even if some of the other safewords/safeactions work for others, I much prefer this idea. Must add it to my mental file...

I have activity-induced asthma, which has been known to flare up even in fairly low-activity but high-intensity scenes. Yes, I do enjoy breath play, but only with actual PARTNERS, not play buddies. Whoever's gonna be restricting my breath is going to know me well enough to be able to tell at first glance whether or not I'm going into an attack - guaranteed he or she will be faster at grabbing the inhaler if there's a problem.

This affliction, oddly enough, has also prevented me from being inverted - a situation I most wholeheartedly detest.
Thanks applecandy, 
I have no doubt the struggle thing is fun as part of a scene, with the right sub we'll use struggle during play and sex all the time. I love playing "don't let me in your..." and not just because I've never lost. Indeed the great thing about being with someone you trust, and who puts your safety first, is you get to explore things with as little risk as possible; and that applies to friendship, sex, heck pretty much anything.  I don't understand your last line though, and maybe it's just because it's after five on a Friday, but you said (presumably regarding your activity-induced asthma): "This affliction, oddly enough, has also prevented me from being inverted - a situation I most wholeheartedly detest.". Do you mean that because of your asthma you have to be less demure? Or did you mean it has prevented you from being extroverted? It's the former of the two I can't get my head around... Christopher P.S. pity I live five hours from Clevland you sound like you're fun to play with...

_____________________________

My views on subs, slaves, Love, submission, and ownership:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1347734/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1348187

(in reply to applecandy)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: BREATH PLAY Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109