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ORIGINAL: moki1984

thanks for the info. pretty much what I expected..and I expected some remarks like "dnonymars" you know I did not say "hey I am going out to choke someone with no experience because its cool" I asked for links on information because I want to expand my knowledge of the subject. Even if I do not perform a certain kink or procedure on someone, I still like to be somewhat versed in the area of topic and know a bit.

I guess some did not understand, "I realize many of you are going to say omg that is not safe...save it, thats not My question. " meant SAVE IT THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION. if I sound like a bitch...well I guess I am. I know very well the risks..many things in bdsm are risky..many things in life are risky..I am well aware, but wanting to know more..I dont see the problem in that. so once again I will state again, "I realize many of you are going to say omg that is not safe...save it, thats not My question.
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now that I have said My peace about that..Thanks for the input otherwise

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ORIGINAL: Phin

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

Niiiiiiice......

Memo to me.

Gwyn,
"Clean up on Isle One!"

I couldnt tell by your reaction... did you like the idea?

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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp


Okay... I have no links, sorry.  But I do breath play....with a belt and with my hands... I find it a very hot and sensual way to play and started when I was too young to mention.

My "trick" as you may call it is to slowly bring my hands up to his neck and encircle it gently..look into his eyes as I press a little harder, always mindful of the adams apple and very little pressure on the wind pipe.
For me, slow is the key.  And getting to know his body and reactions.
After doing it for a while in several sessions (as part of other play) I find that all I have to do is touch him on the neck and its an extreme turn on (for both)

And I have had the experience of having my circulation cut off from a choke hold.  Unfortunately it wasn't intentional and scared the heck out of my switch as we were just kidding around.... very interesting feeling though, to have lost 5 seconds. 
~Psy... aka Lady Jag

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

I never felt safe doing it with a belt... but I had a sub ( recently released) that loved breath play. On the occasions he was allowed intercourse breath play was always involved with the threat that if he did not perform well enough there would be massive concequenses.. He and I knew I was talking smack...  but he loved it.. and let me tell you it seriously brought on his A game. It worked even from behind ( who says you cant still be a Domme on your knees in the doggie position? LOL ) I always used my hands... if I had known about that kiss thing Phin pointed out... Holy Hera...

Grrr.. why didnt I think of that?

But I was as safe as one can be with ones hands about anothers throat.. I am First responder certified still. Though I think the medics would have been thrown off if things ever really went bad..

He had never gotten to a point of passing out.. just wooseyness.

Gwyn

***Edited to pimp slap the typo fairy***

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I think that knowing the sub well enough to gage reactions and stuff is important.

Did you even read the article that was mentioned at least four or five times in this thread? Youd on't know your subs reactions welle enough by definition. The first sign of passing out is often... passing out.

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ORIGINAL: ManOfAdventures

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ORIGINAL: applecandy

I must say - I REALLY like the way you think. Your caution and concern is pretty blatant, and even if some of the other safewords/safeactions work for others, I much prefer this idea. Must add it to my mental file...

I have activity-induced asthma, which has been known to flare up even in fairly low-activity but high-intensity scenes. Yes, I do enjoy breath play, but only with actual PARTNERS, not play buddies. Whoever's gonna be restricting my breath is going to know me well enough to be able to tell at first glance whether or not I'm going into an attack - guaranteed he or she will be faster at grabbing the inhaler if there's a problem.

This affliction, oddly enough, has also prevented me from being inverted - a situation I most wholeheartedly detest.

Thanks applecandy, 
I have no doubt the struggle thing is fun as part of a scene, with the right sub we'll use struggle during play and sex all the time. I love playing "don't let me in your..." and not just because I've never lost. Indeed the great thing about being with someone you trust, and who puts your safety first, is you get to explore things with as little risk as possible; and that applies to friendship, sex, heck pretty much anything.  I don't understand your last line though, and maybe it's just because it's after five on a Friday, but you said (presumably regarding your activity-induced asthma): "This affliction, oddly enough, has also prevented me from being inverted - a situation I most wholeheartedly detest.". Do you mean that because of your asthma you have to be less demure? Or did you mean it has prevented you from being extroverted? It's the former of the two I can't get my head around... Christopher P.S. pity I live five hours from Clevland you sound like you're fun to play with...

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ORIGINAL: sammy7626

Actually, that depends on the sub. 

I follow a very predictable pattern, some of which is visible to whomever is strangling me, some of them not...and sometimes it has nothing to do with lack of air...

1. My hearing becomes clouded (sounds like someone stuffed cotton in my ears), and then they ring
2. My vision slowly  deteriorates (dark areas in my peripheral vision) at which time my pupils begin to dilate rapidly
3. The world slows down-everything seems like its in slow motion
4. I get spots in front of my eyes.
5.  I pass out.

All of this takes anywhere from 20 seconds to a full minute depending on why I'm passing out, but I'm usually well enough aware of my own symptomology to be able to warn the person I'm with that I am passing out, whether its verbally or by hand signal.

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 ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

Did you read the article? My repsonse is not aggressive at all, it's a medical fact. The first sign of passing out and heart failure is often passing out and heart failure. No physical signs. No safe words. Just bang. That you survived so far doesn't change that medical fact, and neither does it make stating that fact "aggressive".

That doesn't mean that I think you shouldn't do breath play. I love breathplay. But it scares the shit out of me if people talk about how well they know their partners body language and how they always know how far they can go. That means they and their partners are not making a well informed decision on a very dangerous type of play.

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ORIGINAL: BBWnNC72

i for one love breathplay, i know its risks, that is why i only allow one person to do it to me and i trust this person and He is trained in it, how much pressure and when to stop, where to plave His hands and how long to.  i am hoping to be choked out soon and when i asked for that, He told me when He thinks i am ready and it wont be for a while. 
Good luck and be safe.

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ORIGINAL: sammy7626
I think she meant she can't be suspended upside down...at least, that was how I read it.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: sammy7626

Actually, that depends on the sub. 

I follow a very predictable pattern, some of which is visible to whomever is strangling me, some of them not...and sometimes it has nothing to do with lack of air...

1. My hearing becomes clouded (sounds like someone stuffed cotton in my ears), and then they ring
2. My vision slowly  deteriorates (dark areas in my peripheral vision) at which time my pupils begin to dilate rapidly
3. The world slows down-everything seems like its in slow motion
4. I get spots in front of my eyes.
5.  I pass out.

All of this takes anywhere from 20 seconds to a full minute depending on why I'm passing out, but I'm usually well enough aware of my own symptomology to be able to warn the person I'm with that I am passing out, whether its verbally or by hand signal.

If you take the time to read the relevant articles, you'll note that there is absolutely no (none, nada, zilch, zero) symptomology prior to sudden cardiac arrest.  And that there is nothing (nada, zilch, zero) that can be done to mitigate that risk. 
 
Again, that is not to say that no one should engage in breath play.  Just that you should be informed about what risks that entails.
 
John

P.S. - You committed the cardinal sin of editing someone's post.  That's a no no.  Here's the unedited post to which you replied, showing where you expunged his references to the risk of cardiac arrest.  I hope you will consider refraining from such practices in the future.

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 ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

Did you read the article? My repsonse is not aggressive at all, it's a medical fact. The first sign of passing out and heart failure is often passing out and heart failure. No physical signs. No safe words. Just bang. That you survived so far doesn't change that medical fact, and neither does it make stating that fact "aggressive".

That doesn't mean that I think you shouldn't do breath play. I love breathplay. But it scares the shit out of me if people talk about how well they know their partners body language and how they always know how far they can go. That means they and their partners are not making a well informed decision on a very dangerous type of play.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You have my sincere apology, sammy.  Not my first mistake, nor my last.  But always willing to step to the plate and admit them.  Thanks for setting me straight.
 
John

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ORIGINAL: sammy7626

And for clarity's sake...I didn't quote the same post you did...and didn't edit it, though for your benefit alone I left the full quote of this one intact.    I, in point of fact, was quoting and replying to post number 29.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

As I know all too well, using your fingers on the side of the neck cuts off flow of blood to the brain and can quickly cause someone to pass out which will freak you the fuck out if you care for the person and don't expect and don't know what the hell is happening.

Yes, but it was so fucking cool wasn't it?

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    A favorite trick of mine and FAR safer is to simply put your hand over someone's mouth and use  your other hand to pinch their nose shut.  Allowing them to breath once in a while through their nose all while looking deeply into their eyes tends to make most women's cunts wet.

  NODNODNOD

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You have my sincere apology, sammy.  Not my first mistake, nor my last.  But always willing to step to the plate and admit them.  Thanks for setting me straight.
 
John

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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ORIGINAL: sammy7626

And for clarity's sake...I didn't quote the same post you did...and didn't edit it, though for your benefit alone I left the full quote of this one intact.    I, in point of fact, was quoting and replying to post number 29.

True, you didn't edit my post. That said Rovers totally right. All fine that you have those signs before you pass out this way, but the moment you get cardiac arrest those signs will not be there. Please do read Wisemans article.