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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:03:09 PM   
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I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up

Can you elaborate a little on this. Clarify what you mean?



It's not just men that can be controlled by orgasn denial and reward.


I'm sorry im really confused. What does this have to do with the thread?
Its about masochists who by definition enjoy pain.
Why would orgasm denial work better on a masochist than pain?

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:05:20 PM   
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I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up.

And I can also do that-without the massive collateral damage many seem to think it needs to get there. A little finesse goes a lot further than poorly applied force.


Ramped up, pleasure becomes pain, and pain becomes pleasure and there is nothing to differentiate the two.


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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:06:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up

Can you elaborate a little on this. Clarify what you mean?



It's not just men that can be controlled by orgasn denial and reward.


I'm sorry im really confused. What does this have to do with the thread?
Its about masochists who by definition enjoy pain.
Why would orgasm denial work better on a masochist than pain?


pleasure is also a part of the sensation play-especially if you can transmute one to the other.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:07:19 PM   
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Dude...you just must stop...

or

not

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:08:30 PM   
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I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up.

And I can also do that-without the massive collateral damage many seem to think it needs to get there. A little finesse goes a lot further than poorly applied force.


Ramped up, pleasure becomes pain, and pain becomes pleasure and there is nothing to differentiate the two.



I'd beg to differ here. Pleasure can become pain, but not the physical pain i get from bruises, cuts, burns, staples, needles, slaps, punches, kicks etc etc etc.
There is a definite difference between the two.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:09:25 PM   
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I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up.

And I can also do that-without the massive collateral damage many seem to think it needs to get there. A little finesse goes a lot further than poorly applied force.


Ramped up, pleasure becomes pain, and pain becomes pleasure and there is nothing to differentiate the two.



If i keep forcing a woman to have orgasms,it becomes excruciatingly painful.  The spincters clench so hard that they get sore. the pc mucles gets stressed. Cramps happen, and they get worse and worse with every reccurrance.

If you leave a girl bound-with one of those jack hammer vibes stuffed up against her sex-she will be begging for it to STOP in less than an hour..........

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:10:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up

Can you elaborate a little on this. Clarify what you mean?



It's not just men that can be controlled by orgasn denial and reward.


I'm sorry im really confused. What does this have to do with the thread?
Its about masochists who by definition enjoy pain.
Why would orgasm denial work better on a masochist than pain?


pleasure is also a part of the sensation play-especially if you can transmute one to the other.


As i say in my post above its a different kind of pain.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:11:15 PM   
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I beg to differ

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:12:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up

Can you elaborate a little on this. Clarify what you mean?



It's not just men that can be controlled by orgasn denial and reward.


I'm sorry im really confused. What does this have to do with the thread?
Its about masochists who by definition enjoy pain.
Why would orgasm denial work better on a masochist than pain?


pleasure is also a part of the sensation play-especially if you can transmute one to the other.


As i say in my post above its a different kind of pain.


But still pain, and still part of the sensation continuum mentioned by the op-you are splitting hairs for the sake of argument.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:15:56 PM   
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'"The essence of sadomasochism is not so much "pain" as the overwhelming of one's senses - emotionally more than physically. Active sexual masochism has little to do with pain and everything to do with the search for emotional pleasure. When we understand that it is pain only, and not cruelty, that is the essential in this group of manifestations, we begin to come nearer to their explanation. The masochist desires to experience pain, but she generally desires that it should be inflicted in love; the sadist desires to inflict pain, but he desires that it should be felt as love...."

This was sent to me in an email here on c/m--any thoughts on this??? I to agree with most of  this...




In the pamphlet the quote is attributed to  Havelock Ellis, M.D. (1926). Studies of the Psychology of Sex, F.A. Davis Company, pg. 160.


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ORIGINAL: Rover

I thought that sounded familiar... it's a quote directly from a booklet authored by Susan Wright (National Coalition for Sexual Freedom or NCSF) and Dr. Charles Moser (Phd, MD, and noted BDSM author).  Here's a link for those who may be interested in reading the entire booklet, providing context for the quotation.
 
http://www.leatherleadership.org/library/whatsm.htm
 
John



I found the pamphlet itself to be an interesting read.
Thanks Rover.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:20:11 PM   
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I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up.

And I can also do that-without the massive collateral damage many seem to think it needs to get there. A little finesse goes a lot further than poorly applied force.


Actually i'm not splitting hairs i'm trying to say that your original post quoted here says about controlling just as effectively!! Just as effectively for who? Wouldn't work for me.
Also the second part of your quote i personally find quite insulting. I get off on quite severe pain which yes causes damage however lasting that may be. Not talking permanent damage here. For me personally some well applied force (why you brought poorly into it i dont know) is far better than the pleasure sensation you mention.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:21:19 PM   
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If you leave a girl bound-with one of those jack hammer vibes stuffed up against her sex-she will be begging for it to STOP in less than an hour..........

I beg to differ
 



Laughs, at least with the ones *I* was with.


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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:22:51 PM   
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I can control as effectively with pleasure impulses as pain ones-it's all about ramping it up.

And I can also do that-without the massive collateral damage many seem to think it needs to get there. A little finesse goes a lot further than poorly applied force.


Actually i'm not splitting hairs i'm trying to say that your original post quoted here says about controlling just as effectively!! Just as effectively for who? Wouldn't work for me.
Also the second part of your quote i personally find quite insulting. I get off on quite severe pain which yes causes damage however lasting that may be. Not talking permanent damage here. For me personally some well applied force (why you brought poorly into it i dont know) is far better than the pleasure sensation you mention.


But we haven't played, have we? Is this not subjective to personal experience? I still felt that you were splitting hairs over an intangible.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:25:28 PM   
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Only in my dreams fluffy dom
Is this not subjective to personal experience?
Yes definately but i felt you were berating those that find the pleasure in the physical pain rather than the pleasure from pain.
I still felt that you were splitting hairs over an intangible.
Kind of. But only in the interests of differentiating between the two kinds of pain we have mentioned.


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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, don't agree with the quote in the OP. I can't say that when I experience pain as pleasure that it matters at all what emotion it's administered with. Although if it was with hate I think I'd be worried and uncomfortable. When I inflict pain I do it because I like to feel someone squirm and jump. I guess that's an emotion. It makes me happy.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:28:14 PM   
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But we haven't played, have we?
Only in my dreams fluffy dom
Is this not subjective to personal experience?
Yes definately but i felt you were berating those that find the pleasure in the physical pain rather than the pleasure from pain.
I still felt that you were splitting hairs over an intangible.
Kind of. But only in the interests of differentiating between the two kinds of pain we have mentioned.



Not at all. Iv'e beaten asses pretty serverely-caned them to welts that took a week to heal.

But they did heal, and I did it by request-it's not my usual pleasure to inflict that sort of damage-because it takes that long before a girl can play again. I'm quite aware of the needs of masochists-some simply fall outside of the ranges I like to have to maintain-they can become very needy for it.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:34:46 PM   
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For me it is cane marks that take six weeks to heal and, that Sir will still play hard on my ass even with them there.
I sometimes forget that my way isn't everyones way, im sure most of us do it at times.

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:39:05 PM   
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All personal preference and whatever floats your boat.
For me it is cane marks that take six weeks to heal and, that Sir will still play hard on my ass even with them there.
I sometimes forget that my way isn't everyones way, im sure most of us do it at times.


Not a problem.....but believe me......I'm anything but "fluffy" to a bound girl who is getting her cunt swabbed out with alchohol......and watching me uncap the dozen or so 1.5" 20 gage needles I am about to lace her labia shut with.

There will be blood, but very few marks. And she WILL remember me later on, whenever she sits-or even pees.

But the marks left, like mosquito bites-the memories-anything but "fluffy"

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:40:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just crossed my legs lol, but that is a good reaction from me
I just like calling you fluffy dom, its like a pet name except being a dom of course you're not a pet

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RE: S&M - 10/31/2007 5:44:06 PM   
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I just crossed my legs lol, but that is a good reaction from me
I just like calling you fluffy dom, its like a pet name except being a dom of course you're not a pet


Well, when I got called "teddy bear" it was with SUCH a sarcastic tone-I wonder why?

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