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HOUDINI1961 -> Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!!!! (11/1/2007 9:30:32 PM)
i'm finally coming out of the leather closet at 45 and after having "scenes" most of my life, now trying to find a bondage Daddy or MASTER. Problem #1 Why do the real ones into the scene always want sex parties, multiple partners, use the boy in demos, suck his friends off, etc. etc. i want one freakin' Daddy or MASTER not to sleep with the whole city! Leathermen don't seem to even try for monogamy, it's like a free-for-all. it takes me a LONG time to trust someone after bad experiences i've had and i find it hard to get to know someone when they go out 3 times a week, either to the bars or a leather club, etc. like they always have to roam in packs or something. Problem#2 sure to piss people off. If i meet one more "real" leather guy who lives in a trailer park, drives a shitty car, has a drug addiction or alcohol problem and a crappy job, i think i will scream! why does this kink world attract those lower on the totem pole. don't get me wrong i'm 45 years old, no spring chicken plus hiv to boot. i'm no prize but how can i respect a MASTER who is worse off than i am. How is he supposed to own me and run my life when his own life is a freakin' mess? Problem #3 sure to piss MASTERS/Daddies off i am 45, hiv but damn i try to hold it together, eat right, don't smoke, workout, turn lots of heads for being an old fart, lol! How can i respect a MASTER, for when i look up at him from kneeling at his feet, all i see is his layers of fat? How can i respect someone who eats crap, doesn't exercise, gets drunk every week,etc. How can i trust a MASTER to TPE and to own me mind, body and soul and to run and manage my life when he can't even manage his own waistline??? For a relationship such a MASTER/slave to work for me, i honestly with my whole heart have to believe he IS BETTER than me in all aspects....intelligence, physical prowess, successful career, etc. And believe me, i am not some stuckup snob who lives to shop in the malls. i grew up middle class and here i stay. i need a MASTER or Daddy so bad. i fought the feelings for years but now my new motto is "time to put up or shut up". i am NOT looking for perfection but give me a break. i don't want to share you with the leather community, i think your slave or boy should be more important than going to leather contests and functions. Once the relationship is established and going strong then branching out is more appropriate. i believe so anyway. Problem #4 Why do leathermen think they are MASTERS because they swear at me, call me "faggot", "pussy", etc. that does nothing for my confidence in them. i want one to get really deep inside my head and own it, make me want things i never wanted and to crave those things and to please. That takes smarts and getting into someones head not throwing a bunch of verbal insults around. If that's all it takes than i can be a MASTER too! Problem#5 Because i am looking for a "bondage" Daddy or MASTER for TPE and heavy control i get the guys who find me attractive who know nothing about bondage saying "oh, yea, i'll tie you up". and 2 seconds later the hands are turning blue from handcuffs(my own) being on too tight. so now when i ask a MASTER what kind of bondage equipment he has, and he says a pair of handcuffs and some rope, i know to move on. And when i do, they get pissed and tell me i'm a fake slave or boy. i'm supposed to worship the ground they walk on because they "say" they are a Master. like i said, i need more proof than name calling and a pair of handcuffs. Soooooo, am i hopeless? do i make any good points? or am i missing the boat?am i doomed to being alone and tying myself up for the rest of my life? am i supposed to jerk off to fantasies and photos online forever? After my last vanilla relationship ended(he dumped me), i vowed to never have someone vanilla again. Oh, why did he break up with me? i was addicted to leather, kink, etc. Yea, no DUHHHH! i really loved him, we'd lie in bed and i'd wish he would tie me up, wish he would control me but instead what did i get....a mind-blowing blowjob!!! haha! i want a MASTER that will make me cry, not from pain but from feeling bad when i knew i disappointed him or screwed up. one that will make me cry when i miss him so much when we are apart. one that will make me cry because i am so god-damn happy i could burst! one that will make me cry because my whole soul is beaming yet is totally controlled by him. Oh well i have more to say, but getting tired so the rest of my rants will have to wait..... my vids: www.youtube.com/houdini1961

GhitaAmati -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!!!! (11/1/2007 9:37:38 PM)
Oh jeesh. I cant even begin to answer this one on the boards. Trust me its gonna be better if I write this one on the other side.

applecandy -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/1/2007 9:41:58 PM)
So, being just about the complete opposite, I'm gonna try and give some advice from my perspective - hope it helps. Generalizations, however common the occurrences may have been in your experience, are not fact. There's a Master out there for you. It's just an ordeal finding Him. Be patient and open, and He'll come your way.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!!!! (11/1/2007 10:03:47 PM)
quote: Why do the real ones into the scene always want sex parties, multiple partners, use the boy in demos, suck his friends off, etc. etc. It's an inherent part of male/leather culture. Just is. The sense of familial close bonding through sex and proving masculinity is just how the culture grew into itself. Not to say there aren't monogamist leather daddies out there- it's just really hard to find. quote: If i meet one more "real" leather guy who lives in a trailer park, drives a shitty car, has a drug addiction or alcohol problem and a crappy job, i think i will scream! why does this kink world attract those lower on the totem pole. It's really more an issue that all the good ones are taken and that the fresh meat is NOT given an easy pass to enter. quote: Why do leathermen think they are MASTERS because they swear at me, call me "faggot", "pussy", etc. that does nothing for my confidence in them. i want one to get really deep inside my head and own it, make me want things i never wanted and to crave those things and to please. That takes smarts and getting into someones head not throwing a bunch of verbal insults around. If that's all it takes than i can be a MASTER too! Again, think of leather culture as a frat with gay men who love rough sex. Leather culture is exclusive, and very wary about losing their values to clueless newbies. You don't like their ways, then you shouldn't try to be in their culture.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/1/2007 10:19:05 PM)
Take a moment to write out, in a calm manner, exactly what you want. Don't focus on what you don't want, even though knowing those thingsd can be VERY helpful. Put the list of what you want in your profile. If the men who contact you don't measure up, then you can say that they don't fit what you're looking for and redirect them to your profile. By focusing on what you want, you'll be much more likely to come across as a nice, normal guy instead of a frustrated, desperate man. You have the right to expect and get what you need to feel fulfilled in a relationship. Use your profile as a weeding tool. It might take a while to find a match, but won't he be worth the wait? Also, check out your local community...and not necessarily the local SM bar scene. Master Fire

Archer -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 6:34:29 AM)
You are making some valid points, you're not hopeless, a few small things that you cover may be perceptions that are working against you, but many of your concerns are keeping you safe and alive, and sane. I'm one a a very few heteros who claim the Leather Identity, but I'm also one of those who uses my girl in demos, attends conferences and runs, etc The girl shares me with the community in some areas as I share her with the community in some areas. (non sexual) We both work hard at helping the community in some ways. Fund Raising, Charity work, Education, those things we share. Tough to find a Master/Daddy who cares about the community building more good Masters and Daddy's, who is not going to be actively involved in helping to create a community who can create them. Community involvement is a good thing in my mind, it can be overdone, it can be done poorly, and it can be done in ways that hurt the relationship, but it doesn't have to be done in those ways. A healthy involvement in the community can help many relationships. There are many very good points you have made in your post. Point #1 other than the demo thing I have no disagreement with your concerns. Point #2 Not sure how that happens either can't fault you a bit for expecting that they have their own life in order before trying to set yours right. Point #3 I get that physical appearance makes a big difference for you, and healthy living/ lifestyle should be a huge priority for you considering your HIV status. Not sure if you're not just a tad over the top expeting them to be in perfect shape. Just the view I get from your post not nessisarily what you ment to put forth. Point #4 Certainly perfectly valid and I'm sorry that you are running into only those who have such a shallow understanding of what Dominance/ Mastery/ being a Daddy is all about. Point #5 Certainly perfectly reasonable to expect competency in their skill sets. Some of the problems you cite I have found far fewer of those that have the problems actually at the events you want to have wait till later. People who go to these events tend to have a bit of disposable income maybe not all of them are out of the trailers but possibly more than you find a the bars. The events are usually full of classes that teach competencies in various skills so you'll find folks interested in learning their skills for work/play. and the events tend to expose those folks who's understanding of Mastery is shallow so many of those that are shallow tend to avoid them or be shunned away from them because folks figure out quickly who they are. Events are not the be all end all and not attending any of them does not mean someone is not going to be perfectly worthy of anything. But the events can be a good place to meet folks who are interested in Education of themselves and others. They can serve as ways to network with other Leathermen and help you find an appropriate Daddy/ Master for you. They do not guarantee anything but exposure, but that exposure may be just the thing you need. I wish you nothing but the best in your search Houdini. boys deserve good caring Daddies who can help them grow. In Leather Archer

chellekitty -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 7:36:03 AM)
i was going to write out a response last night, but due to a personal crisis i was unable to. Thankfully MasterFire and Archer have covered the points i wanted to cover on both a personal and a community level, so i do not have to. Thanks to you both. To the OP, please read what they have written, it is very good advice. Though i have not met many monagomous Leather Daddies, i have not met many that are sexually indiscriminate either. Most i have met have been in closed poly situations where the only sex, and sometimes the only bdsm activities went on inside the family, usually between Daddy and the boys. The only exception being for demonstrations, as Archer mentioned, and if you are not comfortable with that, i am sure it is negotiable. Good luck in your search, chelle...who is stuck worrying about her Daddy, 1,700 mi away...

HOUDINI1961 -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 7:37:07 AM)
Wow, what a nice reply! And not just because you agreed with most things i said. In fact the other replies i got were also nice. I guess i thought i would be put down and razzed more. i never really looked at leather events that way as a network to find what i was looking for. i guess because numerous leather men have told me that even IML- International Mr. Leather is turning/has turned into a leather circuit party, where the more serious leathermen has been replaced with guys who look hot in leather but have no understanding of what it is about. And having only been to a few leather events and not any recently, i assumed they were more about hooking up and having sex, as in many ads on Slave4Master.com read. Sorry if it sounded like i was looking for a Daddy/MASTER with a perfect body, i'm not. it's more how they carry themselves. i've seen big guys at Home Depot that i would have gladly got down on my knees in the middle of the aisle and licked their boots! they just had this "vibe" about them. A friend of mine was funny and pointed out, "hey, you get off on being humiliated, what better way than to lick the sweat off of very overweight men!" I guess i envision me and Daddy/MASTER working out together, with him pushing me in the gym, me wearing my locked on chain around my neck to show everyone what we were. Having them figuring out that bulge in my gym shorts was a chastity device Daddy/MASTER locked on me. Having Daddy/MASTER tie me up when we got home and give me a testosterone shot in my butt. oh well, i thank you Sir, once again for your reply and advice.

erasmic -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!!!! (11/2/2007 7:47:15 AM)
i'm finally coming out of the leather closet at 45 and after having "scenes" most of my life, now trying to find a bondage Daddy or MASTER. Problem #1 Why do the real ones into the scene always want sex parties, multiple partners, use the boy in demos, suck his friends off, etc. etc. i want one freakin' Daddy or MASTER not to sleep with the whole city! Leathermen don't seem to even try for monogamy, it's like a free-for-all. it takes me a LONG time to trust someone after bad experiences i've had and i find it hard to get to know someone when they go out 3 times a week, either to the bars or a leather club, etc. like they always have to roam in packs or something. Problem#2 sure to piss people off. If i meet one more "real" leather guy who lives in a trailer park, drives a shitty car, has a drug addiction or alcohol problem and a crappy job, i think i will scream! why does this kink world attract those lower on the totem pole. don't get me wrong i'm 45 years old, no spring chicken plus hiv to boot. i'm no prize but how can i respect a MASTER who is worse off than i am. How is he supposed to own me and run my life when his own life is a freakin' mess? Problem #3 sure to piss MASTERS/Daddies off i am 45, hiv but damn i try to hold it together, eat right, don't smoke, workout, turn lots of heads for being an old fart, lol! How can i respect a MASTER, for when i look up at him from kneeling at his feet, all i see is his layers of fat? How can i respect someone who eats crap, doesn't exercise, gets drunk every week,etc. How can i trust a MASTER to TPE and to own me mind, body and soul and to run and manage my life when he can't even manage his own waistline??? For a relationship such a MASTER/slave to work for me, i honestly with my whole heart have to believe he IS BETTER than me in all aspects....intelligence, physical prowess, successful career, etc. And believe me, i am not some stuckup snob who lives to shop in the malls. i grew up middle class and here i stay. i need a MASTER or Daddy so bad. i fought the feelings for years but now my new motto is "time to put up or shut up". i am NOT looking for perfection but give me a break. i don't want to share you with the leather community, i think your slave or boy should be more important than going to leather contests and functions. Once the relationship is established and going strong then branching out is more appropriate. i believe so anyway. Problem #4 Why do leathermen think they are MASTERS because they swear at me, call me "faggot", "pussy", etc. that does nothing for my confidence in them. i want one to get really deep inside my head and own it, make me want things i never wanted and to crave those things and to please. That takes smarts and getting into someones head not throwing a bunch of verbal insults around. If that's all it takes than i can be a MASTER too! Problem#5 Because i am looking for a "bondage" Daddy or MASTER for TPE and heavy control i get the guys who find me attractive who know nothing about bondage saying "oh, yea, i'll tie you up". and 2 seconds later the hands are turning blue from handcuffs(my own) being on too tight. so now when i ask a MASTER what kind of bondage equipment he has, and he says a pair of handcuffs and some rope, i know to move on. And when i do, they get pissed and tell me i'm a fake slave or boy. i'm supposed to worship the ground they walk on because they "say" they are a Master. like i said, i need more proof than name calling and a pair of handcuffs. Soooooo, am i hopeless? do i make any good points? or am i missing the boat?am i doomed to being alone and tying myself up for the rest of my life? am i supposed to jerk off to fantasies and photos online forever? After my last vanilla relationship ended(he dumped me), i vowed to never have someone vanilla again. Oh, why did he break up with me? i was addicted to leather, kink, etc. Yea, no DUHHHH! i really loved him, we'd lie in bed and i'd wish he would tie me up, wish he would control me but instead what did i get....a mind-blowing blowjob!!! haha! i want a MASTER that will make me cry, not from pain but from feeling bad when i knew i disappointed him or screwed up. one that will make me cry when i miss him so much when we are apart. one that will make me cry because i am so god-damn happy i could burst! one that will make me cry because my whole soul is beaming yet is totally controlled by him. Oh well i have more to say, but getting tired so the rest of my rants will have to wait..... I have pasted your proposition here to illustrate one of your problems - too many words ! Keep it simple man, no wonder that they want you to suck etc clearly so they can get a bit of quiet E

chellekitty -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 7:48:41 AM)
pssssst girls don't have cooties...

Rover -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 7:58:32 AM)
One of the benefits of thinking how to respond to some threads is that, sooner or later, someone else will say it for you. Nice job LA, MFM, Archer and Chelle. Though that doesn't mean I don't have anything to add. :) quote: ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961 i never really looked at leather events that way as a network to find what i was looking for. Lots of folks don't look at BDSM (or Leather) events that way. But what better venue to find folks who have a legitimate interest beyond simply "me Tarzan, you Jane (or James)"? Events have value on many levels. quote: i guess because numerous leather men have told me that even IML- International Mr. Leather is turning/has turned into a leather circuit party, where the more serious leathermen has been replaced with guys who look hot in leather but have no understanding of what it is about. There's no doubt that those folks are at every event, and there's nothing wrong with the fact that they pursue their leather fetish, or fetish wear fetish. It's not a certainty that everyone who attends is there for the same reasons that interest you, but let's face it, the probability is considerably greater than many other venues (including the internet). quote: And having only been to a few leather events and not any recently, i assumed they were more about hooking up and having sex, as in many ads on Slave4Master.com read. You're judging the events based upon what you see in an online website. Let's keep in mind that much of what we see online isn't very representative of real time. quote: Sorry if it sounded like i was looking for a Daddy/MASTER with a perfect body, i'm not. it's more how they carry themselves. i've seen big guys at Home Depot that i would have gladly got down on my knees in the middle of the aisle and licked their boots! they just had this "vibe" about them. Chemistry is an interesting phenomena. quote: A friend of mine was funny and pointed out, "hey, you get off on being humiliated, what better way than to lick the sweat off of very overweight men!" There's humiliating, and then there's .... licking the sweat off of very overweight men. quote: I guess i envision me and Daddy/MASTER working out together, with him pushing me in the gym, me wearing my locked on chain around my neck to show everyone what we were. Having them figuring out that bulge in my gym shorts was a chastity device Daddy/MASTER locked on me. Having Daddy/MASTER tie me up when we got home and give me a testosterone shot in my butt. Ok, now here's something of substance... your fantasies and expectations of a Daddy/Master relationship and their relationship to reality. Is the scene you described possible? Sure, it's even probable with a compatible partner. But does that constitute a relationship? Nope, not in the least. Don't base your relationship expectations on your fantasies and scenes. Reality can never live up to that. Just a thought, but maybe you might want to be looking at the local gym. Or online looking for a Leatherman workout partner. John

GhitaAmati -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 7:59:44 AM)
LMAO chelle, stop trying to convert the guy. Houdini, I did write you a short email on the CollarMe side of this site last night. I hope it was at least slightly cohearent as it was 2am and I had taken a dose of NyQuil. If it wasnt understandable then basically I was trying to say exactly what Archer said, He just talks better than I do. ghita~

chellekitty -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 8:04:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati LMAO chelle, stop trying to convert the guy. i wasn't trying to convert him...i was trying to nip something in the bud that i see happen way too often for comfort...gay men that act like i (and all other women) don't exist becuase i have pink bits instead of dangly bits...the only reason i said what i said is because he did not respond to any of the other people that responded to him, but gave a very specific reponse to Archer...now, i may be reading too much into it...but that, in my experience, is indicative of a gay man that will be dismissive of women just because they are women...sorry...but its true... chelle

Archer -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 8:07:40 AM)
but you're way prettier than I am Ghita, LOL. Houdini events can be a nightmare if you let yourself get drawn off track. Some of them have become circut parties, no doubt can't deny it. But if you go with the goal of attending classes, discussing issues that mean something to you. and networking to find Leathermen who view life the same or similar to yourself, and stick to that goal, then you'll have a great time even if you don't meet Mr Benson, you'll come away with freinds who hold the same view and you can network from there. Hope to see you at some events. You just missed us at the Tampa event last weekend. In Leather Archer

HOUDINI1961 -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 8:52:26 AM)
ohhhh noooooooo, i'm not dissing any females. my comment was actually a comment on the last few responses, im new to the forum so i don't reply after every comment. sorry if you were offended.

HOUDINI1961 -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 9:06:19 AM)
oh, there actually is a leather event coming up in november here. the leather masked ball, something like that. the Daddy i just met wants me to go to it and already i'm freakin' because all his leather buddies/family/club members will be there and i'm going to feel out of place and nervous. that's actually why i decided to post in the first place, because this guy was referred to me and came from a leather family out of state and is a member of a club here and has leather friends. thats why i thought the leather family, etc. thing was rare, but now i see that it isn't. i seem to be the one out of touch with things. so i guess im trying to reason, if i want this leather Daddy, provided he wants me of course, i guess i will have to deal with his ties to the leather community and the time he spends with them vs. the time i'd rather spend with him bound up and under his control. i guess it would help if i was an exhibitionist. im really not even though my videos on youtube might give that impression. it's easy making a video when there is no one else in the room! i only met one of his leather friends so far and it turned out he was a guy i talked to on yahoo months ago, who was such an angry butthead. he swore at me up and down because i wouldn't go over and worship him. sorry but when you meet a prospective partners friend for the first time(he didn't know it was me he talked to on yahoo) and he is unfriendly, gives you attitude and talks about all the "f ' in" boys he has had in his sling, i'm not really impressed so far with the Daddy's choice of comrades. this makes me even more hesitate about going to this leather ball.

Rover -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 9:12:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HOUDINI1961 i guess it would help if i was an exhibitionist. im really not even though my videos on youtube might give that impression. No offense, but I shot copious amounts of coffee through my nostrils reading this. John

TwistedLady -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 9:24:59 AM)
I'm truly sorry that you're having issues finding someone who fits your preferences. I'm not a "leatherman". However, I'm slightly offended by one point of your post. You point out that most of these "leathermen" live in trailor parks and don't have their lives together. Look, not everyone is as well off as you are. Not everyone could go to college or land a great job and live in a middle class lifestyle. Just because there are poor people in this world does -not- mean that they are any less of a human than you are. Simply because I am a single mother struggling to raise two little ones alone does not mean that you are better than I am. Now, I might be taking what you said out of context, but I think it still applies. Being lower on the financial "totem pole" does not equate a bad person. Not everyone who has to live a poorer life is in jail every month or envelopes themselves in the use of drugs. My advice to you is to try to see past financial matters and look at who the person is, how he lives his life, and how he would treat you. That point alone might be part of your problem. As for the point you made about his not being able to control you if he cannot control his own life in regard to his financial state, that's so far off it's funny. What does a person's financial state have to do with their ability to be in control. I personally run my own household to the best of my ability and rather well. Yet, I am not well off. We live in a small appartment and struggle to pay bills. We don't have the extra money for me to run off and buy expensive bondage equipment on a whim. Wanna know what I think? I think you're being entirely too materialistic. As for your issues with them being overweight, I won't argue with that. I'm overweight myself, however, I am currently working my ass off to correct that. Am I some huge slob who does nothing all day aside from being a couch potatoe? Not by a long shot. In other words, you're doing nothing but judging these men based on a materialistic viewpoint you currently have. I feel more sympathy for them than you. Edit: This is in response to the OP. I can never figure out how to get that right.

GhitaAmati -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 9:30:12 AM)
Twisted Lady, I didnt read it that way, so I dont know. I didnt see it as being materialistic, and in no way derogatory towards those that live in trailers. There is a big difference between a person who lives in a trailer, and a person who lives like trailer trash. And I have a feeling Houdini was reffering to the second. You are definantly correct that the balance of a persons checking account does not represent the value of their personality, but I do feel that the way in which a person manages the money they do have does.

TwistedLady -> RE: Why do leather Masters/Daddies always want multiple partners? & more questions sure to upset!!!! (11/2/2007 9:34:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati Twisted Lady, I didnt read it that way, so I dont know. I didnt see it as being materialistic, and in no way derogatory towards those that live in trailers. There is a big difference between a person who lives in a trailer, and a person who lives like trailer trash. And I have a feeling Houdini was reffering to the second. You are definantly correct that the balance of a persons checking account does not represent the value of their personality, but I do feel that the way in which a person manages the money they do have does. You might be right. If he meant those who live as trailor trash, I'll gladly apologize. I also agree that the way a person manages their money and how they live their lives with what they have at their disposal does reflect on their personality.

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