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Aneirin -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 6:39:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: petdave quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin So fireworks being what they are, a chemical cocktail, the different effects, displays etc, how are they produced, what is introduced into the 'formula' to make a fire work do something different. Thoughts about some might be magnesium, but I am no chemist. A wide variety of things. Copper and cobalt for blue flame, magnesium for brilliant whites, iron for sparkles, barium for green... The list goes on. Old-fashioned black powder is actually not very common in fireworks anymore... they use a composition known as flash powder, which combines a very finely ground aluminum (aluminium, to you [:D]) with an oxidizer such as potassium or ammonium perchlorate. If you look at unitednuclear.com, they offer a wide variety of chemicals used to generate different pyrotechnic effects... Modern fireworks are fairly complex chemically, and i would be quite impressed with any layman who could speak knowledgeably about the environmental results. And i would say that the bonfires on one night in a geographically small, industrialized nation are of zero environmental consequence compared to those used daily across the non-industrialized world for all purposes, not to mention the slash & burn clearing of South American rain forests for agriculture. Honestly, i'm just surprised that the Queen still lets y'all play with fireworks! It's not the queen to worry about, but the goverment in its eternal quest to disarme,control and wrap us all in cotton wool.

Owner59 -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 6:46:19 AM)
Unless you`re burning fossil fuel,whatever you burn,whether it be fireworks,wood in stoves,bio-fuels,etc.,ads no additional carbon the atmosphere. The carbon in wood,plants,and other natural materials like that,take that carbon out of the air/soil as they grow.When burned,that carbon is just put back in the environment.A zero sum equation,and zero impact,in terms of carbon deposit. The carbon in fossil fuel,is not part of our present atmosphere,being stored away millions of years ago.It`s the burning ,and the deposit of that ancient carbon into our present day atmosphere,that is what is causing the increase in the ratio of carbon, to other gases,in our air.

InkedMaster -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 7:01:36 AM)
one bonfire... one bottle of boonesfarm strawberry hill... drink entire bottle... refill with gasoline drained from tank of harley... screw cap back on boonsfarm bottle and harley... set in bonfire and sit back and wait for the show to begin... sidenote...make sure no foliage approx 60 to 80 feet above bottle... enjoy...

Aneirin -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 7:07:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InkedMaster one bonfire... one bottle of boonesfarm strawberry hill... drink entire bottle... refill with gasoline drained from tank of harley... screw cap back on boonsfarm bottle and harley... set in bonfire and sit back and wait for the show to begin... sidenote...make sure no foliage approx 60 to 80 feet above bottle... enjoy... An interesting idea, but what about the harley, where do you put that, you never mentioned

Gwynvyd -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 7:21:49 AM)
We are having a dinner ( Curry my specialty ) and bonfire night at my house here on Monday [sm=smile.gif] My sweetie hasnt seen V for Vendetta yet.. and what a better movie to watch then on Nov 5th? He almost had a heart attack when I asked him what he was doing for Guy Fawkes day... I think he keeps on forgetting who he is dealing with. chuckles Gwyn

InkedMaster -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 7:23:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin An interesting idea, but what about the harley, where do you put that, you never mentioned My bad, sorry...if it's a sportster set in bonfire next to bottle, the melted cases make for pretty wall deco the next morning!

RealityLicks -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 7:33:36 AM)
What is boonsfarm? Don't think we have that here.

Owner59 -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 7:51:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks What is boonsfarm? Don't think we have that here. Boonsfarm Strawberry Wine. Is that really still around? Man,..brings me back....

KatyLied -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 8:02:52 AM)
quote: Man,..brings me back.... hehe, any mention of Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill takes me back to my senior high class trip to D.C, some of my classmates were of legal age to buy booze, fun times!

TheHeretic -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 8:28:30 AM)
Stawberry Hill was a bit too sweet, but a bota bag filled with Apple Kwencher (sp?) came along for many walks to where the party was. I watched most of V for Vendetta last night. She has such a beautiful scream.

beeble -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 10:30:20 AM)
quote: Politesub53 wrote: A celebration of fireworks and burning an effigy of the main conspirator to overthrow parleiment is hardly " burn a Catholic " night now is it ! Well, it's sort of burn-a-very-specific-Catholic night, rather than burn-the-first-Catholic-you-can-get-your-hands-on night.

beeble -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 10:35:00 AM)
quote: Rule wrote: Nitrogen gas and carbon monoxide/dioxide do not smell. When fireworks explode there is always the stench of gun powder, so there is always some nitrate that is not combusted in the explosions. Potassium nitrate doesn't smell, either, does it? Why do you assume that the smell has to come from the nitrates rather that the sulphur? (And, hey, petdave tells us that it's not even gunpowder, anyway.)

meatcleaver -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 10:45:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beeble quote: Politesub53 wrote: A celebration of fireworks and burning an effigy of the main conspirator to overthrow parleiment is hardly " burn a Catholic " night now is it ! Well, it's sort of burn-a-very-specific-Catholic night, rather than burn-the-first-Catholic-you-can-get-your-hands-on night. The Catholic conspirators tried to blow up a monarch that was sympathetic towards them and tolerated Catholism and crypto-Catholism at court. The catholic gentry rather shot themselves in the foot and then tried to stir a revolt in the midlands which ended up in a shoot out that would have made Hollywood proud. Poor Guy and the others that got caught alive merely faced what any act of treason would have faced in those times. I never noticed any of the Catholic kids on the street I grew up complain about burning a Catholic, they joined in with the fun with everyone else, no one really caring about the origins over much. However, in this day and age of PC, the PC brigade will stir up all sorts of trouble to prove they are more tolerant than anyone else.

Lucylastic -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 10:54:26 AM)
OH I loved guy fawkes night, happy memories of building a "guy" making him look really evil, puttin him in an old pram and standin on the street corner holding out grumps old flat cap and asking everyone that went past, "penny for the guy?" The smell o f the fireworks, , we never did anything naughty tho.... nah too sweet and innocent. For years we had fireworks in the garden, then we used to go to the big display down at the local park, walk for miles and when ya got home ....baked taters yes running with butter and marmite plus a bit of cheese, yummmy.. Of course now its called dangerous and begging, or extortion..lol but back in those days it was better for us than halloweeen. We have fireworks here for different reasons now, but I still love em. Lucy

Marc2b -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 11:18:53 AM)
A bonfire is never a waste of wood if the people around it are having a good time. I’ve long considered a roaring bonfire, the company of good friends, and a few bottles of wine (and don’t forget the S’mores!) to be one of the best things in life. Let’s concentrate on cleaning up our industry – stopping people from having a good time will not save the earth. That same message applies to all of you out there who want to ban real Christmas trees. [:'(], I say. Guy Fawks day sounds like a lot of fun and V for Vendetta is one of my favorite movies. Boone’s Farm Stwarberry Hill... responsible for my first ever hangover.

popeye1250 -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 11:42:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 RealityLicks.... A celebration of fireworks and burning an effigy of the main conspirator to overthrow parleiment is hardly " burn a Catholic " night now is it ! You know, i suspect many Catholics enjoyed a fireworks party or two this weekend as well. Sub53, funny, two neighbors had the celebration in their backyards of about 10 acres, fire and police permits gotten a week ago. And the fireworks were LOUD! One of the neighbors is from Leister (SP?) England and the other is a retired Corrections Officer from Connecticut and comes from a "very" Irish family (Costello). Lots of people there visiting from England last night! Some Catholic, some Anglican and a good time was had by all! It was funny to see some of the English people interacting with some of the "Rednecks" here. Some of them got invited to go deer hunting!

Politesub53 -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 2:05:34 PM)
Popeye i spent part of the last three summers in the southern states..... I loved it there, except for the mosquitos and fire ants.... They seemed to like fresh blood !!

Raechard -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 2:13:02 PM)
Ahh Penny for the guy. These days that would be more like I-Pod for the guy if not we’ll shove a knife in your face and rob you.[:D]

Aneirin -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 4:24:41 PM)
As a child, I used to love bonfire night, all us kids used to collect the wood for the fire, it was usually discarded particle board kitchen furniture and old fences. We used to do the neighbourhood a service collecting the garden waste for the fire, old rotten doors and branches kept for us by gardeners. We used to roast spuds wrapped in alluminium at the fire's edge. The 'Guy' an effigy made to look like a tramp was at the centre of the fire and everyone waited for the guy to topple before they left the fire. When 'he' did topple into the flames everyone cheered. Other delicacies eaten that night were toffee apples, treacle toffee sweets and hot pot covered in red cabbage. Fireworks, they do not feature largely in my memories, it was a poor area and most were content with just the fire, although there was some, now and again. But if we wanted the fireworks, then we would go to the big organised events. I made the post asking the question because I was unsure of the effects of that celebration on our atmosphere. I was just wondering how long it would be before someone cottoned on to the possible pollution and so lobbied to ban it in the vain thought they are doing their bit to save the planet and stuff everyone else's fun.We are not important it would seem with the constant curtailing of all our interests. I love tradition and ritual and want to discover and rekindle more of what we have lost as I feel traditions and celebrations are good for people. Even the old festivals that marked the turning of the wheel of the year was something to be looked forward to, One did not mind the hard work and slaving on the land when there was a festival looming where everyone could celebrate the fruits of their labours.

luckydog1 -> RE: Thoughts on Bonfire night and the enviroment. (11/4/2007 6:29:57 PM)
People didn't mind slaving on the land????

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