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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 11:36:04 AM   
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....are there any figures on the homeless in the USA that stand the FHKY test?


Very few, actually.

The issue of "homelessness" in America is one of those issues that has almost a perfect inverse relationship to which administration is in office, versus the amount of coverage it gets.

In other words, regardless of the "actual" number and composition of the homeless, the amount of press given to the "homeless issue" is about 5x (swag) higher during any Republican Administrations than it is during any Democratic Administration.

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That is complete and utter bullshit.

what seperatists crap is this?

In the 90's and early 2000 all I saw was article after article on the homeless, and the epidemic. Hell thats why I got involved. Since this administration I have heard zip. Hell we had a mortgage bust, where more foreclosures happened then ever before in such a short period of time. http://www.nedap.org/pressroom/documents/04-12-07CanarsieDigest.pdf 
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/30/mortgage_bust_ground_zero.asp
http://media.progressnowaction.org/clips/national-news/housing-and-homeless-1/

Do you hear about the homeless every week on the news? No. But you bet your ass they are there. My church clothes, feeds, and supports many orgs in the area that cares for them.

The dropping number of homeless in 2006 is great, I had not read that when I posted this.. It was prob due to the subprime loan market, and moving in with those realitives. I dread seeing what the numbers are going to be when the reports for 2008 and 2009 come out. after all of those foreclosures hit. http://www.realtytrac.com/news/press/pressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=112

what you all are missing is the point.. not how many.. not let me read the print out and I'll determine if it's worthy of my attention..

The fact that we have *ANY* service men and women who are not being taken care of and provided for irks me. And it should you too.

I think latching onto the whole " well this group or that wants you to think this or that.. or I want the charted numbers" is just a way of disconnecting yourself from the issue as most everyone does when it comes to the homeless of any type.

What does it matter if it is 250,000 or 450,000 or even 680,000 homeless vets? It is simply not acceptable at any level.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 1:24:24 PM   
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and if that dont get ya, you will die young from depleted uranium poisoning/ cancer and produce kids that are mutants from the birth defects of the same.





I always cringe when I run across "movie science" misconceptions.
The specific activity in natural uranium and depleted uranium is quite low.  You will get heavy metal poisoning long before you ever get any effects from internal radiation.  DU is about as toxic as lead but much more dense.  Armor and bullets is a use for the DU after you make enriched uranium to burn in a power plant.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 1:36:13 PM   
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I think latching onto the whole " well this group or that wants you to think this or that.. or I want the charted numbers" is just a way of disconnecting yourself from the issue as most everyone does when it comes to the homeless of any type.



So you've never served in the military, and you want to promote the 'huge numbers of crazy vets roam the streets' stereotype from the sensationalist and elitist media, but those who have actually been in the military and question your hateful stereotype are 'disconnected from the issue', 'on our high horse', and haven't 'made a difference'?

What a load of BS.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 2:01:19 PM   
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....ok, thanks for the answers to my question. My next question is, well, why hasn't there been any research into this issue? Regardless of which party is in power, surely we can all agree that society has a contract with veterans. They go out and get shot at in  our name, and in return we don't forget them.....ever........even if they become homeless...or not......

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 2:05:11 PM   
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What evidence do you have on which to base the supposition that there has been no research on this issue? The fact that there are some veterans who have not led perfect lives? 
Are the police supposed to round them up and warehouse them in 'Veteran's Camps' so they will not be seen in public if they are not well?

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 2:08:20 PM   
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NO...... The United States of America is supposed to take care of them, goddammit!!!!!!!

You take a bridge to far.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 2:17:23 PM   
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I just wonder what portion of homeless are non-veterans…but in the same age group on average. I’ll bet that figure will come down back to near average.

Now this is just me… it is a duty to defend your country… you should not expect any preferential treatment other than respect for doing it.

I don’t believe there is any disrespect or neglect intended by the government. When the scandal came out about the treatment….heads rolled and changes were made. Not perfect but what is.

I think the true reason for any increase in veteran homelessness compared to the general population is the fact that they missed the advanced schooling and family support in getting jobs and homes at that critical age of 18-21.
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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 2:25:11 PM   
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Now this is just me… it is a duty to defend your country… you should not expect any preferential treatment other than respect for doing it.

Butch


I am also a vet, Butch, and defense as is WW2 is one thing, but Iraq is not defense of shit to do with this nation.  Note the great amount of shirking by the elite.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 2:36:41 PM   
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Ron believe me I am not for that damn war and never was... I am for our boys and girls in uniform... but I just think it is a duty and they are doing a great job god bless ...I do feel for them ... I am a Vietnam vet... no respect from many my own age anyway. But I never asked or expected anything for serving.

But if there is a real problem related to their service then I hope they get the help they need. There will always be mental health problems during wartime… and those men and women will have problems. I think they are getting help but some illnesses as we know cannot be cured easily.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 3:34:27 PM   
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....ok, thanks for the answers to my question. My next question is, well, why hasn't there been any research into this issue? Regardless of which party is in power, surely we can all agree that society has a contract with veterans. They go out and get shot at in  our name, and in return we don't forget them.....ever........even if they become homeless...or not......


Phil, I agree.
I'm also a Vietnam era veteran (I wasn't "in-country") so I'm older but a lot of guys my age had a lot of adjustment problems after that war.
I just can't see any veteran being homeless, hungry, jobless or anything else in this country.
Bush doesn't seem to have a problem with requesting an additional $60B for this Iraq occupation but we have homeless veterans in this country?
It's TOTALLY unacceptable!
And thanks to Bush we're going to have to be spending a lot more on veterans but, raise my taxes for that!

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 3:38:57 PM   
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Service related illness and injury should be covered in taking care of vets, but repeatedly those in power have refused to even consider gulf war disease and it took Ross Peroe to fund research to prove it was real. 

Medical services once covered at VA hospitals have been cut and many doctors employed at VA hospitals have had problems of malpractice and questionable situations.  This is from a report on tv by nightline or somebody, done years ago.

I know personally vets that are not getting benefits promised, many who have to fight to get disabilty of 100% and are given 50 % or 75% disabilty on a 100 % service related problem.  Hell, they didn't admit agent orange even after many died and these people had to fight to get any assistance all the while their bodies were being riddled with tumor and cancer.

The US has a history of not taking care of it's defenders.  Kind of sickening.

I don't expect that once a soldier... we give them the world and a life of ease... but we can at least see to it that true sufferers from service to our nation, get some helps and decent treatment without the drama and truma.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 4:42:19 PM   
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1 in 4 is a big number.  Here are some more big numbers, regarding our military veterans. 
 
(Source: U.S. Census Bureau | Public Information Office | Last Revised: August 09, 2007)
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/005696.html
 
24.5 million
The number of military veterans in the United States.
(From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
1.7 million
The number of veterans who are women.
(From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
9.5 million
The number of veterans who are age 65 or older.
(From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
2.3 million
The number of black veterans. Additionally, 1.1 million veterans are Hispanic; 276,000 are Asian; 185,000 are American Indian or Alaska native; and 25,000 are native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander. (From the AmericanFactFinder.)
8.2 million
Number of Vietnam-era veterans. More than 30 percent of all veterans served in Vietnam, the largest share of any period of service. The next largest share of wartime veterans, 3.9 million or fewer than 20 percent, served during World War II.
(From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
16%
Percentage of Persian Gulf War veterans who are women. In contrast, women account for 5 percent of World War II vets, 3 percent of Vietnam vets and 2 percent of Korean War vets. (From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
432,000
Number of veterans who served during both the Vietnam era and in the Gulf War.

6
Number of states with 1 million or more veterans. These states are California (2.3 million), Florida (1.8 million), Texas (1.7 million), New York (1.2 million), Pennsylvania (1.1 million) and Ohio (1.1 million).
(From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
$22.4 Billion
Aggregate amount of money received annually by the 2.6 million veterans receiving compensation for service-connected disabilities. (This isn't counting the nonservice-connected pensions recieved by veterans, like me.)
(From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
$59.6 Billion
Total amount of federal government spending for veterans benefits programs in fiscal year 2004. (From the upcoming Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2006.)
 
Now, for my personal view, as an Army veteran (1974-1987), i have known a fair amount of soldiers and some sailors, many of whom served honorably in an ugly war, called "Vietnam" and none of them were fucked-up.  They were good men and good soldiers and they returned to civilian life and got good jobs, some with the government but, most in the private sector, and they own their homes and they are married and have kids and live good lives. 
 
That's not to say that there aren't some who came back messed-up but, they aren't the majority.  The military is made up of a cross-section of our country, mostly middle and lower-middle class, and in that cross-section there is going to be a percentage that are either already a little messed-up or prone to becoming messed-up at some point in their lives, just as there are in any other cross-section of our population.  Some in the military are already or, are prone to becoming, alcoholics or drug abusers, just as is the case in any workplace.
 
Additionally, i have been served by several VA hospitals and clinics from Georgia to Vermont and i have had the better medical and mental health care through the VA than i ever had in any civilian medical facility.  The VA saved my life, when i was at my lowest point and, not because of anything service-connected, either.  It was because a drunk driver passed-out and crashed into me, as i rode my bicycle into the parking lot of my little girl's day care center at 9:00am on a Monday morning.  The civilian trauma center patched-up my body and kept me alive, physically but, no one ever checked on any emotional trauma i might have suffered.  It was the VA that did that and they gave me the help that i needed to get my life back to something close to a 'normal' state, so that i could be close to fully functioning again.  They have provided me with so much help, physically, emotionally, financially, and they provide me with state-of-the-art prosthetic legs, free of charge, which i could never afford on my own or be able to get through Medicaid. 
 
So, when i see news reports, such as the one that ABC's 20/20 did a year or two ago, that totally bash the VA health care system, it bothers me very much.  In fact, it sickens me, it is so biased.  i don't know of any civilian equivalent system that does as good a job for so many people as the VA does.  There are also Veteran's Outreach Centers in every large city and in a lot of smaller communities that provide counseling, job assistance, housing assistance, clothing assistance, transportation, and meals to any veteran, free of charge.  The people who are living on the streets, by and large, are doing so because they haven't taken the steps necessary to get the assistance that's available to them or, they aren't able to stay with the program assisting them in getting off the street.  So, please don't blame the military, the VA or, the government for their plight.  A lot of them have been in and out of care, repeatedly, and there is only so much that can be done to help them. 
 
Finally, it's wonderful to feel concerned about the homeless, whether they are former military or not.  And, there are many ways to offer assistance to the many groups and centers that are there to help them.  Most of them will accept donations and also volunteers.  If you don't know where any are in your community or, nearby, you can usually find out pretty easily.  Most counties have some sort of social services office and they are usually aware of the local homeless centers and other charity groups in the surrounding area.  Talking about the problem and making people aware of the problem is a good thing but, getting out there and helping by donating time, clothes, food, or money, is also a good thing to do.

Heres another government resource available to help veterans with housing needs:
HUD Veteran Resource Center (HUDVET) http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/about/hudvet/
This directory is designed to increase your knowledge of and participation in the wide variety of HUD homeless assistance programs and services for veterans and other individuals who are homeless or at risk of becoming homeless.
 
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1 in 4 Homeless are Vets

This is just shameful. We should be supporting our Vets of all wars.


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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 5:35:28 PM   
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Rather than joining in on the discussion and debate over opinions about homeless veterans, I thought I would instead post links to various programs and informational data.  Like others, I am prone to dismiss a basic article on its own merit – I want to see actual data.  Now that I have seen data, I thought I would share it.  Enjoy:



Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program 
http://www.dol.gov/vets/programs/fact/Homeless_veterans_fs04.htm


Grants, Training Programs, and other Information
http://www.dol.gov/vets/programs/hvrp/main.htm


Reintegration Grants – Grantees, Employment Rate, Etc.
http://www.dol.gov/vets/programs/hvrp/2007HVRPGranteesFinalList-sortedbystate.xls


Article from the National Coalition of Homeless Veterans
States an estimated 23% of homeless are veterans, and states the Dept of Veterans Affairs has developed into the Nation’s largest provider of homeless services, reaching about 25% of those in need.  They have partnered with community service providers and together they have reduced the homeless rate by 25% over the last 6 years. 
http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm


Data provided by National Coalition for Homeless Veterans – Number of homeless and VA beds by State:
http://www.nchv.org/page.cfm?id=81


United Veterans of America, Inc. – Veterans Benefits Website
http://unitedveterans.org/benefit_sites.htm


PubMed Central – Journal of General Internal Medicine –

Health Care of Homeless Veterans.  Study conducted by Johns Hopkins, AZ… Hospital Universario de Gran Canaria, Spain… Maricopa County Dept of Public Health, AZ… Center for Research on Healthcare, PA… VA Center for Health Equity Research and Promotion, PA.

Initial page explains the study – what led to it, its methodology, study sites, study population, method of analysis, demographic characteristics, and study results.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1494947



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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 9:15:10 PM   
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From the New York Times,
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08vets.html?_r=1&ref=washington&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Over 11% of those homeless vets are women.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 9:31:57 PM   
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Out of the guys i still keep in contact with not one of them is homeless.  Mark is a state trooper  Brad works in a bank Stitz works in the union and i own a company.  Looks like that 0-4 that are homeless.


Four is not an overwhelming sample size.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 9:32:55 PM   
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Slavegirljoy, good post.
I agree with you about the V.A. they've always been good to me and have taken care of my medical problems (service connected.)
I think that they are overworked, understaffed and underpaid.
They have some very dedicated people working there!
One of the homless shelters I've given money to over the years is The New England Shelter for Homeless Veterans in Boston, Mass.
They have a comprehensive program from feeding and sheltering veterans to healthcare, eye glasses, dental care, pro bono lawyers, job training, transitional housing etc.
And I believe they have programs with local colleges and technical schools for training. I know a few of the vets got themselves squared away and went to 2 year L.P.N. nursing programs.
So they can get a good paying job and rent an apartment or buy a house.
You can check them out on the internet.
They are a "sober" shelter, the guys can't be drinking or drugging while they're in residence. That just causes too many problems.
Every December before Christmastime me and a few other guys would buy 10 turkeys, roast beefs and hams and drop them off to the shelter and they'd invite us in and showed us around.
Noone wants to live in a shelter but if you had to the NESHV would be the place you'd want to be.
Very well organized, security at the doors and roving, (the residents provide security) a clothing room with all kinds of clothing that people and businesses had donated, dental office, eye glass office, councillors offices, a modern well equipped kitchen, freezers and cold box rooms for food storage, another issue room where they'd give the guys toothpase, toothbrushes, shaving cream, any type of personal hygene items, towels etc.
And a couple of big bunk rooms and on the upper floors individual dorm rooms for "permanent" residents who were going to school or waiting for transitional housing.
The U.S. govt. should take a lesson from them on how to run a shelter/ training center.



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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 10:56:43 PM   
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Thank you, popeye.  i know the shelter you speak of.  It is a very large and very well-run facility and it gives a lot of guys the helping hand they need to get back on their feet.  When i was up in the Boston area, looking for a place to call home, i used the VA hospital there and a wonderful woman, who worked in the women veteran's counseling center and gave me so much help, also worked over at the shelter a few days a week.  She was one of the most dedicated and caring professionals i have ever met.  She was instrumental in helping me get through a very difficult time in my life.  And, i know that she is just one of many, in the VA system, who truly care about helping veterans.
 
While i was up there, i visited my old base, Ft. Devens, where i was stationed for a year, while attending the Intel school.  It has been closed down for many years and only a small part of it is being used.  The main gate area has an office/industrial park and the NG is using some of the old school buildings.  Other than that, the place is a ghost town.  The barracks are all still there and, still very usable.  As are most of the other buildings, including the PX, theater, chapel, motor pool, etc.  It was sad to see it empty and not being used.  One thought that i had was why couldn't the government put those buildings to use for homeless veterans, not only to give them housing but, also to teach them trades, such as, building trades, electrical, plumbing, etc.  They could even learn as they renovate the empty buildings there.  It's a good location and the facilities are sitting there, going to waste.  And, i know that Devens isn't the only base that has been closed and left standing, unused and without any redevelopment.  So, why not put these places to some good use and help the guys that need it, at the same time?
 
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Slavegirljoy, good post.
I agree with you about the V.A. they've always been good to me and have taken care of my medical problems (service connected.)
I think that they are overworked, understaffed and underpaid.
They have some very dedicated people working there!
One of the homless shelters I've given money to over the years is The New England Shelter for Homeless Veterans in Boston, Mass.
The U.S. govt. should take a lesson from them on how to run a shelter/ training center.

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 11:15:43 PM   
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  Wasn`t,isn`t homelessness a problem for Vietnam Vets ?

And why are some vets so vulnerable ,and so close to the margin?

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/8/2007 11:52:14 PM   
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Wasn`t,isn`t homelessness a problem for Vietnam Vets ?

And why are some vets so vulnerable ,and so close to the margin?



From my previous post, the following study may answer these questions for you:

PubMed Central – Journal of General Internal Medicine –

Health Care of Homeless Veterans.  Study conducted by Johns Hopkins, AZ… Hospital Universario de Gran Canaria, Spain… Maricopa County Dept of Public Health, AZ… Center for Research on Healthcare, PA… VA Center for Health Equity Research and Promotion, PA.

Initial page explains the study – what led to it, its methodology, study sites, study population, method of analysis, demographic characteristics, and study results.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1494947

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RE: 1 in 4 homeless are a veteran - 11/9/2007 12:27:07 AM   
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Just a quick google brings up a army report saying 1 in 8 troops returning from Iraq suffer from post traumatic stress disorder. Basically, the chances are, that war will fuck with your head.

No doubt there are only veterans with chests full of medals that post on the threads, who have been in the middle of the fiercest action and think troops that suffer PTSD are wimps.

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