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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 8:56:34 PM   
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I think your psychiatrist is probably on the right track, but give it some time to see. Things will unfold and you will be better able to see the truth in time.


oh hell... how good can the advice be if it is Free!!

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 8:56:53 PM   
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Then take the bullshit out of your mouth. She`s right. Saying somebody is "mentally fucked up" and can`t be self-aware because they use therapy is pretty hostile and, in my opinion, downright ignorant.




also... go back to school and learn to read... then come back and actually read what I said... 


Read, and re-read. Still unimpressed.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:00:16 PM   
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............ of course... If she is Mentally fucked up... would she be able to come to a honest sense of self-awareness?


With the right therapy and possibly the right meds, damn near anyone can IF they want to.  Of course, just like the "normal" folks, they can choose to be a pompous ass instead.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:02:23 PM   
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Then take the bullshit out of your mouth. She`s right. Saying somebody is "mentally fucked up" and can`t be self-aware because they use therapy is pretty hostile and, in my opinion, downright ignorant.




also... go back to school and learn to read... then come back and actually read what I said... 


Read, and re-read. Still unimpressed.


mmmmmmm english test then

could you please quote where I actually Said she was Mentally Fucked up... mmmmmmmmmm nope don't believe I actually said that...........

But to make it clear ...

anyone that Is Mentally Fucked Up (Seriously Mentally Ill) is not going to beable to find self-awareness without some serious assistance.

This... (for those that can't read)  Doesn't equate to the fact that people that Do seek professional help are Mentally Fucked Up.......


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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:06:48 PM   
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Then take the bullshit out of your mouth. She`s right. Saying somebody is "mentally fucked up" and can`t be self-aware because they use therapy is pretty hostile and, in my opinion, downright ignorant.




also... go back to school and learn to read... then come back and actually read what I said... 


Read, and re-read. Still unimpressed.


mmmmmmm english test then

could you please quote where I actually Said she was Mentally Fucked up... mmmmmmmmmm nope don't believe I actually said that...........

But to make it clear ...

anyone that Is Mentally Fucked Up (Seriously Mentally Ill) is not going to beable to find self-awareness without some serious assistance.

This... (for those that can't read)  Doesn't equate to the fact that people that Do seek professional help are Mentally Fucked Up.......



Oh, do pardon! I apologize for correctly reading your insinuation, but not your exact accusation. :) Please, feel free to weasel out of it with my full sympathies and regrets for calling you on it.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:07:23 PM   
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............ of course... If she is Mentally fucked up... would she be able to come to a honest sense of self-awareness?


With the right therapy and possibly the right meds, damn near anyone can IF they want to.  Of course, just like the "normal" folks, they can choose to be a pompous ass instead.


Well.. since the Crazy Rabbit was suggest she look to herself  for the answer... I would suggest that this would only be good advice if one is reasonable sound of mind.   She needs to judge that for herself....

But... it's not to often a crazy person says they are crazy.. they usual say they are sane.  Ironcially the crazy person that say they are crazy... are closer to be in sane than the one in denial.    But hell what about us Sane people... mmmmmmm maybe we are all just crazies in denial

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:10:30 PM   
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He dips-
I'm with MadRabbit.

My view is that we have compromisable and uncompromisable WANTS.  For me; my uncompromisable needs are primarily ethic based and social based.  (I can't abide people with no excuse for their bad manners, or aren't touchy feely.)

I would imagine that your phsych sees touching etc as uncompromisable for you.   To deny it is to have the 'Jack in the box' syndrome where you are being self damaging..


I really agree with this line of logic. But, nobody is perfect for somebody 100% all of the time. Does it really bother you enough to break things off?

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few thoughts:

Every human does need a certain amount of physical affection to survive, and ideally thrive. If your relationship with your Master is an otherwise fulfilling one (for now, as you say) then perhaps you can augment the affection that you get from your Master with non-sexual touch, perhaps having regular massage appointments (with legitimate CMTs, not "happy ending" kinds of massages) or acupressure sessions, etc.

I'd suggest discussing the issue with your shrink more, both to help you explore any needs you may not be comfortable examining closely, AND to help you examine your therapist's motivations. I mean no offense by this, but it's possible that your shrink may have unrecognized ulterior motives. It has happened before, and it's not a "normal" issue, but look at the situation closely and make sure you're not being used, accidentally or otherwise. Particularly if your shrink has steered you away from other partners.

If you haven't already, and if you're still concerned about it, discuss the situation (without value judgments) with your Master. Perhaps he may decide that you *do* need more affection and/or contact to thrive, and may take steps to address it.

Anyhoo, best of luck with the situation, and the self-exploration!


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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:12:15 PM   
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Oh, do pardon! I apologize for correctly reading your insinuation, but not your exact accusation. :) Please, feel free to weasel out of it with my full sympathies and regrets for calling you on it.


well.. you rather new here... so.. I will let you off in assuming that I would make insinuations... If I think something is BS.. I will state it up front...  But... of course.. you can't seem to understand the simple logic that a Crazy person will have alittle bit of challenge in doing their own self-awareness with any degree of honesty or success. 

As far as the OP goes... got no opinion of her... one way or the other... she's just a font on the screen....  Is she nuts... mmmmmm I do not know... and actually I don't care.... 

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:15:49 PM   
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OP, there is no one, NO ONE, who can validate your feelings and thoughts and wishes, except for you. A psychiatrist, or anyone else, can only look from the outside, not from the inside where you are.

If you are ok with the way things are, fabulous. If you are not ok with it, fabulous too. It just means either finding a way to deal with it, or letting the relationship go. A chance for growth and understanding.

Humans are capable of great change, especially when the changes are of their choosing. I used to be quite co dependant when I was very young. Circumstances changed, and I could no longer hang on to that person and my co dependance. Therefore, I had to rethink what I was capable of dealing with and what I wasn't. I'm not saying it's always ideal, but it is YOUR choice, whichever way you go.

You don't need your psychiatrist to tell you something is unhealthy for you. He simply gives advice, based on his knowledge and opinion. He isn't living your life. You are. Listen to your quiet self and find your own answer.


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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:19:49 PM   
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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:23:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP, you seem to ask this board questions about this relationship often.  We can't tell you what only you and he know.  If you have a good psychiatrist, they are only mirroring, elaborating and helping you with what you are expressing you feel already.  If you have a bad one, get a good one.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:28:04 PM   
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OP, there is no one, NO ONE, who can validate your feelings and thoughts and wishes, except for you. A psychiatrist, or anyone else, can only look from the outside, not from the inside where you are.


I completely agree with this.... and will add

That even to validate our own feelings and thoughts on significant issues should be done with careful consideration.  Moments of intense emotions and/or stress are not the best times to consider our feelings and/or thoughts to be in a state of great clarity.  It surely is not a time to make life altering decisisons.  Unfortunately... sometimes we have no choice but to do so.. and hopefully we take the step in the right direction in those moments.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:40:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not quite sure what you are asking us, but I will share you my story with shrinks. When I first started in the lifestyle, I was very afraid.   I did not understand what I was feeling.   I basically thought I was nuts. 
I sought counseling through a community service.  She said as long as it is consensual and safe, it was ok.  She kind of liked some of the things I was telling her.  She was very good, and the psycologist was with the church counseling group.  This made it based on my income at the time.
Moving forward to now, I have had a few bumps in the road, and have  to see a real shrink.   I am bipolar level 2 which is the mildest form of it.   He is $150.00 per hour. 
He has no clue about the lifestyle.  I do not want him to be over conserned with something that is not bothering me. 
He handled this last episode I went through.  I can feel it is not over yet. 
The bottom line in my opinion is just that.  A shrink will tell you what you want as long as you are paying for it.  If you are telling him that you seem happier around men who give you more affection, he is probably going to lean that way.
Sometimes, it is best for us to keep our lifestyle practices away from the rest of the community.   I almost had to tell my GYN about my Domme role during my check up after surgery, but I thought fast on my feet.
They are not going to really give you an opinion on something they do not understand.
 
Regards and best of luck to you.
 
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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 9:55:31 PM   
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Well.. since the Crazy Rabbit was suggest she look to herself  for the answer... I would suggest that this would only be good advice if one is reasonable sound of mind.   She needs to judge that for herself....

But... it's not to often a crazy person says they are crazy.. they usual say they are sane.  Ironcially the crazy person that say they are crazy... are closer to be in sane than the one in denial.    But hell what about us Sane people... mmmmmmm maybe we are all just crazies in denial


I'm nuts.  I'm not ashamed of it.  I'll say straight out that I think the crazies who admit it are probably the sanest of the bunch because they know when they need help and how to get it.  They've gotten over the whole "I'm so ashamed of being insane" and just do whatever they have to do to be okay, whether that's meds or singlehandedly supporting a therapist and his 13 children.  I do a little of both.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 10:07:13 PM   
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I'm nuts.  I'm not ashamed of it.


I have a couple of nuts....... does that count?

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 10:10:59 PM   
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I do not pay my shrink. Sometimes I try and offer a nominal sum, but in he basically sees me for free as he finds me an interesting patient.


Yeah, RIGHT. You are totally fascinating, I am sure he is writing a book about you.

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 10:14:34 PM   
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Edited because it became irrelevant. 

I find it strange that he sees you for free. 

Cali


Yes! I was wondering if someone else thought that the doctor who sees the kinky young chick for free might not be giving out some suspect advice? Not that you said that of course, but I am. I think that's dodgy as all hell. It means your relationship is no longer than of professional/client, and has become one of personal interest. Now he's commenting on how your relationship with your master might not be the best for you? My god, I can barely type for all the warning bells here...

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 10:16:02 PM   
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I do not pay my shrink. Sometimes I try and offer a nominal sum, but in he basically sees me for free as he finds me an interesting patient.


Yeah, RIGHT. You are totally fascinating, I am sure he is writing a book about you.


*giggles madly at that*

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RE: My psychiatrist is against the Master. - 11/9/2007 10:20:26 PM   
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I do not pay my shrink. Sometimes I try and offer a nominal sum, but in he basically sees me for free as he finds me an interesting patient.


Yeah, RIGHT. You are totally fascinating, I am sure he is writing a book about you.


Actually, when I went to threrapy for several years my therapist didn't charge me as I couldn't afford it then.  Believe me, there was nothing sexual about it.  Sometimes people just do good things to do good things.  There is also here at least a repayment method from the mental health region for sliding scale or free patients.  It's not much, but I know of quite a few professionals that take patients on that basis. It's actually not as uncommon as you may think for professionals to take on free cases.  I do it, although I'm not a shrink.

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