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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 9:40:13 AM   
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And LaTigresse, my name actually means, at least for my interpretation, the one true master over all these ignorant little fuckers my age calling themselves Doms for sex.

/gasp

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 9:42:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The problem, as I see it anyway, with religious fantatics........is that they are so........fantatical about it!

I honestly don't care what a person believes. They can worship a man living on the moon because it is made of green cheese, for all I care. It is when they try to convince me that I need to believe the same, that they are somehow better, that I am somehow evil, for not believing the same. THAT is when I have a problem.

A religious person will feel it is their constitutional right to spout whatever their beliefs are, whereever and whenever they choose. BUT if you spout off anything that contradicts their belief with even half the conviction and passion, they you are evil and attacking them.

I suppose it is because it threatens the very core of who they are, because it challenges something that cannot be proven. Yet it is something that is so important to them on such a personal level.

All in all, people really need to loosen up.


religion = anything one believes in and or identifies themselves with, especially if they see that as a focus of their life.  i dont believe in much but i do believe they have the right to spout :)


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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 9:51:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheKingofKings

So I was watching this movie Zeitgeist.  And it made me realize something.  Most, if not everything about religion is....well....false.  I would go into detail but it's best if you watch the movie.


My non-Christian religious/spiritual beliefs (not sure why it seems to be assumed that religion = Christianity) were developed through years of soul searching, self analysis, mental and emotional suffering into mental and emotional peace, reading, talking, sharing, receiving, exploring, and extensive journaling and meditation.  I am highly doubtful that all I discovered would be thrown out the window because of what a film writer, director and some actors put together.  What you're saying in the above sentence is a blanket statement about every possible religious faith out there.  Has a film really convinced you that approximately 4,000 different  religions in this world are false and serve no good purpose?

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 10:02:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The problem, as I see it anyway, with religious fantatics........is that they are so........fantatical about it!

I honestly don't care what a person believes. They can worship a man living on the moon because it is made of green cheese, for all I care. It is when they try to convince me that I need to believe the same, that they are somehow better, that I am somehow evil, for not believing the same. THAT is when I have a problem.

A religious person will feel it is their constitutional right to spout whatever their beliefs are, whereever and whenever they choose. BUT if you spout off anything that contradicts their belief with even half the conviction and passion, they you are evil and attacking them.

I suppose it is because it threatens the very core of who they are, because it challenges something that cannot be proven. Yet it is something that is so important to them on such a personal level.

All in all, people really need to loosen up.


LaTigresse, that about sums it up for me too.
Anyone can believe whatever they wish just don't try to push those beliefs on others.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:06:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


A religious person will feel it is their constitutional right to spout whatever their beliefs are, whereever and whenever they choose. BUT if you spout off anything that contradicts their belief with even half the conviction and passion, they you are evil and attacking them.



I would add the word "some" to the above, LT.


Yeah, well, you know me...........living on the edge.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:11:28 PM   
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Yeah.  Religion's made up.  But good luck telling kids that Santa isn't real.  Particularly when Santa's going to offer them eternal life if they're good.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:14:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheKingofKings

And LaTigresse, my name actually means, at least for my interpretation, the one true master over all these ignorant little fuckers my age calling themselves Doms for sex.


Can you say megalomania and delusion?

I felt the same when I watched Bambi. Specifically when Bambi's mother was killed. I came to the realisation that deer are delicious.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:17:39 PM   
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You came to this enormous conclusion after simply watching a movie?


Well, life IS like a box of chocolates...

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:19:09 PM   
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I pity the op, because he's basing his beliefs on a known piece of fiction, to wit, a movie. Scary how some people latch onto anything to be a raft in frightening waters.

And Jews don't believe in zombies, btw. Golems were made of clay, not reanimated dead people.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:22:32 PM   
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Oh, bah.  You can make golems out of just about anything.  Clay, fire, iron, and blood golems are some of the most common in religious mythology.  (Blood golems are almost zombie-like in some ways.)

I've seen a parody in which a particular wizard raised "crap golems" from the waste of the army he was assigned to.  Heh, he said he'd get a legion of them from the material that the leaders provided alone- they're full of crap, apparently.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 4:51:13 PM   
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Well,

When I joined this group, I did not expect for my religion to be bashed. If you do not like religion, stay out of it.
I have heard my Lord referred to as many things, but never before have I heard Him referred to as a Jewish Zombie.
What I have learned in my Christian life is that most people who have these type feelings about Christianity are very threatened by us, and may need it themselves.  If that statement made you angry, examine your own heart.  There is where it all starts. 

I would not have made it through my life without faith.   I feel sorry for those who hate.

Regards, MissSCD


i'm missing something but i didn't read that anyone hates anyone.  i also fail to see how anyone NEEDS anyone else's religion.  If "christians" would just follow what Jesus taught instead of telling every infidel to go to hell, the world would be a better place.  Jesus was very much against "religious" people who make God out to be a cosmic Sadist of the worst possible kind.  Religion should be a personal thing, a way for a person to connect with that Power that helps them make right choices.  People who do not believe in such Power are not automatically evil.  It's the very invocation of Evil and Slander that causes problems.  We have only to look at the Middle East the "Holy" Land, if you will, to see this.  Lighten up already.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/10/2007 9:00:23 PM   
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And Jews don't believe in zombies, btw. Golems were made of clay, not reanimated dead people.


Not all of us believe in golems, but Jewish Guilt - now THAT's something to believe in and fear.  :)

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 1:57:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

Well,

When I joined this group, I did not expect for my religion to be bashed. If you do not like religion, stay out of it.
I have heard my Lord referred to as many things, but never before have I heard Him referred to as a Jewish Zombie.
What I have learned in my Christian life is that most people who have these type feelings about Christianity are very threatened by us, and may need it themselves.  If that statement made you angry, examine your own heart.  There is where it all starts. 

I would not have made it through my life without faith.   I feel sorry for those who hate.

Regards, MissSCD


i'm missing something but i didn't read that anyone hates anyone.  i also fail to see how anyone NEEDS anyone else's religion.  If "christians" would just follow what Jesus taught instead of telling every infidel to go to hell, the world would be a better place.  Jesus was very much against "religious" people who make God out to be a cosmic Sadist of the worst possible kind.  Religion should be a personal thing, a way for a person to connect with that Power that helps them make right choices.  People who do not believe in such Power are not automatically evil.  It's the very invocation of Evil and Slander that causes problems.  We have only to look at the Middle East the "Holy" Land, if you will, to see this.  Lighten up already.


I have to say here that I do understand where MissSCD is coming from.  I usually stay out of "religious" or philosophical threads as much as possible.  I read more than a few, although I have not speciifcally participated in many.  And I could be wrong regarding the fact that you and LaT are referring to instances of "you're going to hell" etc. 
Frankly, I have never seen it.  When topics are started that have something to do with religion, or a philosophy of complete disbelief, I would assume these are meant for open discussion.  (I will add here that I have never seen a thread started specifically to proclaim God or Christianity.  Only the opposite...)  Therefore, those with certain religious views might, naturally, would participate, and I have never seen them give opinions that are not respectful and polite.  Wouldn't this thread be a typical example of that?
However, it is well known that "Christians", in particular, are often pointed to as delusional, morons, idiots and worse.  We are all fanatical, and any feelings we have regarding anything is because we are part of the crazy religious right, etc., etc., etc.  We are automatically stereotyped, and dismissed as not worth listening to.  Christianity is disparaged all too often on these boards, and it comes up often in a very negative way throughout many political discussions.  It has happened to Me, and I try very hard to never be rude!
In My personal life, I have them knocking at My door, and I send them on their way with the assurance that I am good to go.  If that is what you mean, LaT, then I apologize.  I know those door knockers are on a mission to save your very soul and that can be annoying. 
If there are instances wherein people feel they are being attacked on these boards for non-belief, I would love to be pointed in that direction.  I haven 't seen it. I do not attack, and I have read many other points of view that are obviously, to Me, not meant as an attack, yet, it is very easy to be accused of that.  An opinion that does not match is too often taken as a challenge, when all it is is a different opinion!  I have recoiled from some of the vitriol.  And that is usually an indication of feeling threatened. 

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 2:31:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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And LaTigresse, my name actually means, at least for my interpretation, the one true master over all these ignorant little fuckers my age calling themselves Doms for sex.

/gasp

At long last.... It has happened.... we have finally been blessed with the ONE TRUE MASTER

dayum but our luck is changing for the better every day




Hopefully we will soon see ONE TRUE MISTRESS

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 2:35:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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And LaTigresse, my name actually means, at least for my interpretation, the one true master over all these ignorant little fuckers my age calling themselves Doms for sex.

/gasp

At long last.... It has happened.... we have finally been blessed with the ONE TRUE MASTER

dayum but our luck is changing for the better every day




Hopefully we will soon see ONE TRUE MISTRESS

*slides in* TADAAAAAAAA!

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 2:36:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheKingofKings

So I was watching this movie Zeitgeist.  And it made me realize something.  Most, if not everything about religion is....well....false.  I would go into detail but it's best if you watch the movie.


Religious thoughts aside, it`s hard to see how anyone can get beliefs from a movie, considering that they are just theatrical productions meant to entertain us.

My view of religion is that if it helps people reach a better state of being then thats all good. I also think you can be spiritual without actually believing  totally in one religion or another.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 2:38:32 AM   
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Lol GoddessMine, a timely and spectacular entrance Ma`am.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 3:03:49 AM   
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Jesus was a good jewish boy.

He lived at home til he was 30,
he went into his father's business,
and his mother treated him like he was God.....

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/11/2007 3:26:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

Well,

When I joined this group, I did not expect for my religion to be bashed. If you do not like religion, stay out of it.
I have heard my Lord referred to as many things, but never before have I heard Him referred to as a Jewish Zombie.
What I have learned in my Christian life is that most people who have these type feelings about Christianity are very threatened by us, and may need it themselves.  If that statement made you angry, examine your own heart.  There is where it all starts. 

I would not have made it through my life without faith.   I feel sorry for those who hate.

Regards, MissSCD


i'm missing something but i didn't read that anyone hates anyone.  i also fail to see how anyone NEEDS anyone else's religion.  If "christians" would just follow what Jesus taught instead of telling every infidel to go to hell, the world would be a better place.  Jesus was very much against "religious" people who make God out to be a cosmic Sadist of the worst possible kind.  Religion should be a personal thing, a way for a person to connect with that Power that helps them make right choices.  People who do not believe in such Power are not automatically evil.  It's the very invocation of Evil and Slander that causes problems.  We have only to look at the Middle East the "Holy" Land, if you will, to see this.  Lighten up already.


I have to say here that I do understand where MissSCD is coming from.  I usually stay out of "religious" or philosophical threads as much as possible.  I read more than a few, although I have not speciifcally participated in many.  And I could be wrong regarding the fact that you and LaT are referring to instances of "you're going to hell" etc. 
Frankly, I have never seen it.  When topics are started that have something to do with religion, or a philosophy of complete disbelief, I would assume these are meant for open discussion.  (I will add here that I have never seen a thread started specifically to proclaim God or Christianity.  Only the opposite...)  Therefore, those with certain religious views might, naturally, would participate, and I have never seen them give opinions that are not respectful and polite.  Wouldn't this thread be a typical example of that?
However, it is well known that "Christians", in particular, are often pointed to as delusional, morons, idiots and worse.  We are all fanatical, and any feelings we have regarding anything is because we are part of the crazy religious right, etc., etc., etc.  We are automatically stereotyped, and dismissed as not worth listening to.  Christianity is disparaged all too often on these boards, and it comes up often in a very negative way throughout many political discussions.  It has happened to Me, and I try very hard to never be rude!
In My personal life, I have them knocking at My door, and I send them on their way with the assurance that I am good to go.  If that is what you mean, LaT, then I apologize.  I know those door knockers are on a mission to save your very soul and that can be annoying. 
If there are instances wherein people feel they are being attacked on these boards for non-belief, I would love to be pointed in that direction.  I haven 't seen it. I do not attack, and I have read many other points of view that are obviously, to Me, not meant as an attack, yet, it is very easy to be accused of that.  An opinion that does not match is too often taken as a challenge, when all it is is a different opinion!  I have recoiled from some of the vitriol.  And that is usually an indication of feeling threatened. 


I think you miss the part of MissSCD's post where she says "What I have learned in my Christian life is that most people who have these type feelings about Christianity are very threatened by us,and may need it themselves"

There are many that do not believe in Christianity, not because they feel threatened in any way but because they cannot see the logic behind people believing in a work of fiction. I don't believe nor am I threatened by it nor do I in any way feel I am missing something or need something.

I once chatted to a muslim on my yahoo im (he contacted me out of the blue) and when he asked my religion I told him I did not believe in god. Rather than just leave it at that he went away and posted my details on a website for muslims telling them that I needed to be saved. I had hundreds of contacts from people trying to force me to change my mind.

I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe but I have often seen people of believe try to force their views on to non believers. That is the issue here. Everyone has a right to their own views on politics or religion or life in general. What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 12:43:20 AM   
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i started my studies in Zen Buddhism for philosophical reasons & mental health. i discovered that the modern (those aware of Christianity) Zen Masters are quite respectful of Christ, for good reason: He taught love & that there is no, "end", only change.

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