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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 8:33:56 AM   
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I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe but I have often seen people of believe try to force their views on to non believers. That is the issue here. Everyone has a right to their own views on politics or religion or life in general. What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.


I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe ...
No, what they mostly do is ridicule and mock Christian beliefs.  Same thing.  And it's done all the time.  Case in point, this thread.

What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.
What I often see (I would say this is likely what MissSCD means, but I'll not try to speak for her) is that any mention of a person's belief in religion ESPECIALLY Christianity is usually meet with vociferous attacks on Christianity.

These sort of attacks are much less common when someone mentions that they are Buddhism, Pagan, Wiccan, Atheist, Muslim, etc.  In fact, often if a Christian even attempts to enter into a civil conversation with someone posting about those beliefs, then the very fact that they have a question, or make a statement of their Christian belief is seen as an "attack" on the non-Christian.

Talking or posting about your Christian beliefs is defined as "forcing your beliefs on others".

Horse shit.  It's a double-standard. 

It's a blatant anti-Christian bias.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 8:36:26 AM   
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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 9:30:08 AM   
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Why? I don't really know but I do know that the Bible says that Christians will be hated for their beliefs.  It would be interesting to see someone argue that isn't true. 

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 9:44:41 AM   
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I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe but I have often seen people of believe try to force their views on to non believers. That is the issue here. Everyone has a right to their own views on politics or religion or life in general. What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.



I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe ...
No, what they mostly do is ridicule and mock Christian beliefs.  Same thing.  And it's done all the time.  Case in point, this thread.


What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.

What I often see (I would say this is likely what MissSCD means, but I'll not try to speak for her) is that any mention of a person's belief in religion ESPECIALLY Christianity is usually meet with vociferous attacks on Christianity.

These sort of attacks are much less common when someone mentions that they are Buddhism, Pagan, Wiccan, Atheist, Muslim, etc.  In fact, often if a Christian even attempts to enter into a civil conversation with someone posting about those beliefs, then the very fact that they have a question, or make a statement of their Christian belief is seen as an "attack" on the non-Christian.

Talking or posting about your Christian beliefs is defined as "forcing your beliefs on others".

Horse shit.  It's a double-standard. 

It's a blatant anti-Christian bias.

Firm


Read back over this thread. Are you saying it is only ok for Christians to come here and air their religious views. Why is it not right for me or others that do not believe to state theirs.

If anyone here wants to believe in some higher power then that is their choice. and it is their right to post about their beliefs if they wish. It is my choice not to believe and also to state my views if I wish. Stating that I do not believe in god or whatever you want to call it is not Christian bashing. It is my view to which I am entitled.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 9:49:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: susie

Read back over this thread. Are you saying it is only ok for Christians to come here and air their religious views. Why is it not right for me or others that do not believe to state theirs.

If anyone here wants to believe in some higher power then that is their choice. and it is their right to post about their beliefs if they wish. It is my choice not to believe and also to state my views if I wish. Stating that I do not believe in god or whatever you want to call it is not Christian bashing. It is my view to which I am entitled.


susie,

I think you totally missed my point. Got most of it exactly bass-ackwards, actually.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 10:00:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: susie

Read back over this thread. Are you saying it is only ok for Christians to come here and air their religious views. Why is it not right for me or others that do not believe to state theirs.

If anyone here wants to believe in some higher power then that is their choice. and it is their right to post about their beliefs if they wish. It is my choice not to believe and also to state my views if I wish. Stating that I do not believe in god or whatever you want to call it is not Christian bashing. It is my view to which I am entitled.


susie,

I think you totally missed my point. Got most of it exactly bass-ackwards, actually.

Firm



No I did not miss the point. You did.

This thread was started by someone saying they saw a film and from that he decided that in his view religion is false. His view. Nowhere in this post does he state that anyone should change their views. My post says that I do not believe in god or some mystical being. Nowhere do I say that others should change their views.

Now please tell me where that is Christian bashing.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 10:03:02 AM   
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Far be it from me to stay on the "safe" side of things, so let me see if I got this right...

Christianity: The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Makes perfect sense.

I saw that on a t-shirt, I thought about buying it. It pretty much sums it up.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 10:29:56 AM   
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No I did not miss the point. You did.

This thread was started by someone saying they saw a film and from that he decided that in his view religion is false. His view. Nowhere in this post does he state that anyone should change their views. My post says that I do not believe in god or some mystical being. Nowhere do I say that others should change their views.

Now please tell me where that is Christian bashing.


Please read my posts in context to your words - which I quoted to ensure (I thought) that you understand what parts of your post I was addressing - and take a stab at reading outside your emotionally filtered understanding.

I'm sorry, but I really don't have a lot of patience today, to walk you through it again.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 10:50:17 AM   
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The problem, as I see it anyway, with religious fantatics........is that they are so........fantatical about it!

I honestly don't care what a person believes. They can worship a man living on the moon because it is made of green cheese, for all I care. It is when they try to convince me that I need to believe the same, that they are somehow better, that I am somehow evil, for not believing the same. THAT is when I have a problem.

A religious person will feel it is their constitutional right to spout whatever their beliefs are, whereever and whenever they choose. BUT if you spout off anything that contradicts their belief with even half the conviction and passion, they you are evil and attacking them.

I suppose it is because it threatens the very core of who they are, because it challenges something that cannot be proven. Yet it is something that is so important to them on such a personal level.

All in all, people really need to loosen up.

I agree, LaT.  Anyone who is fanatical about anything whether it be religion or not is pretty odious to me.  Some of the most seemingly fanatical religionists do the most to exemplify what a good believer should NOT be. 

Perhaps the only thing funnier and more offensive to me than a fanatical religious believer is a fanatical non-believer.  I feel, as you do, often their fanaticism comes also from their own core being threatened by that which they can't solidly DISPROVE. 

One's spiritual/religious beliefs are indeed VERY personal and I don't feel they should be attacked by non-believers OR forced upon non-believers.  Just as the fanatical arguments of non-believers shouldn't be attacked or forced upon those who do have beliefs in being(s) they consider sacred. 

I don't understand why folks can't just believe or not believe and let others do the same without turning it into a hateful argument about who is or isn't right.  As you said, I don't care what others believe because it's not going to affect what I choose to believe.  Loosen up indeed.  You said it.................luci

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 10:57:15 AM   
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No I did not miss the point. You did.

This thread was started by someone saying they saw a film and from that he decided that in his view religion is false. His view. Nowhere in this post does he state that anyone should change their views. My post says that I do not believe in god or some mystical being. Nowhere do I say that others should change their views.

Now please tell me where that is Christian bashing.


Please read my posts in context to your words - which I quoted to ensure (I thought) that you understand what parts of your post I was addressing - and take a stab at reading outside your emotionally filtered understanding.

I'm sorry, but I really don't have a lot of patience today, to walk you through it again.

Firm


I read perfectly well thank you very much and I would suggest that if you want to be snarky you find someone else to do it with. My understanding is not emotionally filtered. I am stating what I feel. Don't like it? dont read it.

I don't really care how much patience you do or do not have. I will post this one more time. Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe. I have a right to post my belief on this or any other thread. I do not believe in some higher being. I am not asking you to change your mind about what you believe in. In fact I actually don't care what you believe in. I am stating what I feel which is my right.

Not once have I asked anyone to change what they believe in. Not once have I suggested that anyone is wrong in believing what they want to believe be it god, fairies or little green men. Up to them. If you see that as Christian bashing so be it.


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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 10:59:48 AM   
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I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe but I have often seen people of believe try to force their views on to non believers. That is the issue here. Everyone has a right to their own views on politics or religion or life in general. What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.



I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe ...
No, what they mostly do is ridicule and mock Christian beliefs.  Same thing.  And it's done all the time.  Case in point, this thread.


What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.

What I often see (I would say this is likely what MissSCD means, but I'll not try to speak for her) is that any mention of a person's belief in religion ESPECIALLY Christianity is usually meet with vociferous attacks on Christianity.

These sort of attacks are much less common when someone mentions that they are Buddhism, Pagan, Wiccan, Atheist, Muslim, etc.  In fact, often if a Christian even attempts to enter into a civil conversation with someone posting about those beliefs, then the very fact that they have a question, or make a statement of their Christian belief is seen as an "attack" on the non-Christian.

Talking or posting about your Christian beliefs is defined as "forcing your beliefs on others".

Horse shit.  It's a double-standard. 

It's a blatant anti-Christian bias.

Firm

.  You and Level have said it well.  It's the same argument everytime the subject arises.  Those who can't stomach what they believe Christianity to be lump all Christians together as fanatical, right-wing facists who wish to force others to believe and do as they say.  Maybe some but not all Christians are this way and I know that Level and I as well as others here who identify as Christian have talked about this until we're blue in the face.  A quick perusal of all posts about the subject will show that, regardless of what some have interpreted, I have never once judged or condemned anyone for not believing as I do.  All I have ever asked is that all Christians not be lumped together and mocked.  I've been called "cuntish" and overly defensive and all types of other ignorant remarks for simply asking that such judgments not be made and passed off as some all-encompassing truth.  Bah...what are ya gonna do?  "Defending" one's belief just makes the baiters and haters more rabid and makes them call you worse names.............luci

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 11:06:23 AM   
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Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe. I have a right to post my belief on this or any other thread. I do not believe in some higher being. I am not asking you to change your mind about what you believe in. In fact I actually don't care what you believe in. I am stating what I feel which is my right.

Not once have I asked anyone to change what they believe in. Not once have I suggested that anyone is wrong in believing what they want to believe be it god, fairies or little green men. Up to them. If you see that as Christian bashing so be it.

Susie,
See that's NOT Christian bashing.  You are not Christian bashing.  I don't think it's you that is being accused of doing so.  It does happen alot, especially when a thread like this is started.  It actually has zero to do with anyone thinking others have the right to believe what they want.  The bashing comes in when mockery begins.  That very often happens.  If someone says they're Wiccan, Pagan, or that they worship daisies for that matter, everyone is supposed to be all cool and accepting because their beliefs are their beliefs.  If someone mentions being Christian, it's often a different story.  Because there is a very large right-wing, repressive group of powerful fundamentalist Christians active in the U.S today, then many assume all Christians believe/act that way and that is so untrue.  There is a tendency by many to read "Christian" and assume that means a conservative, fanatical facist mentality.  Then the mocking begins.  That's the upsetting part for me...............luci

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 11:13:15 AM   
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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 11:13:34 AM   
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There is a tendency by many to read "Christian" and assume that means a conservative, fanatical facist mentality.  Then the mocking begins.  That's the upsetting part for me...............luci


And "stupid", don't forget we're "stupid"

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 11:18:39 AM   
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No I did not miss the point. You did.

This thread was started by someone saying they saw a film and from that he decided that in his view religion is false. His view. Nowhere in this post does he state that anyone should change their views. My post says that I do not believe in god or some mystical being. Nowhere do I say that others should change their views.

Now please tell me where that is Christian bashing.


Please read my posts in context to your words - which I quoted to ensure (I thought) that you understand what parts of your post I was addressing - and take a stab at reading outside your emotionally filtered understanding.

I'm sorry, but I really don't have a lot of patience today, to walk you through it again.

Firm


I read perfectly well thank you very much and I would suggest that if you want to be snarky you find someone else to do it with. My understanding is not emotionally filtered. I am stating what I feel. Don't like it? dont read it.

I don't really care how much patience you do or do not have. I will post this one more time. Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe. I have a right to post my belief on this or any other thread. I do not believe in some higher being. I am not asking you to change your mind about what you believe in. In fact I actually don't care what you believe in. I am stating what I feel which is my right.

Not once have I asked anyone to change what they believe in. Not once have I suggested that anyone is wrong in believing what they want to believe be it god, fairies or little green men. Up to them. If you see that as Christian bashing so be it.


susie,

I wasn't trying to attack you, being snarky with you, or being anything negative to you.

I used your words as a starting point to make a statement and an observation about what I often have found.

You seem to have gotten all emotional about it, and taken it as some kind of personal attack, saying that I am calling you "anti-Christian".  To the contrary, your religious beliefs or lack of them are totally irrelevant to me, or what I posted.

However, your inability to understand the context of my posts in this thread today has become apparent, and I really don't have the time or desire to enter into a pissing contest with you.  You seem to be an "emotive" person, and not a logical one.

Case in point.  You object to my phrase "take a stab at reading outside your emotionally filtered understanding".

You take umbrage to this phrase and say:
My understanding is not emotionally filtered. I am stating what I feel.
If you don't see the total hilarity of these two phrases as a "defense" against me asking you to use a little less emotion when you read my words .... well .... I'm not going to explain that point to you either.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 11:46:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: susie

I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe but I have often seen people of believe try to force their views on to non believers. That is the issue here. Everyone has a right to their own views on politics or religion or life in general. What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.





I have never seen anyone here tell someone that has Christian beliefs that they should change their minds and not believe ...
No, what they mostly do is ridicule and mock Christian beliefs.  Same thing.  And it's done all the time.  Case in point, this thread.




What they do not have the right to do is to try to force their views on to others.


What I often see (I would say this is likely what MissSCD means, but I'll not try to speak for her) is that any mention of a person's belief in religion ESPECIALLY Christianity is usually meet with vociferous attacks on Christianity.

These sort of attacks are much less common when someone mentions that they are Buddhism, Pagan, Wiccan, Atheist, Muslim, etc.  In fact, often if a Christian even attempts to enter into a civil conversation with someone posting about those beliefs, then the very fact that they have a question, or make a statement of their Christian belief is seen as an "attack" on the non-Christian.

Talking or posting about your Christian beliefs is defined as "forcing your beliefs on others".

Horse shit.  It's a double-standard. 

It's a blatant anti-Christian bias.

Firm


Read back over this thread. Are you saying it is only ok for Christians to come here and air their religious views. Why is it not right for me or others that do not believe to state theirs.



Nobody said it wasn't okay for anyone to come here and "state their views".  But apparently it is not okay for Christians to enter into these sorts of discussion without full flame retardent gear.  We run into the problem when the non-Christian views include statements like "stupid, moron, cunt, idiot, delusional".  This is mocking and disparaging and completely unecessary. 

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I've noticed the anti Christian bent on here many times.  If some of the same type of things were said about Wiccans IE: "So how old were you when you first flew on a broom?" the writer of that would be flamed without ceasing. 



An excellent example of what I have never seen.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 11:58:43 AM   
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I do believe in something that christians call god. I believe that energy created the earth, etc etc etc. I just believe that it was grossly distorted thousands of years ago into the mess we have now.

My point about loosening up relates to this. IF indeed, a person's faith is so personal and so fragile that it cannot withstand a debate where opposing points of view are brought to the table without it being considered an attack, then why put it into a public venue?

I will cheerfully debate this issue with anyone. Sure, it may get passionate. Why can't it? Just because it is ohhhh "religioun" and somehow should be protected from negative words, passionate debate?

It is okay to debate which whip material is better, bullhide or kangaroo, but to bring the same type of discussion style to the subject of religioun is instantly a terrible thing? I can passionately say why I dislike bullhide but I cannot passionately say why I dislike modern day christianity? I can say I prefer kangaroo to your bullhide, and why but I cannot give the same opinions on religioun?

The thing is this, I don't feel personally attacked regardless of subject. Most people that covet a bullhide whip are not going to feel personally attacked if I say, "wow, I tried that once and thought it was shit" BUT, if you use the very same style of debate on religioun you are soooooooo guaranteed to get undies bunched and someone will inevitably take a condesending tone and go all "one true wayish" trying to play the "I know my way is better than yours so somehow, I am better than you" attitude.

It is very possible I have been guilty of projecting this very same attitude. I would not be surprised if I had, after all I am human. I do think my way is best, FOR ME. Do I personally think that alot of people following alot of faiths have blinders on? Why yes I do! Do I think they are terrible people or idiots for it, no. Mislead perhaps. Those are my beliefs. I honestly don't care if anyone else agrees with me. It is my own personal thing.

All of that being said, it really doesn't matter does it? I will go on about my way and everyone else is going to go on about theirs. I just simply, find it rather interesting, that religioun is one of the few subjects that cannot be discussed and debated without people taking it all personal and getting upset, feeling attacked.

If you honestly believe down to your core, that what you believe in, is correct. That it really is the One True Way, it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks. There is no reason to be upset. Because you know you are on the right path, regardless of what anyone else believes about you or your faith.......no?


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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 12:05:31 PM   
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No I did not miss the point. You did.

This thread was started by someone saying they saw a film and from that he decided that in his view religion is false. His view. Nowhere in this post does he state that anyone should change their views. My post says that I do not believe in god or some mystical being. Nowhere do I say that others should change their views.

Now please tell me where that is Christian bashing.


Please read my posts in context to your words - which I quoted to ensure (I thought) that you understand what parts of your post I was addressing - and take a stab at reading outside your emotionally filtered understanding.

I'm sorry, but I really don't have a lot of patience today, to walk you through it again.

Firm


I read perfectly well thank you very much and I would suggest that if you want to be snarky you find someone else to do it with. My understanding is not emotionally filtered. I am stating what I feel. Don't like it? dont read it.

I don't really care how much patience you do or do not have. I will post this one more time. Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe. I have a right to post my belief on this or any other thread. I do not believe in some higher being. I am not asking you to change your mind about what you believe in. In fact I actually don't care what you believe in. I am stating what I feel which is my right.

Not once have I asked anyone to change what they believe in. Not once have I suggested that anyone is wrong in believing what they want to believe be it god, fairies or little green men. Up to them. If you see that as Christian bashing so be it.


susie,

I wasn't trying to attack you, being snarky with you, or being anything negative to you.

I used your words as a starting point to make a statement and an observation about what I often have found.

You seem to have gotten all emotional about it, and taken it as some kind of personal attack, saying that I am calling you "anti-Christian".  To the contrary, your religious beliefs or lack of them are totally irrelevant to me, or what I posted.

However, your inability to understand the context of my posts in this thread today has become apparent, and I really don't have the time or desire to enter into a pissing contest with you.  You seem to be an "emotive" person, and not a logical one.

Case in point.  You object to my phrase "take a stab at reading outside your emotionally filtered understanding".

You take umbrage to this phrase and say:

My understanding is not emotionally filtered. I am stating what I feel.

If you don't see the total hilarity of these two phrases as a "defense" against me asking you to use a little less emotion when you read my words .... well .... I'm not going to explain that point to you either.

Firm


Well I am glad you find something funny. Just for your information because you seem incapable of understanding, stating a view does not have to have anything to do with emotion and can be perfectly logical.

As for me being emotional rather than logical well that has just made the 2 people with me in this room laugh like drains. I do not expect you to see the amusement in that as you do not know me.

I would be grateful if you could show me where I accused you of calling me anti- christian.

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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 12:27:39 PM   
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As I told the two nice ladies who came to my door yesterday and wished to tell me about their religion "I have my religious beliefs, and I am satisfied with them, but thank you for your interest, and I hope you have a wonderful day."

I started out raised in a very religious family (the denomination is unimportant). I began to question those beliefs when I was a teenager, and I have spent much of my life since then meditating about the world, my place in it, the universe, the spirit, logic and emotion, life and death, and when all of that is boiled down, I reached a simple conclusion which feels true to me, and makes sense in the world in which I live, and brings comfort to me. When all is said and done, I think that is what any spiritual belief should do--it should make us stronger, wiser, and kinder than we were before. When mankind gets together as a committee, and begin to add on the "Thou shalt nots", and the "stone the infidels", and "all the _____s shall be damned to torment", and most especially the "I have been given a divine revelation!", that is when spirituality goes awry.

What my beliefs are don't matter, as I believe this is a place people reach only after years of question and meditation. I hope everyone eventually reaches a place of peace and strength within their hearts and minds.



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RE: A very controversial subject - 11/12/2007 12:37:58 PM   
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