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ORIGINAL: nella

i am in favor of a Gorean board, it would i think reduse the number of other treads that degrade into simple Gor bashing. As for etiquette on the Gorean forum, would not that be like etiquette on the rest of this site, be resonably polite and respectfull.

There is hovever somtimes problems whit this in the Gorean chat room, even if it in now way say you have to follow Gorean protocol, many expect it none the less. Espesialy Gorean slaves, stragely enough, seam to get anoyed if a girl do not act like a Gorean slave even if she has said she is not.

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Here is one sugestion, for open Gorean forums and chat rooms in general. What aboute considering non Gorean submissives, and perhaps slaves to as free servants. Sobmissive sure, low on the sosial rank, sure, but not expected to follow Gorean protocol for slaves.

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ORIGINAL: RavenofPK
Every time a Gorean man says a damn thing on this forum, they are blasted because they are not kissing a submissive's ass, or automatically respecting everyone just because THEY say so?? Goreans are known for being separatists and segregated from the rest of society. And if, in order for Goreans to participate on this forum in a semblence of their own element, a Gorean forum becomes created........then the rules are quite simple: If you don't like the way a place operates.........simply don't go there! It's not like it will be the only place on the whole forum for you to go and discuss things. Goreans, in general, tend to not conform to things that they are not. It goes against their basic beliefs. Don't expect Goreans to change the way they are in their OWN forum.

Raven

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

This is a perfect articulation of why a Gorean forum is a bad idea for CM as a whole. This impulse to retreat to "your" space is comforting, but it is a retreat, a self-segregation.

I don't want to lose the Goreans. I want them here, because I value the different perspective they bring. I don't want them to have their special Gorean comfort zone space - I want them in the mix because they add something to the general discussion.

I bring a certain, highly romantic M/s viewpoint to the conversation, others bring a "What's love got to do with it?" view, the Lifestylers here bring something,the Goreans bring something - the last thing we want is ghettoization of our community.

Self-chosen ghettoization is still ghettoization.

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
I've been following the response to this with some amusement. I've never known you to be anything but courteous, perverse. I have no doubt that you could participate in a Gorean forum and express your views in a civil manner.

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I don't know of any Goreans (other than the chatroom Warrior type) who would expect you to comport yourself as a Gorean slave just because you have a vagina or call yourself submissive. I've entertained a woman and her master from this site in my living room, and, while they are learning about how I live, they don't claim to be Gorean and I didn't expect them to behave as Goreans.

"Gorean only" forums are different. If you post there, you are doing so with the implicit claim to be Gorean, and you are expected to behave as such. I think you were arguing against the presence of a "Gorean only" forum here, and I would agree. There are enough of them for those who want to interact in a "Gorean only" atmosphere. I've taken some heat for the way that I run the Gorean community chat here because I don't require protocol of everyone. I don't, because this isn't a "Gorean only" site and in my estimation being open to those who want to approach, respectfully, and learn about how we live is one of the more compelling reasons for being here.

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Original: Raven

Then why insist Goreans conform to your (generalization to bdsm or whatever) way? Sounds like a double standard to me.

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

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ORIGINAL: RavenofPK
Every time a Gorean man says a damn thing on this forum, they are blasted because they are not kissing a submissive's ass, or automatically respecting everyone just because THEY say so?? Goreans are known for being separatists and segregated from the rest of society. And if, in order for Goreans to participate on this forum in a semblence of their own element, a Gorean forum becomes created........then the rules are quite simple: If you don't like the way a place operates.........simply don't go there! It's not like it will be the only place on the whole forum for you to go and discuss things. Goreans, in general, tend to not conform to things that they are not. It goes against their basic beliefs. Don't expect Goreans to change the way they are in their OWN forum.

Raven

This is a perfect articulation of why a Gorean forum is a bad idea for CM as a whole. This impulse to retreat to "your" space is comforting, but it is a retreat, a self-segregation.

I don't want to lose the Goreans. I want them here, because I value the different perspective they bring. I don't want them to have their special Gorean comfort zone space - I want them in the mix because they add something to the general discussion.

I bring a certain, highly romantic M/s viewpoint to the conversation, others bring a "What's love got to do with it?" view, the Lifestylers here bring something,the Goreans bring something - the last thing we want is ghettoization of our community.

Self-chosen ghettoization is still ghettoization.

I cant immagine why, Faramir, you think you'd be losing the Gorean contingent if a Gorean Forum is opened. I immagine that those of us who already post here and in other forums will continue to do so. Personally I'm in favour if only for the reason that if one or three of us want to post a thread on specific Gorean issues, the Gor Forum is the ideal place to do so. Its even possible that Goreans posting in a Gor Forum wont attract as much flack as they do on a Gor related thread here. Its sort of like me dropping my tweeds in a shopping mall, it would raise some irate comments, whereas if I get nakid at a nudist beach no one will get upset. However I do take youtr points which you have raised and have given them some thought.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I cant immagine why, Faramir, you think you'd be losing the Gorean contingent if a Gorean Forum is opened. I immagine that those of us who already post here and in other forums will continue to do so. Personally I'm in favour if only for the reason that if one or three of us want to post a thread on specific Gorean issues, the Gor Forum is the ideal place to do so. Its even possible that Goreans posting in a Gor Forum wont attract as much flack as they do on a Gor related thread here. Its sort of like me dropping my tweeds in a shopping mall, it would raise some irate comments, whereas if I get nakid at a nudist beach no one will get upset. However I do take youtr points which you have raised and have given them some thought.

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

Because there would be a natural propensity for you and other Goreans to tend to post some of your BDSM and D/s thoughts there. Would you never post anywhere else? No, but if you post 10 times a week, and four of them now go in the Gor forum, your content is now spread out more - you've diluted your general contribution.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

No, because the Gorean forum, like any other forum, would be open to every user on Collarme. So anyone who wants to read what IronBear has to say can find his posts regardless of which forum he chooses to post them to. I really don't see how you can tell people where they should post what. You can't dictate the terms of this hypostatized "discussion" you keep talking about. People are free.

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

Because there would be a natural propensity for you and other Goreans to tend to post some of your BDSM and D/s thoughts there. Would you never post anywhere else? No, but if you post 10 times a week, and four of them now go in the Gor forum, your content is now spread out more - you've diluted your general contribution.

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Cant believe the moderator was correct that this would turn into a flame thread somehow

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A simple simple solution for you. Any un-owned lady that goes in there is owned by CM and I believe CM agrees with free speech

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ORIGINAL: smilezz
I have been in quite a few Gorean forums, i do not claim to be Gorean, i do not claim to have alot of knowledge about their way of life either. I will say that i have always been welcome...it's a curiousity, i enjoy speaking to people, i am just polite and ask alot of questions. I have never been told that i can not practice free speech in any of them.
I also have a few people that i call friends that live a Gorean way in r/l...they are just as human as anyone else.

~smilezz~

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This makes no sense. The proposed Gorean Forum comes IN RESPONSE TO REQUESTS for it. Really, how could anyone object? Making smaller and smaller pools of conversation would be a bad idea only if people weren't asking for specific forums.