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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/11/2005 8:20:47 AM   
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(By the way, I'm not Gorean myself, and find it about as outlandish as you do.)


Ohh, my turn now. People ARE entitled to their own opinions of course...so here's mine. There are people that practice/live a different way of life.....and it's outlandish? why? becuase it differs from? what? yours? doesn't everyone have the right to live how they see fit?

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/11/2005 2:49:28 PM   
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I just call up the list of new posts since I last logged on, and read through the thread titles one by one, regardless of the forum where they came from.



You can do that? *jaw drops* I didn't realize that. I've learned my new thing for the day.. time to go back to bed.

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/11/2005 2:59:31 PM   
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It sounds to me as though you like the convenience of hearing Gorean voices in the forums you frequent anyway,


Bingo. I know that I'd not visit a Gorean forum. The gems of wisdom would be lost inside of posts on silks and elaborate serves. It wouldn't be worth my time to ferret them out.

By the way, someone handed me a link comparing Gor and Nietzsche. http://p078.ezboard.com/fthegoreanforum25823frm11.showMessage?topicID=69.topic If this were the type of topic the forum generated, it would be something I'd visit. We do have a handful of people on the forums who are Gor and that considered about their lifestyle, but those don't outweigh the rest of what would be in there.

Those are personal reasons though, and not the real reason I feel a forum would be detrimental. As I said before, I'm afraid that subdividing the forums would ruin their dynamic nature.


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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/11/2005 3:36:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't get the big deal on bdsm people getting thier shorts in a twist over exclusivity.

There are lots of sub groups that keep to themselves, with no crossovers. The gay leathermen are a good example. They certainly don't encourage het females to come to thier bars, and hit on them.

And people seem to be able to respect that-what's the big deal with allowing Goreans the same respect? It's only a "dilution" if they WANT you to be there-and from the way so many "kinksters" seem to enjoy harassing the hell out of them,I would NOT blame them for wanting that sort excluded.

Any more than I would seeing a het female that refused to take NO for an answer, getting bounced out of a gay bar.

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/11/2005 4:09:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's outlandish to me. That's all I'm saying. If you've read what I've been saying in this thread, I'm supporting their request to have their own forum.

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ORIGINAL: smilezz

Ohh, my turn now. People ARE entitled to their own opinions of course...so here's mine. There are people that practice/live a different way of life.....and it's outlandish? why? becuase it differs from? what? yours? doesn't everyone have the right to live how they see fit?



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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/11/2005 4:12:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

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I just call up the list of new posts since I last logged on, and read through the thread titles one by one, regardless of the forum where they came from.



You can do that? *jaw drops* I didn't realize that. I've learned my new thing for the day.. time to go back to bed.


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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/14/2005 3:59:55 AM   
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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/14/2005 6:46:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know at least two real time Masters who live by Gorean standards. They are leaders in our BDSM community, do much to educate and serve the community and don't require anyone except their slaves to follow their chosen lifestyle. They are both mature men with families and a realistic understanding of how much Gor is possible in the real world outside of a novel.

I have high respect for both gentlemen, not because they follow Gor, but because they give back to the community more than they take out.

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(Perhaps we could actually make it about r/t Gor...versus a lot of the online crap that has assisted in giving Goreans a bad rep)


Taking a flawed poll, has anyone ever met a RT gore person? I haven't. I don't doubt they exist somewhere I've just never come across one.

Anyone on CM RT gore?




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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 4:55:56 AM   
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Also, like Faramir said, I hope that a spesific board wouldn't cause individuals to withdraw from the other boards totally. I don't think that the majority would do this. Maybe I have too much faith in people but I think the people who would withdraw to a single board because of perceived slights, IMHO, are the kind that would stop frequenting a message board the first time someone didn't conform to their ideas of behavior. I'd like to think no one currently active here is like that.


Hmmm... well, for me personally, I'd probably end up posting less in the other sections, to be frank. You might notice that I'm posting this at 10 'till 5 in the morning. I work pretty hard, and don't always have the time to read these boards that I'd like. It's not that I'd "retreat" to a Gorean section, but I'm going to guess that if there were one, there would be (I hope) lots of questions and discussion about how I've lived for the last 16 years and I'd probably have more to contribute to those than I would to other topics, simply because it's what I know about. Given the limited time that I have to spend here, something would have to give, to be sure.

I don't think that this is a reason not to have the forum though. You won't find my name on a post in the "ask a Mistress" section either, though I know that the female dominants have no compunction whatsoever about jumping into the "Ask a Master" section. For my part, I try to contribute along the lines that the board creators intended, and more importantly, stick to talking about things that I know something about, so I tend to read the sections where those posts are found.



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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 7:09:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there is another side to having a Gorean Forum. It is quite possible that some of the Gorean Community who at this time frequent other Gorean lists will migrate here too. I like a few people I know recently quit a couple of the Yahell list because of the pomposity and rudeness of some seniors there. I do know a couple of people who will not join many groups where Goreans are bashed. I’d say that as long as the Mods keep any flaming to a reasonable level, these guys may well join too. The whole community will only gain from new and experienced people migrating here. Still that’s just two tasks worth from the founder of the Gorean Old Farts Brigade (Yep and people in a number of sites still enjoy “The Wheelie Raid Saga” and still ask me to write more Gorean sagas…

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 7:22:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		A Gorean forum. A Homosexual forum. A Cross-dresser forum. A Transvestite Forum. A DisneyPrincess Forum. A Black forum. A White Forum.

While it is human nature to be with people of like backgrounds and like self, it is that very thing that I wish we could fight here.

Goreans aren't the only ones flamed. Homosexuals aren't the only ones flamed. Black folk aren't the only ones flamed.

Perhaps this could go in the non-existant FAQ as well.................Gorean What does it mean.

Most people flame that which they don't understand. They are clueless as to whether they agree or disagree, they parrot convienient phrase. (Note I said most).

While there actually is a good portion of Goreans and Gorean curious here, I don't belive that the Gorean lifestyle thingy is abruptly different than other BDSM. Sorry, just don't...... I see no reason to make a distinction with out a difference.

Time to come together not to rend our commonality. (remember the thread about the background of gorean culture? I may link that here if I get ambitious)

Well met all Goreans of which I am not

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 11:24:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

A Gorean forum. A Homosexual forum. A Cross-dresser forum. A Transvestite Forum. A DisneyPrincess Forum. A Black forum. A White Forum.

While it is human nature to be with people of like backgrounds and like self, it is that very thing that I wish we could fight here.

Goreans aren't the only ones flamed. Homosexuals aren't the only ones flamed. Black folk aren't the only ones flamed.

Perhaps this could go in the non-existant FAQ as well.................Gorean What does it mean.

Most people flame that which they don't understand. They are clueless as to whether they agree or disagree, they parrot convienient phrase. (Note I said most).

While there actually is a good portion of Goreans and Gorean curious here, I don't belive that the Gorean lifestyle thingy is abruptly different than other BDSM. Sorry, just don't...... I see no reason to make a distinction with out a difference.

Time to come together not to rend our commonality. (remember the thread about the background of gorean culture? I may link that here if I get ambitious)

Well met all Goreans of which I am not

Ron


You're right. Goreans are not the only ones flamed. However, we are the only ones consistantly flamed on the boards. We're the ones who get the trekkie comparisons and the "those freaks" comments. It's sad.. but it's pretty common.

Granted, we fall under the BDSM umbrella... most alternative lifestyles do.. but in some ways we are very seperate from the majority. Our belief structure is different.. and only a small percentage of us 'scene' or really practice much that the BDSM'rs would recognize as part of themselves. What that gives us is very different issues.. issues we cannot bring up on the other forums without being smacked for them. It does not exactly lead to an open exchange of knowledge.

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 12:12:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bravo! Well-said trik. You put things in a nutshell. I was thinking along the lines too, there are bound to be topics which are specifically Gorean and yet BDSM as well. I know only too well that on several Gorean lists if you bring up BDSM practices or functions you are cold-shouldered, yet there are many areas of common interest. I think the thing is, some questions on these boards could be answered from a purely Gorean perspective which is of interest to the Goreans and a few others.

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 12:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		IronBear and Nenakajira,

I hear ya, but the deal is everybodys gotta be somewhere in this world. You may just have to put up with flaming...........I do (of course I will fan the fire to get the flame, oft times).

I don't know that anything you talk about would only be so arcane that others couldn't be interested.

I see nothing so far on the separatist threads that couldn't be solved with a header of GOREAN POST or something.

And if somebody flames you too bad, that's what Mods are for.

Respectfully disagreeing,

Ron (who should have his own topic board as well)

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 5:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having a Gorean forum would allow people the freedom to express themself in the Gorean way. Gor is rich with traditions and protocol. If a kajira (Gorean trained slave) follows this protocol on the BDSM boards , the slave is considered rude and impolite and that always gets pointed out , instead of what the post may actually be about. It also makes the language and writing style of posts very different. For the BDSM'ers I would think a Gorean forum would be a great thing because you would get to peek inside and observe a different culture. It is a win/win situation and I am hoping the powers that be will establish a Gorean forum.

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 6:20:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		kisshou, I hear ya too.

I also would like a Ron forum so I can express myself in a Ron way.

I can be rude, obnoxious and blather and flame. I am part of the community, accept me. There are factions in this community that will join my little forum so we don't mess up those that might disagree or say that is an unrealistic attitude.

The Goreans can have a forum then as well. They can be courtly, gentlefolk and speak wisdom and engage in philisophical and uplifting discussions with their community. Then that faction of the community having their own forum will not mess up those in the community that might disagree or say that is an unrealistic attitude.

Why give unilaterally give to one faction of this community? And they are community; they are here. Is it not long and it is only fitting that a yang side forum be given-- what to call it? non-gorean-free? Earthmen? And then it is just a little down the road to think that symbol looks alot like a yin-yand and one more. So then we will have to have a forum where non-Goreans and Goreans can congregate and exchange frank and honest discussion...........

I think rather, we become some accepting of them and they become some accepting of us and we wallow in any difference we find and any likeness we find and we sit down and reason together.

Kinda like that movie with Louis Gossett, Jr. and Dennis Quaid. Where they were from different planets, they started in flames and war........
and ended in brotherhood and understanding.

Sincerely and communally,
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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 6:56:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Why give unilaterally give to one faction of this community? And they are community; they are here. Is it not long and it is only fitting that a yang side forum be given-- what to call it? non-gorean-free? Earthmen?


Master mnottertail,

I beg forgiveness but this part of your post makes no sense to me. There already are all the other forums for the Free (ask a Master, Mistress).
Goreans live on earth and do not pretend to live in outer space on a different planet, so the term Earthmen does not apply. Though reading it did make me laugh.

Sincerely,
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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 7:05:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		And it was hopefully designed to make you laugh. I have actually read some of the Gorean books. I am pounding a dead horse here (but PETA-- Gorean or no, I warn you leave me alone). Are there not Gorean Masters? Forum don't say Free Masters. Are there not Gorean Mistresses? Forum don't say Free Mistresses. A recent post by Leonidas (sp? For some reason I have to see that name in front of me when I write it, no offense intended.) in a non-Gorean forum right here, made an interesting observation about Goreans, that while probably not mainstream, should cause some free (if thats how you choose to call us) to rethink some unjustifiably held Gorean beliefs. I don't know that would have gotten in there had there been barriers to interplay (as I see it. MHO)

Doggedly,
Ron
(you been getting any lately kisshou? Bandwidth I mean.......)

P.S. and you know damn right well I ain't Master nothin'. What are you drunk? LOL.........
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edited because I can't spell..........not to say it is now spelled correctly or even cogent.

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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 7:21:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amen. One advantage of having a Gor specific forum is that Gorean is so very different. It's philosophy of life rather than technique. Lumped in with everything else it's like discussing sailing in a forum devoted to bass fishing. Both take place on the water, but...


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RE: Gorean Forum? - 8/18/2005 8:10:03 PM   
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Are there not Gorean Masters? Forum don't say Free Masters. Are there not Gorean Mistresses? Forum don't say Free Mistresses.


Errrrmmm Free Masters and Free Mistresses???? Gorean Masters or Mistresses or Free men and Free Women...... Here endeth the lesson....

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