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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 10:17:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, as for the car analogy...it's quite common to use analogies to explain situations or experiences to those who may have difficulty understanding it for what it is.  People use comparisons all the time when trying to explain stuff.  Since cars tend to be valuable to their owners (how many of you get upset when yours gets dinged, scraped or hit?), they are used as an analogy to explain something that is valuable.  Nobody is saying a person is a car.  We all know a person is not a car.  Hell I've tried using a pet or an offspring as analogies, only to get a reply of, "I'm not a dog" or "I'm not a child."  So I ask, what analogy should be used?  To me, an analogy doesn't mean you think the person is what you're analizing.  That's why it's an analogy :)

Now for your questions:


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For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? 


In some ways yes, in some ways no.  But my Master is my "home", my safe place.  Feeling dehumanized to him feels good.  In my past, feeling dehumanized did not feel good.

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How does it feel to be owned?


Awesome.  Where I belong.  Safe.  Strong.  Vulnerable.  Joyous.  Cared for.  Alive!!

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For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?


My Master gains complete control without me putting limitations on him.  It feeds his sense of power and his ego.  It makes him content.  It makes him happy and proud - of both himself and his slave.  He gets whatever he wants from her, that she is capable of giving, and he gets to enjoy watching his slave push herself for him, to stretch her mind and grow.  He doesn't like being told no, which is why he prefers a slave.  (Disclaimer - our definition of slave)

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For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?


I have mixed feelings about this.  My first inclination was to say society as a whole places more value on inanimate property than on human life.  We have become numb as a society to murder, rape, and other acts of cruelty put on each other.  We toss out those lives we do not want, or that are inconvenient to us - Our elderly are in various assisted living and convelescent homes, our babies are in daycare, our criminals are put to death...

But hot damn, if you lose your possessions or if someone damages or steals them - we really react.  I've learned this from personal experience, having lost every possession I had last year.  It gave me great perspective on what's important, that I would not have understood until I suffered it.

Mind you, the more enlightened I've become about my life, the more enlightened people I come across.  Like attracts like, I believe, which is why I have a healthier group of friends now and I'm seeing the world differently.  But I do believe society as a whole appears to value its possessions far too much, however if push came to shove, one would find more and more individuals who cherished human life above "things."

This was an interesting set of questions.  Thanks for putting them out there.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 10:21:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll just be all off topic and say I think assisted living for older people can also be the BEST place for people to be to allow older people the maintanence of their independence with the health care and attention they need from professionals better than what ordinary family members can give AND I think day care is completely great for kids to be able to grow and interact and allow parents to continue working.

Not to say I miss the point- just that I don't think a lot of it necessarily "tossing people out."

Although I do agree that the death sentence is pretty much exactly that.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 10:27:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

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It would cause extreme distress, and unhappiness for my Daddy who enjoys so much having a partner who can submit to him... but who also can function in any area of their life independently...


Is this a common view that subs have of slaves, that slaves are unable to function independantly of their Master?


I wasn't speaking of slaves, and their ability to function... I simply said... ... Daddy who enjoys so much having a partner who can submit to him... but who also can function in any area of their life independently... You read too much in... no harm or foul though... I owned a slave for 5 and a half years who functioned completely independently from me at work where he is in a very powerful position, and is required to be a very dominant figure...but out of work he chose to be my slave... to give up every decision in his life beyond work to me... now am I saying this is indicitive to what a slave is.... no... it was the slave he was... and I would not have had him any other way... nor could he have functioned any other way. and to side bar... I owned him, and there isn't a price that could have been put on him for me. 
  

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 10:38:36 PM   
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So to be a slave even if I desired it would not be a possiblity for me... not only would it go against every fiber of my being... It would cause extreme distress, and unhappiness for my Daddy who enjoys so much having a partner who can submit to him... but who also can function in any area of their life independently...


Based on the full quote above as written in your first post I dont think it was that much of a leap to ask the question I did about a subs perceptions of slaves.  You state that you could not be a slave for two reasons, one it goes against every fibre in your being, two it would cause your Daddy distress because he needs someone who can function independently (the automatic inferrence being that slaves don't or can't and thats why your slavery would be harmful to him) ... your further clarification is appreciated though :)

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 10:43:57 PM   
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I'll just be all off topic and say I think assisted living for older people can also be the BEST place for people to be to allow older people the maintanence of their independence with the health care and attention they need from professionals better than what ordinary family members can give AND I think day care is completely great for kids to be able to grow and interact and allow parents to continue working.

Not to say I miss the point- just that I don't think a lot of it necessarily "tossing people out."

Although I do agree that the death sentence is pretty much exactly that.


After having frequently visited my grandmother, a great aunt, and an aunt-in-law at their assisted living centers, all of them quite nice, by the way, I saw far too many elderly folks who just sat there in their wheelchairs staring at nothing all day.  Yes, they can indeed be great.  They were great for those family members I visited, two of whom made the most of their time there and enjoyed it.  But my personal experiences (albeit limited) showed me that's not necessarily the norm.

There are lots of ways we toss our elderly out, though.  We cuss at them on the road, or behind them in line at the store or bank (they move and think a lot slower than we do), etc. I took care of two elderly people in their final years and saw it far too much.  The comments people will dare say to these folks can be downright cruel. 

So assisted living centers was just an example of how some people toss 'em out.  I wasn't intending to say they are bad.  But I'm glad you brought it up so I could clarify.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 10:58:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread, but it provoked thought and I wanted to hear what other subs and slaves felt about this... thank you to the person who wrote this and I hope you don't mind me lifting it and pasting it here again....

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My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but  I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about.


For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property?  How does it feel to be owned?
For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership.  Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you?
For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?
For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?


Erp, I swear I will never ever post the car analogy again, you make one little analogy...

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/11/2007 11:18:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession (like a car).

The quote could have said like a horse, like a boat, like a house.... it was the being a possession that was the important thing... not identifying what that possession might be, or comparing human value to a specific possessions (worth more than a hat but not as much as shoes), but the actual act of "reducing a human being to a possession".

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 12:39:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		A man owns a dog, his pet.  He trains the dog to live in his house.  He teaches the dog to do various tricks.  The dog sits by his side and he reaches down and pats the dog's head, scratches behind its ears unconsciously.  He takes the dog with him to the store, he takes the dog out for walks, he plays frisbee with it, he feeds it, he cleans up its mess.  He worries if the dog gets sick and takes it to the vet.  He never stays mad at the dog if it chews up the newspaper although he will discipline it.  He looks at his dog with affection.   He accepts the dog's unconditional affection for him without seeking an ulterior motive.  i have always maintained that if a man would treat his woman like he treats his beloved dog, she too would be waiting for him at the door with tail wagging and happily awaiting his every command.

in my thoughts on an 'ideal' Master i wrote "He sometimes doesn't know which He loves more, His woman or His Harley but He treats each with equal care and use."  my Master called His Harley "The Other Bitch" long before He met me.  He loves her, He cares for Her, she is a part of who He is.  i too am loved, cared for and He has allowed me to be a part of who He is.  Oh, being property is a very wonderful thing!

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 2:39:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread, but it provoked thought and I wanted to hear what other subs and slaves felt about this... thank you to the person who wrote this and I hope you don't mind me lifting it and pasting it here again....

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My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but  I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about.


For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property?  How does it feel to be owned?
For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership.  Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you?
For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?
For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?


I think the thing to remember is that although phrases like "owned" or "property" are used, they have a differrnt meaning for people who use them.

As one or two have already said being owned or property  is about being cherished, loved, protected etc. And has nothing what-so-ever to do with being seen as less than human, no serious owner would evet dare to say their slave is worth more or less than an inanimate object because they see their slaves as no less human than anoyone else.

There -are- forms of play which reduce the slave to objects but this is just play and for a time this is very erotic for both partners, but the point is that both partners "get it"-they know what they mean when they use words like "owned" or "property".

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 3:25:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although in this modern day and age only non-humans are owned, it was not always that way. Property can be human and was in Rome and Greece. However the owned one is  usually considered inferior to the Master. Maybe not in Ds games, but usually

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 3:59:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden
I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread....

Your forum etiquette is commendable.
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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden
For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?

For me it is a symbol of commitment and trust. 

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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden
What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?

On the lighter side - As a Master, without the negotiated boundaries of D/s, I am have more latitude to expand my slaves awareness and perspectives.  Metaphorically speaking, it is quicker to take someone to the edge (boundary) and jump off, teaching them to fly on the way down than it is to spend hours/days/years allying their fears of self-imposed limits in advance. 

On the dark side - As a sadist, with absolute obedience I can use fear.  Fear is good.  Fear equals suffering and it heightens the experience for both sadists, masochists, Masters and slaves.  Fear is one of my tools and I use it just as surely as I would a whip, chain or cage.  In fact, fear is more powerful than physical pain in some circumstances like waterboarding.  Without fear, you might as well take away all my BDSM gear because I often mix fear with much of what I do.  When a slave faces fear it proves trust.  Trust inspires love.  Love allows surrender.  Without surrender it's not TPE for me.
 
Note about cars: I confess, there was this one time my car disobeyed and wouldn’t start.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 4:23:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property?  How does it feel to be owned?
For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership.  Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you?
For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?
For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?


I was a slave for a time but it wasn't a good fit for me. It was rigorous and gruelling, even though the M made it clear I was a highly prized commodity. I prefer a closer interpersonal and personal relationship, and discovered that the Aba / yaldah thing works best for me. I don't mind being objectified on occasion. I like it even. It allows me to get out of the twisted circus in my head and simply act on a command.

As for ownership, it actually gives me a sense of security and belonging. It's not something I mind. M reminded me many times I was his property, in a prideful way, always followed by a caress or some sort of physical affection. Aba does not say "I own you" but when he calls me "yaldati" (my girl) it signifies who I belong to.

The importance of human life ... well. ~smiling~ By socieital standards, I don't pay much attention. Courts and politics and such bores me. What someone else thinks or believes isn't my affair unless it crosses into my territory; and at the moment, it's not, so I'm going to leave off the philosophical debate. It's too early and I haven't had enough coffee.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 4:32:41 AM   
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Although in this modern day and age only non-humans are owned, it was not always that way. Property can be human and was in Rome and Greece. However the owned one is  usually considered inferior to the Master. Maybe not in Ds games, but usually


As far as Greece or Rome are concerned that's true, but the difference is that slavery in BDSM is consentual. As far as the inferiority of slaves, I admit I'm not -totally- sure how that works (never having met a slave or owner to ask how it works) but, like I said, I think the terms are viewed in a different way by those who use them and that "owners" dont consider their "property" as inferior per se.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 4:59:20 AM   
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I would have absolutely no problem with being referred to as property at all. For me it is as simple as if you are owned, you are property.  This then of course leads to being comparable to other property that is owned, such as cars, houses, bonsai trees, whips, chains etc etc.
I have trouble seeing how it devalues me as a human being if i'm honest. 
I would be a little upset if i was classed as less valuable than a whip or His bonsai tree but if i was His most valued property or close then i see no issue at all.


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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 5:10:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property?  How does it feel to be owned?
For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership.  Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you?
For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?
For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?


How do I view slavery/ownership in others relationships?
 
   I think I am still trying to get an adequate/accurate view.  Even those in slave relationships seem to differ/vary in how they feel and view their individual dynamic. 
  I read some slaves talk about their relationship and feelings and think to myself> that seems so much like how I feel and live mine, as His submissive.
  Then others I read and its clear> that is not our dynamic or desire.
   So I guess my view is appreciative.
Appreciative that we all have commonalities that help us understand each others situations as well as differences to make us all unique and individual..
  If you are in a relationship that you are thriving in, helps and allows you to grow and evolve while giving you a place and the strength to express these feelings and desires we all have in WIIWD, then it doesn't really matter what its called....what matters is what the individuals involved feel and think, and how they choose to live it.
 
why was slavery not the right choice for me?

   Wasn't necessarily a choice I made not to.
What I feel is that I am most fulfilled & at my strongest and best when in submission to the authority of a dominant man in my intimate relationship.  When I am serving his needs and pleasing him. 
Yet, there are other relationships in my life that also make me feel strong and fulfilled in other ways...
   ...and thats about the point where I say " and this is where I get to feeling so complex as a humanbeing."
  ...and it becomes difficult to 'define' myself for others.
 
Interesting that I feel I am not his slave...yet it feels very right to call him Master....I feel it in my heart.
   Interesting ...that I know I am not his property, nor does he want me to be> yet I feel I am His.  When he calls me "My cyn"  or says " you are MINE"  I feel his possession of me to my core.  And my devotion and intensity to do anything and everything to please and serve his is JUST as special and genuine a when I read slaves speak about their service and devotion.
 
Does society place value on human life?
    ohh gawd...
another topic..for another time..
 

 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 5:30:29 AM   
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My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but  I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about.

I haev not heard of many TPE relationships where the slave is less than human.  I tink a lot of peple never in these sort of relationships hear the word property and ASSUME less than human. Both my boys are property, and very happy to be so. Fox takes comfort in knowing that he is owned property, because someone who owns property they wish to keep around for a long time will take good care of it. I take very good care of my things, my boys and my non-sentient objects. My boys are my prized and cherished possessions, and I feel that by owning them I have more responsability to keep them happy and safe rather than less.  They are my pets, and are treated as such. You also consider it owning a dog or a cat, even though every pet owner out there will tell you those 4 legged children are as much a part of the family as their 2 legged ones, eve if they are considered owned.

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For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?
For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?

I dont see a separation between ownership and submision. I dont buy into the only a slave can be owned and the differences between a submissive and a slave are their status as property. My boys are both slaves. Our bond is coser wince they are owned than it would be or was when they were just considered. Their collars have brought them clsoer to me.
As for society, that varies every time you open the newspaper.  I prefer theimportance I put on my owned boys lifes over anything society sems to place on those who consider themselves free.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 6:02:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am definitely my Master's property but that doesn't make me any less human.  I don't understand how it possibly could.  He decided to own me because he wanted to own a beautiful, intelligent woman.  If he wanted a TV he would have gotten that instead of a woman 

I've never felt dehumanized by my Master.  I've had other people act dehumanizing toward me because *they* saw a slave as less than human, and it seriously irritated me, but my Master assured me that he didn't see me the way those people did at all.  If anything he makes me feel like more of a woman, like the very archetypal incarnation of a woman, who belongs to her man.  And he makes me feel loved and cherished and protected...and he is wonderfully possessive too

In fact I think it would just kill me inside if he didn't want to own me, if he just wanted to be my Dominant and let me set the rules and boundaries.  I would feel like we were just play acting.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 6:04:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread, but it provoked thought and I wanted to hear what other subs and slaves felt about this... thank you to the person who wrote this and I hope you don't mind me lifting it and pasting it here again....

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My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but  I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about.


For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property?  How does it feel to be owned?
For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership.  Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you?
For owners, why is it important to own your submissive?  What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission?
For all, what importance do you think society places on human life?  On property value?


Before Master owned me, I owned myself.  I happily, willingly and with full knowledge gave that ownership over to my Master.
Being His makes me feel that I belong, I am wanted, needed, and when He grabs me by the back of the head and growls "you are mine" in my ear, my knees buckle.

Needless to say, I do not feel the least bit "dehumanized" or disrespected.

Sincerely,
minxy

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 6:12:22 AM   
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So to be a slave even if I desired it would not be a possiblity for me... not only would it go against every fiber of my being... It would cause extreme distress, and unhappiness for my Daddy who enjoys so much having a partner who can submit to him... but who also can function in any area of their life independently...


Based on the full quote above as written in your first post I dont think it was that much of a leap to ask the question I did about a subs perceptions of slaves.  You state that you could not be a slave for two reasons, one it goes against every fibre in your being, two it would cause your Daddy distress because he needs someone who can function independently (the automatic inferrence being that slaves don't or can't and thats why your slavery would be harmful to him) ... your further clarification is appreciated though :)



Glad you appreciated it... the only other thing I will add is that you might want to go back to my orginal post, and reread the first portion of it in where I define where I am personally coming from in reguards to your question... that might help smooth out any fuzzed edges you have on your understanding.



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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 6:22:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		 I don't have any fuzzy edges, I understand you completely, thankyou, both in your first post and this one, and appreciate your continued input.  This thread is not about my judgement of other's beliefs, in fact I said that, it was not my place to judge merely to listen.  I took a perfectly valid preposition out of a post (irrespective of its relevance to the entire context) because it prompted a further question, and asked a broad spectrum question as to whether it is a commonly held belief.  I don't recall judging that belief one way or the other, simply asked if it was a belief.

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