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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 6:23:58 AM

chellekitty

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you can't dehumanize a kitty...i am not human...

seriously though...i long to be owned, body, mind, heart and soul....need it, want it, require it...and what you own is your property...so why would i complain about the semantics to something so essential?

as for it being compared to owning a car...well thats just silly...not everything we own is equal...on the table in front of me, i own the salt in the salt shaker and i own the computer...they are not equal...the computer is at least a thousand times more valuable than the salt in the salt shaker...but i own them both, just the same...i also own my cat...i am responsible for his well being...not just his food and water and making sure he has a clean place to pee and poop, but also that he gets plenty of attention and love (he's a cuddle bug) and that he has other animals to play with that want to play with him (he thinks he's a dog)...i am taking care of his emotional well being along with the physical....but he is a cat...i own him (though there are some that would argue with that) he is infinately more valuable than the computer and i won't even compare him to the salt....now introduce a human that is owned into the equation...i am not demoralized one bit by being owned property....

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 6:42:43 AM

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Just as an observation: there are times when I wish people at various events WOULD treat subs and slaves as they would someone else's car! After all, in the parking lot, you might see people cast admiring looks at other people's cars, but you wouldn't see them jumping in, and starting it up, just to "see how it would feel."

Once they get into the event, or play party, however, suddenly many of those same people seem to think it's perfectly OK to touch and rub (and I've even seen spank) a sub who was standing there, minding his/her own business.

Worth more than a car? Yes. Respected as someone else's property? Often not!

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/12/2007 8:00:28 AM

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Its amazing we have become a throw away society. Not only with material items but with other people as well. I remember being raised that older people were valued for their wisdom and knowledge and treated with great respect not shoved away in a strange environment and in many cases ignored totally and forgotten. My mom will be 90 this February and she still lives on her own , shops and cooks for herself. She doesn't drive, but likes the idea of keeping her liscense up to date. My sister takes her shopping once a week as thats "their time together" and they have lunch ect.
Daycare centers are great and in some situations both parents have to work. Parents still need to be parents though when the time calls for it..parents will be parents til the day they die..talk about a lifelong committment!
As a slave of Masters ( Vanatru), I know he values my abilities and intellect as well as my sense of humor and tenderness. He treats me as a human first, with respect, love, honor, honesty, and guiding me to be more pleasing to him as he changes and grows. Thats my view on this thread.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 12:44:54 AM

Wickad

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quote:

ORIGINAL: petdave

i value my cars much more highly than i value most people. They do what i ask, as long as i take care of them and am sensitive to their needs. In some ways they're far more powerful than i am; yet in other ways, they are extremely fragile. If i ask them to wait for me, they will wait, and begrudge me nothing... up to a point. Then, no matter how much they want to serve me, they begin to fail, and only my labor can bring them back to health. i've bled for every vehicle i own.

You could do a lot worse than to be valued as a car.

I couldn't agree more - ty.

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PS - so I guess this also answers MidnightMaiden's question as to if this attitude applies to women

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 4:13:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: treehugger42

*sits back and waits for slaves to come insist "NO WAY my master could totally cut off my arm and I'm just an object"*... yarr, and I'd like mine to get me some shiny new spinning rims.

Um...no. But then, i would not have given myself to Him if i thought He were inclined to do that. And i'd be checking His basement for a pod.

i am valuable. He would do nothing to lessen my value.

As for fantasy, not so much. He does not manage every minute of my day, but then He has no desire to. He does control my carnal side, He owns that completely. That control and the security of my place with Him are comforting to me.

He did compare me to His shiny new Avalanche, saying that while He could take it off-road and drive the crap out of it, He wouldn't because it would become damaged and scratched and not be nice anymore. In the same way, He will not do anything to permanently damage me. And at least He compared me to a beautiful, shiny new truck and not a beat up old Pacer. LOL!

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 4:46:06 AM

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To my way of thinking a slave is property, and therefore cannot own a computer, or a car or house or a business or for that matter anything. Whether it is dehumanized is up to the Owner of the slave. So following this to its conclusion anyone who claims to be a slave must forego all their rights to own anything, even self will.

As far as I am concerned the consensual aspect of slavery stops at the moment of submission. After submission the Master's will is the only will a slave should obey.

By the way I am not saying all this as flame bait, I have been owned and I lived by these tenets, not through choice but because as property I had no other option. Oh, and finally, my first Master sold me to me second, so in that respect I truly was property.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 4:46:17 AM

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If I'm equivalent to a car, then I had better be a Ferrari or a Maserati, something extremely valuable to him, that gets whatever is needed to be kept in top shape and protected. I'm not interested in being just some used car that he doesn't care if it gets dented or rusted.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 12:24:53 PM

slaveofKaos

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I don't feel dehumanized when reffered to as property. I love the feeling of being Owned, it's a great feeling.I have been compared to a car in the past, and no I did not like being compared to it, it just hurt my feelings. I am a slave but i'm still a person and would like to think i'm worth more than a vechile, especially as a slave since Master say's there are few that could compare. I personally think society is split I think a lot of people place a lot of value on property, but if need will place a higher value on life.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 12:36:21 PM

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I always see the car (or any inanimate object) analogy as just that, an analogy. We don't have experience as a society with owning human beings as property so we must compare it to property we *do* have experience with. I would personally be flattered if my Master chose to compare to something he considered highly valuably (like a car.) Not because i feel he sees me in the same light as a car but because it means he sees me as valuable and found the best comparison he could.

But i LOVE being refered to as property. I don't feel dehumanized at all. I feel more like a valued human being that he can treat me as i desire to be treated. I've seen far less loving relationships between two people where the man would never compare his wife to a car but still values the car more than her. In my mind it has less to do with what is said as the intention behind it. If my Master was trying to make me feel like less of a person he probably could with a statement like that. But i know that his calling me his property does not mean he sees me as less than human and so i am proud that he sees fit to own me.

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RE: Worth more than a car - 11/13/2007 4:18:56 PM

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I'm no more similar to a car than my Master's computer is similar to his kitten. The only thing any of the four have in common is that they are owned. I'm not a feline, a computer can't be driven, and a feline is not electronic. I never understood how being owned is equated with being dehumanized - people have been owned for millennia.

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