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sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 12:47:30 AM

fit2pleaseu

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a question.....one i would like to hear your opinions on please.
HOW MANY SUBS BECOME SLAVES.....?
AND WHY.....?

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 12:49:37 AM

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i'm submissive because that's who i am.

i'm a slave because that's what Daddy wishes me to be for him.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 12:52:57 AM

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It's much the same for me as for kitten.
I am submissive by nature, and a slave to Master George becuase he wishes it.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 1:31:54 AM

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Kinda like asking how many women become wives - with the "why" being a committment.

You stand alone as a sub (or Dom/me) but to be a slave (or Master) implies a relationship requiring the validation of another to be true.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 2:33:55 AM

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My take on it is that a slave gives up all rights and freedom..where as a sub works under some restrictions or have i been mislead lol.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 2:55:38 AM

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I only intended for my relationship to be one of Dominant/submissive. Initially I believed I wanted to have a certain amount of control in the relationship, being a fiercly independant woman who has always had to look out for herself, I didn't want to give that up. Nobody had taken care of me in the past, why should that start now? And I felt that placing myself in a submissive situation, those self preservation instincts would be needed more than ever. When I met the man who became Master I was clear with him about that. And then I got to know him, and realized the full extent of his care as Master, and I started experiencing something that another described beautifully on these forums "effortless bliss". For every notion of freedom I surrendered, I gained real emotional freedom. I lost nothing but fear and insecurity, and gained more than I can ever put into words... and that's only how I feel about me, that's not even starting on how I feel about him :) I will never understand the rewards my Master receives, for I feel that the shackles he adopted, the weight of his responsibilities, are far heavier than any restraints placed upon me.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 3:26:35 AM

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submissive is who i am and submissive is where i shall stay

i wasn't cut out to be a slave

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 5:36:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden

I only intended for my relationship to be one of Dominant/submissive. Initially I believed I wanted to have a certain amount of control in the relationship, being a fiercly independant woman who has always had to look out for herself, I didn't want to give that up. Nobody had taken care of me in the past, why should that start now? And I felt that placing myself in a submissive situation, those self preservation instincts would be needed more than ever. When I met the man who became Master I was clear with him about that. And then I got to know him, and realized the full extent of his care as Master, and I started experiencing something that another described beautifully on these forums "effortless bliss". For every notion of freedom I surrendered, I gained real emotional freedom. I lost nothing but fear and insecurity, and gained more than I can ever put into words... and that's only how I feel about me, that's not even starting on how I feel about him :) I will never understand the rewards my Master receives, for I feel that the shackles he adopted, the weight of his responsibilities, are far heavier than any restraints placed upon me.

I so love this post, Maiden. Thank you for putting random thoughts and feelings into perspective.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 5:45:50 AM

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I'm just a slave at heart and always have been.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 5:52:05 AM

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I was a submissive until I met my Master...he told me from the beginning that he was a Master not a Dominant and that he would enslave me completely. At the time I didn't even know what he meant by that...I thought that I had always submitted completely...but even now a bit over a month later I already feel my state of mind has changed. I don't want to be dominated, I don't want to be controlled...I want to be owned.

I know that people say it's just semantics because in a free society nobody can own someone else but it's not about a legal status, it's about my state of mind. I want to exist for him, and be his completely, and I want him to force me to obey if I try to refuse.

It's the strangest feeling...I've never felt anything so intense before with a man...even the times I was in love with someone doesn't compare to wanting to be owned by my Master. I know I can't explain it in words so I might as well give up here but...to answer the OP yes I was a submissive and now I'm a slave. I guess the 'why' is because I met a Master who decided to make me one

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 5:54:07 AM

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i still don't know if i am considered a slave or a sub. either way, i enjoy my relationship with my partner/husband/Master more than ever.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 6:03:09 AM

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how many, i have no idea....

i have been a slave my whole adult life and we will start there...about 4 months after i turned 18, he put the collar on my neck the symbolized the enslavement that had already happened...and two months later i finally got all my stuff together and moved in with him...a year and a half later, he turned over my ownership to someone else who didn't really want it...and a year later i was released fully....oh goody, freshly 21, and my Owner had abandoned me and my Master had released me....now can you tell me why i did not want to be a slave for the next 3 years? i struggled with the title and between slave and submissive, servant, bottom and massochist, the only thing i could decide on was masochist....though i do have elements of all of them....i am a slave at heart and am not truely content without being in a Master/slave relationship, happy comes and goes, but i need to be content all the time....i have found a man that saw that in me...and was willing to argue with me about my nature...that it wasn't me...well, it was in that, i picked crappy men...but...for once it was all of them...

so....did i answer your question?

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 7:31:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu

My take on it is that a slave gives up all rights and freedom..where as a sub works under some restrictions or have i been mislead lol.

Each couple or group in the dynamic will define it differently.

Fox does not give up all his rights and freedom -- simply speaking, he cannot legally do that in the society in which we live and I prefer to live in reality not in the fantasy of what I may or may not want to do.

However in our dynamic we have rules we live my and authority is given to me in many many things but only those things that I want. We took our time to learn about each other and entered into a slave-owner dynamic because what I wanted to exercise authority over matched what he wanted to give authority over.

It has changed, extended itself over time as our bond has deepened and the years have passed. For example, in the first couple of years while he was in school I didn't want any authority over any job or classes he might take; now I have that authority and could say "quit this job" or "commute for this job" or "find a new job."

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 7:41:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu

a question.....one i would like to hear your opinions on please.
HOW MANY SUBS BECOME SLAVES.....?
AND WHY.....?

I would imagine it is a difficult thing to try and figure out. I am sure that there are many slaves out there who feel that they started out as submissive and wound up as a slave. BUT...when they get around others, these others don't view them as slaves. Does it matter? Probably only to the ones involved.

You note later that you have always felt that slaves have no rights. Many on here feel that same way and yet , there are those who classify themselves as slaves or as having a slave "heart" who refuse to give up certain rights.

xoxi stated that her Master told her that he was a Master and not a dominant. I am sure you can find that there are many dominants on here and not on here who are called "Master" by the ones they own/dominate and who feel that they have earned that title. I can state that I have never owned a slave but was still considered a Master by the submissives I have owned.

A lot of it is semantics and how you view it. I don't wish to own a slave WITHIN the context of how I view a slave to me as being. I can think of slaves on here who would probably be a joy to own. So, like almost everything else in this lifestyle, there is room for paradox...

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 8:05:37 AM

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I have no idea how many people cross categories but, I can tell you it runs both ways.

Many that thought they were slaves, find they are more gratified as an extreme submissive.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 8:08:01 AM

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I am not a sub..never was a sub...never will be a sub. Subs are elongated bread rolls filled with deli meats and cheeses and can be purchased at Blimpies or Quiznos.

I submit to Master Archer, as his slave. I do not have a natural submissive personality.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 8:23:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu

a question.....one i would like to hear your opinions on please.
HOW MANY SUBS BECOME SLAVES.....?
AND WHY.....?

I am not a label. I am myself. If another wishes to push a label on me so that they can better understand; go for it. It does not change who I am though.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 8:32:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Elegant

I am not a sub..never was a sub...never will be a sub. Subs are elongated bread rolls filled with deli meats and cheeses and can be purchased at Blimpies or Quiznos.

I submit to Master Archer, as his slave. I do not have a natural submissive personality.

LOL

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 2:15:43 PM

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I have aspects of both. I am my own person who lives how I am able to live and how Aerith wants me to live.

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RE: sub/slaves - 11/12/2007 2:19:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant

I am not a sub..never was a sub...never will be a sub. Subs are elongated bread rolls filled with deli meats and cheeses and can be purchased at Blimpies or Quiznos.

I submit to Master Archer, as his slave. I do not have a natural submissive personality.

or large metal water proof tanks that can withstand high amounts of pressure...don't forget those subs either...i like metal more than bread....its much more fun to chew on and has less calories...

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