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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 2:30:44 AM   
MsLilac


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ORIGINAL: wankerforuse

and not for the love of it? As in my mind a proper domme does it for the love of it as it is in her blood something that is natural to her being dominant that is,cause it's in her genes her genetic makeup.A lady who does if for money is nothing more than an oscar nominated actress in my opinion,and not a dominant lady at all.She's just a money making machine.



Wanker, thank you for sharing your personal conjecture regarding the way it should be. I found it very insightful, no really, I did. The way you used both science and psychology to support your meanderings was sheer poetry.

Of course, no one who is gainfully employed could be call a “money making machine”. Kudos to you for your own benevolent attitude towards your work, it’s good to hear that you are not in it for the money. I bet your employers are glad you will work without financial compensation.

Methinks you already know the answer to the questions you pose, really it is self explanatory. If wankers brain is having trouble comprehending the answer, I strongly direct you to the search feature, up in the top right hand corner. Use that, and you will find hundreds, possibly millions of similar threads (this year alone), all with the same intention, all with the same result. That will answer any questions you have, that’s if you want to hear them. But, I suspect for you, it wont have the same satisfaction you are getting now, by putting the pigeon amongst the cats.

A word of advice, if you feel some dire need to start a ‘debate’ on a topic that has been hashed out here to death and then some, (even in my short time here), try and pose your question in a more constructive manner, and don’t use dodgy, anecdotal biology to support some spurious ‘thought up in the last 5 minutes’ hypothesis.

Otherwise, just ignore the profiles and Ladies that are demanding you pay money for their service, and don't give them another thought.

But for you personally, I strongly suggest you put up some cash, wanker.


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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 2:32:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the thing. Like a lot of the genetic ladies here I should expect, I get lots of mail telling me exactly what I want to hear acording to what's in my profile text. So, I think hooray and get my hopes up - only to find that the respondent really only wants an hour or two play before trotting back to his wife or girlfriend, or to satisfy himself before trotting back to his internet connection and comic books. This only has to occur a couple of times for me to think that a change in strategy is required, though it takes a few more times before it is changed.

So, here's the new deal. You get to pay me - regardless of protestations of how true you might be. If you're just after some casual play and dont want to pay - you get nothing and can try elsewhere. If you're after some casual play and will pay - great, we both get something. If you're really serious, you won't mind paying twice or more, until I'm sure you're serious. 

Sounds harsh perhaps. But its a seller's market.

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 3:18:28 AM   
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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 3:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Goddess I am sick of these "how dare those shameless tarts make money out of BDSM" whining threads!

Because female Domination is a valuable service.  Submissives should at least reciprocate that value.  What can you do for your Domme that's worth $200 - 300 per hour?  That 1000s of other guys wouldn't gratefully do for free?

Its a free market economy, Mr Wanker.

PS I don't charge and never have.  But I admire the pro-dommes I know personally enormously and I think they do a great job. They offer value for moneyand their clients love them (and come back over and over).  They charge because clients so happily pay.  If so many guys didn't want to pay, pro-dommes would disappear.


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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 4:10:21 AM   
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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 4:23:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FlaPlaya561

There are soooo many from my area that do this for the money only! 


That may be, but I guarantee there are also a LOT more guys who are only looking to be able to come, play for a couple hours, then go back to their lives with no strings attached, who are shelling out to go see these ProDommes because they're bright enough to understand that you don't get something for nothing.

Business 101 - supply and demand.

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 4:47:03 AM   
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no - I just cant do it!

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 7:03:13 AM   
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Cloudboy, if you were on the receiving end of some of the emails or face to face suggestions, you wouldn't think of male subs as victims at all. M



Yes, I can imagine, but I am talking about malesubs, not nut-job men seeking a quick lay or treating you like an object.

Here's an analogy. I just sold an old computer on craigslist recently, and the first five responses I received were from spammers. If I lumped the spammers together with buyers, I would be making a mistake. In other words, I could not make a generalization about serious buyers on craigslist based on spammers/scammers.

So I would argue we are talking about different people and different things here (malesubs v. players.)

In my experience, the sixth (6th) email was from a legitimate buyer and I sold my old computer pronto.

In one day I learned quickly how to spot the language of a spammer/scammer ---- and won't waste my time on them in the future.

I still stand by my point, the struggles of malesubs are not first and foremost based in their bad attitudes --- they are based in the social demographics.

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 7:12:56 AM   
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Cloudboy, if you were on the receiving end of some of the emails or face to face suggestions, you wouldn't think of male subs as victims at all. M



Yes, I can imagine, but I am talking about malesubs, not nut-job men seeking a quick lay or treating you like an object.

Here's an analogy. I just sold an old computer on craigslist recently, and the first five responses I received were from spammers. If I lumped the spammers together with buyers, I would be making a mistake. In other words, I could not make a generalization about serious buyers on craigslist based on spammers/scammers.

So I would argue we are talking about different people and different things here (malesubs v. players.)

In my experience, the sixth (6th) email was from a legitimate buyer and I sold my old computer pronto.

In one day I learned quickly how to spot the language of a spammer/scammer ---- and won't waste my time on them in the future.

I still stand by my point, the struggles of malesubs are not first and foremost based in their bad attitudes --- they are based in the social demographics.


So you base your thoughts on the minority not the majority? Now I don't argue you have a point there are SOME subs on the site who arn't the same as players. But let me give you a -small- example. I've been on the site for over 2 years now, I used to answer a majority of sub who wrote me, even though who where a bit dodgy for the HOPE I'd find a serious slave. IN all that time Im only now with ONE slave who's been tried and true. So dosn't the opinion of most of these ladies say there are more players then subs, or that subs think by doing exactly whats stated in this thread they might find a Miss bowing to THIER needs rather then the way it should be?


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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 8:06:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wankerforuse

and not for the love of it? As in my mind a proper domme does it for the love of it as it is in her blood something that is natural to her being dominant that is,cause it's in her genes her genetic makeup.A lady who does if for money is nothing more than an oscar nominated actress in my opinion,and not a dominant lady at all.She's just a money making machine.


The same reason prostitutes charge for sex.

I love to fuck but if I could get paid for it, you bet the shit I would.



I bet you would, somehow the chances you actually will............. hmnmmm

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 8:09:36 AM   
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Ummm, M, I want smoked gouda!!!!
Yeah, but what would you do for it?!   M



My bad, I thought you were offering me some for free.....from the boys, I don't think from some of these here there are trucks big enough to cart that load in.....

edited to add: I would share with the Ladies, I figured we all needed something to go with the whine.

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 8:21:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

Cloudboy, if you were on the receiving end of some of the emails or face to face suggestions, you wouldn't think of male subs as victims at all. M



Yes, I can imagine, but I am talking about malesubs, not nut-job men seeking a quick lay or treating you like an object.

Here's an analogy. I just sold an old computer on craigslist recently, and the first five responses I received were from spammers. If I lumped the spammers together with buyers, I would be making a mistake. In other words, I could not make a generalization about serious buyers on craigslist based on spammers/scammers.

So I would argue we are talking about different people and different things here (malesubs v. players.)

In my experience, the sixth (6th) email was from a legitimate buyer and I sold my old computer pronto.

In one day I learned quickly how to spot the language of a spammer/scammer ---- and won't waste my time on them in the future.

I still stand by my point, the struggles of malesubs are not first and foremost based in their bad attitudes --- they are based in the social demographics.


That's not even close.  In your analogy, you have to include:

People who tell you they have the computer you need, negotiate with you for weeks, then show  up and they have a different computer.
People who never had a computer in the first place but insist you talk on the phone, and once you do for an hour, ask you how much you are willing to pay for their iron.
People who negotiate in what appears to be good faith and make several appointments to meet you, you drive out of your way, they don't show up, then they call later and say there was an emergency and want to reschedule
People who write to you and say they don't have a computer, but they have a microwave, and when you tell them you don't want a microwave, they start hurling insults at you
People who negotiate with you for days and you realize they are selling you their wife's computer (behind her back)

The list goes on and on.  Who cares about the men that write and say "Will u fuck my ass plz mistress I am vry obedient."  Sure, those are easy to delete.   Anyone can delete spam.  The fact of the matter is that submissive men will never understand what it's like.   All submissive men can imagine is that they think it must be "nice" to have so much email from potential partners, even if it's garbage - hey, it's mail. 

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 9:07:21 AM   
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Cloudboy, if you were on the receiving end of some of the emails or face to face suggestions, you wouldn't think of male subs as victims at all. M

Yes, I can imagine, but I am talking about malesubs, not nut-job men seeking a quick lay or treating you like an object.
Very true, but we are responding to a post from a wanker/probably nut job man lacking courtship skills, and that is why the answers are as we state, and not necessarily meant for the actual male submissives out there who respect and want to submit to women.
I've always maintained that respectful gentlemen (who know how at least how to approach women), rarely if ever are asked to pay, especially prior to any conversation.  
...And based on the minority number of male subs, I don't think the ratio is that imbalanced at all between male subs and fem doms.   M

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 9:20:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		 I don't Domme for money because my current career is lucrative and fullfilling enough. But, if it wasn't I would see nothing wrong with doing it. Hell...isn't that the point? To find a job that gives you lots of money while doing something you love? Why not?

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 9:22:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Action: First, I like your posting and what you have to say here on the MB, so I would not deny your experience. No doubt there are challenges in finding a good partner.

On the other hand, the two ladies in my life (wife and Mistress) simply have never reported undo problems with men and courtship, and each has relied on the internet to get started.

For them the steps are simple: a few emails after which they schedule a meet. After the meet, they make a relationship decision. Bing-bang-boom.

On craigslist, what I learned is that if someone gives you their phone number, they are serious about buying. I think the same is true in the dating market, if a guy gives you his phone number, you know he's good candidate to back up what he says.

The protocols to delineate players from real interested parties are easy to identify and implement.

Neither my wife (20 years together) or Mistress (3.5 years together) has experienced any of the crazy problems Aakasha describes in her somewhat hyperbolic email below --- which is not to deny that nut job men prowl the market -- but rather to point out with just a few common sense steps --- a woman can bypass them altogether.

With good judgment and something to offer, I think malesubs and femdoms can succeed, but facts are still facts where the demographics are concerned. Malesubs operate from a strick numbers disadvantage, period. The ratio may be as disparate as 2-1 if not worse. (Femdom to malesub.) This, as opposed to having a "bad attitude," plays a larger role for us on our side of the equation.

I will maintain to the bitter end that its unfair to lump malesubs into the same bunch of men who pose as malesubs for quick sex. This is a mischaracterization. Its like putting the scammers in the same boat as buyers.

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FullfigRIMaam:

Very true, but we are responding to a post from a wanker/probably nut job man lacking courtship skills, and that is why the answers are as we state, and not necessarily meant for the actual male submissives out there who respect and want to submit to women.
I've always maintained that respectful gentlemen (who know how at least how to approach women), rarely if ever are asked to pay, especially prior to any conversation.

...And based on the minority number of male subs, I don't think the ratio is that imbalanced at all between male subs and fem doms.


Maybe we need to pull our accountants into this to sort it out!!! (Not sure if you noticed it, but a while back I referred to your old Madonna-Whore thread in one of my many arguments with Aakasha.)

As for my own situation, I feel a lot more lucky than "good." Yes, attitude and approach were important, but blind luck played the leading role. Lot's of malesubs simply don't get lucky, and after a few years they naturally get discouraged. I can't subscribe to Aakasha's "just world" world theory which blames the losers for their misfortune ---- and which finds the reasons for malesub failure strictly in "character flaws."


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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 11:26:08 AM   
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To be successful in any business you have to consider supply and demand.  Every professional does it, thats part of how they gage their worth, value, etc.
There are professional male doms, not as many, true, but then again you have to look at the demand.



Since when did BDSM become a business? I thought it was a "lifestyle." Am I wrong?

The route you are going is bordering prostitution. Just because you dont have intercourse with your clients doesnt mean that it isn't prostitution. Hookers that only give handjobs arnt having sex either yet if they are getting paid for getting the guy off....guess what...that's prostitution.

Straight from Webster's Dictionary on defining "Prostitution.":
1. The act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire.
2. The act or an instance of offering or devoting one's talent to an unworthy use or cause.

Notice it says nothing about intercourse....

Now I'm not bashing your choice. It's your life and you can live it how you wish. I couldnt care less what you choose to do. But lets call a duck a duck... You are charging a guy $300 an hour or more to cater to his sexual fetishes. What do you think the average person in society is going to call that?

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 11:38:38 AM   
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To be successful in any business you have to consider supply and demand.  Every professional does it, thats part of how they gage their worth, value, etc.
There are professional male doms, not as many, true, but then again you have to look at the demand.



Since when did BDSM become a business? I thought it was a "lifestyle." Am I wrong?

A lot of people would say this isn't a lifestyle. They live their life and this is just part of it. I refer to BDSM as a lifestlye but that doesn't make me right. However, I also don't spend every second of every day in shackles, naked, calling myself a whore and begging for beatings.

So I wouldn't consider what people pay pro-dommes for a "lifestyle". And, by the way, it's been a business since someone realized that people would pay 100+ for good bondage toys. Just like weddings are big business.
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The route you are going is bordering prostitution. Just because you dont have intercourse with your clients doesnt mean that it isn't prostitution. Hookers that only give handjobs arnt having sex either yet if they are getting paid for getting the guy off....guess what...that's prostitution.

That depends on if they have a sexual reaction to BDSM activities. Some people don't. I tend to but not everyone does. For many people it is a release and some cultures use practices that are similar or exactly the same as BDSM activities for religious practices.
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Straight from Webster's Dictionary on defining "Prostitution.":
1. The act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire.
2. The act or an instance of offering or devoting one's talent to an unworthy use or cause.

Notice it says nothing about intercourse....


No but it does say "sex acts". How you define a sex act is entirely up to you but I am not comfortable saying that anything that arouses me is a sex act. Otherwise the nice people I pay to wash, dye and cut my hair are prostitutes.

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Now I'm not bashing your choice. It's your life and you can live it how you wish. I couldnt care less what you choose to do. But lets call a duck a duck... You are charging a guy $300 an hour or more to cater to his sexual fetishes. What do you think the average person in society is going to call that?

I dunno. What does the average person in society call us (me and you) for enjoying pain for free and wanting to serve?

I don't put a lot of weight on what the average person in society calls a lot of what we do.

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 12:13:07 PM   
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I just feel as though money cheapens the whole thing and has attracted people to this that otherwise would have nothing to do with it.

Almost like paying someone to be your best friend.

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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 12:20:04 PM   
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RE: Just out of interest why do you ladies dominate for... - 11/13/2007 12:39:58 PM   
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On the other hand, the two ladies in my life (wife and Mistress) simply have never reported undo problems with men and courtship, and each has relied on the internet to get started.

For them the steps are simple: a few emails after which they schedule a meet. After the meet, they make a relationship decision. Bing-bang-boom. 


A very valid assumption, cloudboy, but please bear in mind that we are addressing this particular OP who has a pretty obvious profile and he is questioning why Dommes expect pay.
A few emails and perhaps a phone call (local) and I schedule a meet, if the emails bear out the worthwhileness of My time.  How about when I get stood up?  I am careful about scheduling that meet, and it is all based upon the attitude.  With that, I am still stood up or I do find that they claimed they were offering a computer and understood what "computer" means, and then it turns out all they have is the microwave in which I have no interest.  But, it only cost Me some time, so *shrug*
 
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On craigslist, what I learned is that if someone gives you their phone number, they are serious about buying. I think the same is true in the dating market, if a guy gives you his phone number, you know he's good candidate to back up what he says.


I am afraid you are really off the mark here.  We are not talking about buying, anyway.  If we were, there would be no problem.  We are talking about potential relationships, and the fact that this OP obviously has little interest in that.  I get phone numbers all the time.  When they have never even written to Me before!  In this genre, getting a phone number does not mean that they are a good candidate to back up what they say.  In fact, they have usually said little, except that they would love to talk and "here's is my phone #.
They are not a good candidate for anything except that they want to hear My voice telling them what I would do to them as they are frantically jerking off.  They get off for free while I even paid for the long distance call?
I have a nightflirt line for that.  If they want to pay $1.77 per minute, I am willing to have a good time along with them!  I am reasonable, but I also only take calls by appointment!  Guess that make Me a Pro! 

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The protocols to delineate players from real interested parties are easy to identify and implement.


Yes, they are.  I have it all layed out in My profile, yet I am told that I am too picky.  And that doesn't even stop the wankers from sending the phone numbers and ignoring everything I am seeking.  By damned, they are going to convince Me, in 25 words or less that I really want that microwave! 

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Neither my wife (20 years together) or Mistress (3.5 years together) has experienced any of the crazy problems Aakasha describes in her somewhat hyperbolic email below --- which is not to deny that nut job men prowl the market -- but rather to point out with just a few common sense steps --- a woman can bypass them altogether.


And I bypass them also.  I'm not calling it a problem.  I am calling it a pain in the ass and one of things I have to sort through if I choose to use a site like collarme to make potential connections.  It doesn't mean that I am not getting the email, begging or being rude.  I just ignore it.  But there are a lot of Ladies who will meet for a fee, or set up the Pro session.  When that is what someone like the OP is seeking, then that is what he is going to get.  Either no response, or a response giving the hourly rate.

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With good judgment and something to offer, I think malesubs and femdoms can succeed, but facts are still facts where the demographics are concerned. Malesubs operate from a strick numbers disadvantage, period. The ratio may be as disparate as 2-1 if not worse. (Femdom to malesub.) This, as opposed to having a "bad attitude," plays a larger role for us on our side of the equation.


Male subs, IMO, are not operating from a numbers disadvantage.  They are operating from a compatibility disadvantage.  This OP wants to meet with someone (or more than one) weekly to get his jollies.  For all I know he is casual enough that if he meets with 4 different Ladies each month, that is good for him!  Now he doesn't understand why there are not tons of Ladies out there who are also interested in doing him weekly for the love of it.   Unfortunately, for many, with what they do have to offer (please re-read the OP's profile) they are going to be limited to the Ladies who will play with him on his weekly schedule for a fee.  All he is offering is a body to be abused.  He seems to feel that this is all he has to offer.  I don't know who he is approaching or how.  But if he approached Me with a request to Me, and I looked at his profile, I would pass him by.  He is not what I am looking for.  If Dominas are writing to him, with that profile, it is because the profile is an obvious invitation to try to pick up a client.  Unless he proves his mettle as a nice guy who is willing to get out into the community and do more than offer his body once a week for thrills and chills, these are is options.  Unless he gets really lucky, that is!

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I will maintain to the bitter end that its unfair to lump malesubs into the same bunch of men who pose as malesubs for quick sex. This is a mischaracterization. Its like putting the scammers in the same boat as buyers.
 

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FullfigRIMaam:

Very true, but we are responding to a post from a wanker/probably nut job man lacking courtship skills, and that is why the answers are as we state, and not necessarily meant for the actual male submissives out there who respect and want to submit to women.
I've always maintained that respectful gentlemen (who know how at least how to approach women), rarely if ever are asked to pay, especially prior to any conversation.

...And based on the minority number of male subs, I don't think the ratio is that imbalanced at all between male subs and fem doms.


M already said it in a lot less words than I just used.


< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 11/13/2007 12:57:39 PM >

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