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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/13/2007 10:59:40 AM   
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Hi folks,

This may be a little pedantic, but I think there's a few semantics that need to be addressed.  First, "to dominate" is an action, an activity.  Everyone dominates someone or something in the course of their daily lives; (good) parents dominate their children, employers (at least occasionally) dominate their employees, salespeople dominate customers.  The question isn't if we do it, but rather how we do it (and ideally, how do we do it better, when we choose to do so.)  A dominant (in BDSM), is not necessarily an inherently a dominant person.  Rather, it is the term we acribe to an individual who enjoys holding authority in a relationship.  We don't assess if they are particularly good at the act of domination before we ascribe this term (though after the fact it's not uncommon to simply say that Bob Schmuckatelli isn't a very good dominant.) 

So  as I mentioned in the original post, one doesn't become a Buddhist simply by saying "I am a Buddist."  (Insert your favorite religion here, if you prefer.)  One may embrace the concept of Buddhism based on what they understand of it, and proclaim themselves now Buddhist; but it is through study, reflection, and meditation that one actually becomes Buddhist.  This is the crux of the conversation here.

The best advice I can give does incorporate what others have said: a dominant is at his best, when he/she is being themselves.  But there's more to it than that; regardless of our role, we are at our best when we are ourselves, especially when we are being the best 'us' we can be.  This doesn't provide much insight into the actual skills or mentality of a dominant. 

For me, I sum it up with a word; taking responsibility.  Consider if you ask a teenager to clean the kitchen.  What do you usually expect?  The trash might go out, the dishes might get washed, the counter might get cleaned up.  If they're feeling particularly motivated, the floor might even get swept.  Compare this to (what I consider to be) the mindset of a good dominant; I look at the kitchen, and think "what is the most cleaning I can do in the time I have?"  This means dishes, trash, counter, and floors; but it also means fixing the leaky faucet, wiping all that gunk at the bottom of the fridge, organizing that back corner that always has a pile of junk, wiping EVERYTHING down, mopping the floor, and leaving it in a state that isn't just clean, but at it's shiny best.  This doesn't spring from a well of handi-maid skills; it comes from a mindset and mentality that states "I don't simply accept responsibility, I take responsibility for everything in my charge."  This means I'm not simply mildly interested in the various activities that my slave engages in; it means I take special pride in the things she does well, and special concern in the things that she does not.  Obviously, not everyone has a need or desire for that depth of intimacy; but I believe it's a necessary ingrediant for healthy and stable D/s relationships.

In short, a good dominant dominates...by taking charge, and accepts responsibility (and to that end, accountability) for all aspects of the relationship.  This doesn't mean the submissive has no role to play; it simply means that role is, by and large, defined by the dominant.

Stephan

(p.s. Stephan, on CM, was taken by some nigerian slave who vanished after a day.  That's why my nick here is 'Stephann')


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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/13/2007 11:09:15 AM   
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"This person makes me feel safe. He makes me feel accepted. He makes me feel wanted. He speaks to my mind. He is intellectual, not put off by my intelligence, he makes me laugh, and he has the ability to make me feel small. This man is logical, can explain his reasoning clearly, and he smiles a lot. His leadership isn't brutal (although is actions may be at times) he is a gentleman, and his leadership is filled with quiet self-assured strength."

That is absolutely beautiful-- thank you.


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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/13/2007 7:24:29 PM   
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My Dom doesn't have to do anything to dominate me. He doesn't need paddles or crops to do it, and he doesn't need rope. Even if he never touched me (a feat of which I know he is not actually capable, he cannot keep his hands off me) he would still be my Dom. It's the way he looks at me when he's holding me down on the bed, it's the way he makes me burst into giggle fits. Hell, it's even the way he scandalizes me by suggesting lewd things. He owns all of me, and he knows it. My Dom dominates me because he is everything I always knew I wanted, but never believed I could actually ever have.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/14/2007 1:52:18 AM   
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I almost have a sort of dichotomy going when it comes to moods.  In every D/s relationship in which I've been involved, my Domme had two names for me; one was my actual name, and the other was some name she chose for me; for one, it was my middle name.  For the others, it was an endearing term of some sort.  Whether they called me on the phone, or were speaking to me in person, if they wanted my submissive side to come out more strongly, they only had to refer to me by that other name.  If they wanted me to behave in a more vanilla manner, or if they called me from speakerphone (imagine your friends hearing "Hello, Mistress" over the speakerphone...), they would address me by my actual name.

Of course, I suppose I have an eye fetish/voice fetish or something, because if they suddenly had a certain look in their eyes, or began speaking in a different tone...I knew what I had to do.  *smiles*

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/14/2007 2:52:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

My Dom doesn't have to do anything to dominate me. He doesn't need paddles or crops to do it, and he My Dom dominates me because he is everything I always knew I wanted, but never believed I could actually ever have.


wow. Where do I get one of those?

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/14/2007 9:22:33 AM   
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I agree completely with Stefann. To dominate is an action, and dominance is an active role. You can be subservient to a passive person, but that doesn't mean they're dominating you. The concept is the same when considering leadership and management. You can't manage or lead simply by "being" something or some way. A person has to DO something, ACT in some way, to lead or manage.

I think subs sometimes don't realize how much their dominants do. Here's a quote from PrincessEllie: "My Dom doesn't have to do anything to dominate me. He doesn't need paddles or crops to do it, and he doesn't need rope. Even if he never touched me (a feat of which I know he is not actually capable, he cannot keep his hands off me) he would still be my Dom. It's the way he looks at me when he's holding me down on the bed, it's the way he makes me burst into giggle fits. Hell, it's even the way he scandalizes me by suggesting lewd things. He owns all of me, and he knows it. My Dom dominates me because he is everything I always knew I wanted, but never believed I could actually ever have." Holding her down on the bed, looking at her in a certain way, scandalizing her by suggesting lewd things - looks to me like he's DOING something.

Dominants are always complaining about "do-me" subs, who really aren't subs at all. Well, there are two sides to that coin. A lot of "do-me dommes" seem to be seeking servants who want nothing more than to work for a domme, no strings attached, "service is its own reward", while the domme does absolutely nothing to induce or enforce this servitude. I'm not complaining about these women; they want what they want, and that's fine. I wish them luck. But let's not confuse the facts by saying that they dominate when in reality they have made it clear that all they want is to passively accept servitude. Simply having a servant doesn't make you dominant.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/14/2007 2:55:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shootingstar67
wow. Where do I get one of those?

I'm not sure where you might find one, but for me it turned out to be a friend of mine. It wasn't until he asked me out that I realized suddenly how kinky he was and how into me he was!  Doms hide everywhere, keep you're eyes peeled and you might find yourself with a great one.

Best of luck.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 6:20:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: batshalom

I can't be specific about this, I'm sorry. It is like asking my why Aba is Aba and not Adoni. It is just a feeling. Ah! Feeling!

This person makes me feel safe. He makes me feel accepted. He makes me feel wanted. He speaks to my mind. He is intellectual, not put off by my intelligence, he makes me laugh, and he has the ability to make me feel small. This man is logical, can explain his reasoning clearly, and he smiles a lot. His leadership isn't brutal (although is actions may be at times) he is a gentleman, and his leadership is filled with quiet self-assured strength.

The only reason this is any different than a vanilla attraction is because I am submissive and he is Dominant. I just can't do vanilla - it doesn't work for me. It's like love - I can't define it but I sure know it when I feel it.


So beautifully put.
Thank you.


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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 6:52:24 AM   
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Mistress Persephone has soo much to work with Wisdom, experience, incredible beauty, and deeply sensual. She can appear like a typical (very beautiful)  "girl next door," at one moment and instanttly transform into a powerful Femme Fatal at the turn of a head or wave of Her arm. 
     but i think it is Her confidence in everything She does that puts me in a totally willing space. She knows that She can do anything with me. and sometimes She does, and sometimes She doesn't. She has done things to me and had me do things that i never ever thought about doing before.  It is increadible that the Girl of my dreams can actually be so real. i am soo lucky to be in Her hands. weather they are carresing or causing pain, i swoon with adoration and bask in Her wonderfulness.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 8:12:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

I A lot of "do-me dommes" seem to be seeking servants who want nothing more than to work for a domme, no strings attached, "service is its own reward", while the domme does absolutely nothing to induce or enforce this servitude.


Oh I know. Doms too. You might as well be serving a brick wall with how involved they are.

I am not a Domme but I have been in situtation where I was worshiped by younger guys. One guy worshiped me for years and I was completely dominant in the relationship. Till one day he stopped calling, stopped coming around. I realized it wasn't me who had been in control but him because. Now I felt completely helpless to get the relationship back- as I did little to nuture it to begin with(being the worshiped one)

So when he stopped all his groveling devotion...I was helpless to save the relationship and realized the whole time I had been  just so passive and felt frozen into being that way and didn't know any other way to be. I was lost.

I did manage to get him at my feet again..=) And yes it did take doing something. .and I am just glad that the something I did worked on him as he is stilll  in my life today(12 years later) and is  a really cherished person in my life.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 9:54:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

Dominants are always complaining about "do-me" subs, who really aren't subs at all. Well, there are two sides to that coin. A lot of "do-me dommes" seem to be seeking servants who want nothing more than to work for a domme, no strings attached, "service is its own reward", while the domme does absolutely nothing to induce or enforce this servitude. I'm not complaining about these women; they want what they want, and that's fine. I wish them luck. But let's not confuse the facts by saying that they dominate when in reality they have made it clear that all they want is to passively accept servitude. Simply having a servant doesn't make you dominant.



I believe they are referred to as 'service tops.' 

Stephan


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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 5:24:53 PM   
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Blaakmaan.....did you get your question answered sufficiently?

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 7:36:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It's not about what doms DO, it's about who we are and the dynamic we creat together.


Yea, what LA said .  What my Sir and I have together isn't something I could sum up with words, well I could but they'd be general words hee hee.

Generally speaking...... I melt in His presence.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 11:07:45 PM   
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Meh, BDSM would be a helluva lot less fun if my Sir never picked up another whip, flogger, or violet wand again...

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/15/2007 11:20:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone


Master says..."I own you, you are MINE!" and that pretty much does it for me. If  I'm REALLY lucky He'll grab my hair and pull hard, but thats a rare bonus.



In the past, when I had a Dom, this would be it for me as well. And in future, when and if I have another one, that will still work.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/16/2007 2:53:44 AM   
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I find myself not entirely agreeing with some of the previous posters. A Dom doesn't dominate simply through being a Dom, nor does a submissive submit simply through being a submissive. There are no such people.

Domination and submission is all about giving, and it's about giving something which is unique and special to a unique and special person. You can give in a number of different ways, but I feel a Dominant provides and a submissive sacrifices.

Therefore I would answer the question by saying that a Dominant is someone who feels most comfortable in giving to another person in a relationship through providing, and it is this way of coming across to that other person, that way of expressing one's feelings, which defines exactly how someone identifying themselves as a Dom dominates.

By the same token it works on the other side of the coin. No two Doms and no two submissives are ever alike. They can be similar, as people can be similar to each other, but they will never ever be the same.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/16/2007 7:15:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

I find myself not entirely agreeing with some of the previous posters. A Dom doesn't dominate simply through being a Dom, nor does a submissive submit simply through being a submissive. There are no such people.

Domination and submission is all about giving, and it's about giving something which is unique and special to a unique and special person. You can give in a number of different ways, but I feel a Dominant provides and a submissive sacrifices.

...



I agree with your first point. You're just fooling yourself if you think your mere existence makes you dominant. You need to DO something to dominate. And, yes the issue is similar with subs, but to a lesser degree, because dominating really requires an active role much more than submitting does. In either case, however, being too passive creates (refer to another current post) "Wanna-Be" or "Do-ME".

On the second point, I think it depends on the individuals. Your "provide/sacrifice" seems like a good description of many, maybe even most, D/s relationships. But in some, it looks more like dominant takes and sub gives. I think your model is the healthier one, and has a better chance of succeeding long-term.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/16/2007 9:45:00 AM   
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All master has to do is be himself.  He is naturally dominate (lik the other Doms i suspect) so all he has to do is give me that look espically if i am pushing limits.

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/16/2007 9:56:11 AM   
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I think toservz post was pretty much on target... although I think I'd substitute her phrase of them "forcing" their will onto the sub, with something more like "seducing me into their way of thinking" or using "firm persuasion."

Maybe that's the mark of a good dominant: they make you WANT to do things you might not otherwise think of doing on your own.

Of course, if you're someone who likes... or maybe needs... a bit of "force" to make things work for you, who am I to tell you otherwise?  :)

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RE: How Does a Dominant Dominate You??? What does he/s... - 11/16/2007 11:05:29 AM   
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I don't think you will like this response but it is my first and most basic answer.

They breath.

It's not about a part, or an act, or a role, it's how they are made and who they are. To keep from the discussion flowing all over the place I will limit my answer to talking about people that I personally recognize in my life as Dominants.

There are kinda two catagories. One group earns my respect by the things they do, by who they are and how they are, and the way they live their lives. They act with integrity, are honest, are hard working and show a consistant nature. I respect those things. In the community if someone consistantly behaves in a certain manner that earns respect from me. Happiness, joy, and contentment being features of their submissive helps them out. It is easy to be polite to people who fall in this catagory. Basically, socially, through their actions they show that they deserve the status that they claim. I also respect patience, the ability to hold ones temper, calm in a crisis, empathy, kindness, courage, the ability to lead groups, ease with being in charge, and an ability to laugh at themselves and life in general.

The second group, gets into who I can naturally and easily serve. Not who I can be polite to, but who I can serve (not be in service to, just serve) and that is differant although it includes all of the above. Mostly they breath. They are comfortable in who they are and how they are and they have the capacity to not only be comfortable with me being who I am, but in taking great pleasure in a submissive's nature. People serve in different ways, people dominate in different ways, many different flavors. It is a treat when the way someone wants to be served meshes with another persons longings and desires to serve. It can be as simple as a cup of thoughtfully prepared coffee, that in itself, if the act fullfills both people can be profound. If in those moments they are both encompasing who they natively are, in my opinion, something transcendant can happen.

Sometimes someone is my flavor and something about the dynamic is easy, it's like I can suddenly take a deeper breath. I don't have to watch my actions and responses to keep in the "normal" behavior zone. I can just relax into myself and into them. This doesn't have to be a sexual thing, as I have had Dominant friends and beautiful dynamics with them. I'm talking about spaces where they can be truely who they are with ease and so can I. I can't honestly say what triggers this for me, or if there is something specific. Sometimes I can tell by my own responses. If they ask me for something and I don't even consider, I just reach to hand it to them. If they touch my arm and instead of  drawing my arm away or stiffening, I turn and follow the direction of their light pressure. Why? I don't know. Chemistry? Trust? Feeling their comfort in themselves and their dominance? Not sure. I just know that it's okay and safe for them to be in charge.

Don't know if this helps.

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