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Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 1:37:44 PM

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A new study shows that while incomes have increased among both black and white families in the past three decades, the gain is greater among whites. The study, based on some 2,300 families, shows a black family's income in 2004 was a little more than half that of a similar white family's.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 1:49:00 PM

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Those "studies" are kind of skewed.
It depends on what you do.
If you're a Master Plumber, Black or White you make more than M.D.s and Airline Pilots.
Any breakdown of jobs or professions?

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 2:12:10 PM

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black lunchladies make the same as white ones.....a black manager makes as much as i do.....all i can say is huh?

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 2:18:14 PM

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it tends to indicate that as a percentage of population along these racial lines , there are more black lunch ladies than white lunch ladies, and more white managers than black managers per capita with racial divisions.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 5:51:44 PM

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I tend to think it's more a class(income level) issue.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 5:53:07 PM

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Class and race are often conflated entities, though.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/13/2007 6:04:48 PM

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I tend to agree, it strikes me as more of a class issue.

Perhaps a skew topic, but I wonder wonder how much the "black" bit hurts some Africian Americans. (The idea that one has to be good at basketball and oppose society to be "black"; a sterotype I've seen a fair number of Africian American youths taunting others with, not to mention a lot of pop culture references.. and that's not even considering rap..)

Oh, yeah. I had a fair number of studied, hard-working Africian American friends back in highschool. Apparently, others from their neighborhood would call them "white". Like they weren't being true to themselves for studying hard. That never did seem fair to me, and I wonder how the school may've had a more colorful crowd if others weren't detered by that form of peer pressure.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 1:59:13 AM

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My brother took a road trip through the southern states and was shocked by the racial and economic segregation that was all too obvious to see. He lives in California where (he says) things aren't as obvious.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 2:18:22 AM

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Wow, here where we live Florida, see only the rich getting richer taking more and more land for more and more developements they control, while a shrinking middle class, where no race is left out of trying to find decent housing and not a shack that some slum lord owns.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 2:29:43 AM

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Its a big issue of class. I doubt its colour as well. Sure in my town (Texas) its geographically segregated. Whites to the North and Blacks to the south with a border of latinos all lined up on the tracks in trailers. But it took years for my mother to get help from our government after she got into her wreck. Lived without food stamps and medicare for about 2 years. We got past but with taking on a first job and an under the table one we were able to pull ahead. also all thos latinos living in the trailers on the tracks have really nice cars. It all depends on how you spend your money.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 3:32:23 AM

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I tend to agree, it strikes me as more of a class issue.

Perhaps a skew topic, but I wonder wonder how much the "black" bit hurts some Africian Americans. (The idea that one has to be good at basketball and oppose society to be "black"; a sterotype I've seen a fair number of Africian American youths taunting others with, not to mention a lot of pop culture references.. and that's not even considering rap..)

Oh, yeah. I had a fair number of studied, hard-working Africian American friends back in highschool. Apparently, others from their neighborhood would call them "white". Like they weren't being true to themselves for studying hard. That never did seem fair to me, and I wonder how the school may've had a more colorful crowd if others weren't detered by that form of peer pressure.

Read Losing the Race, by John McWhorter, for a look at these issues. Enlightening stuff.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 4:17:10 AM

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In the UK, black people are statistically a) more likely to be graduates b) less likely to use drugs c) more likely to be unemployed than whites. When employed, promotion comes later and pay also lags far behind that of whites.

If this is "more of a class issue" it does beg the question; how do you move up in class if good qualifications and clean living don't do it?

Chris Rock put it well when he said "there isn't a single white guy in here who'd change places with me. And I'm rich. They're all thinking "nah, I'll just see how this being white thing pans out" ".

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 4:21:39 AM

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In general income stagnation has occurred.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 4:31:02 AM

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In the UK, black people are statistically a) more likely to be graduates b) less likely to use drugs c) more likely to be unemployed than whites. When employed, promotion comes later and pay also lags far behind that of whites.

If this is "more of a class issue" it does beg the question; how do you move up in class if good qualifications and clean living don't do it?

Chris Rock put it well when he said "there isn't a single white guy in here who'd change places with me. And I'm rich. They're all thinking "nah, I'll just see how this being white thing pans out" ".

First........ LOL at Rock, he's incredible. And smart....... gives me an idea for a poll.......

I think it's both class and race. There are bigots, there's no denying that.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 5:23:18 AM

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There is no denying that class is a factor. However, if you look at the survey it makes clear that improvements made 30 years ago have been rolled back since. Class would normally indicate the progression of a family over time, whereas the black families in the survey have found that their chances are still actually a bit of a lottery.

Perhaps most disturbing, middle-income black families do not appear to be passing on higher incomes to their children in the same way that white families have, Isaacs said.
She found that only one in three black children from middle-income families grew up to have higher incomes than their parents.
"That means a majority ended up slipping down," Isaacs said.

As the social policies of the late sixties and early seventies have come under such pressure since Reagan, perhaps that plus direct workplace discrimination are the cause of these new figures.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 5:28:47 AM

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That is certainly an issue, but there is also the urban issue, in that a great number of black folk are welded to inner city areas in which unemployment is high and wages are low in any case. I suppose it is because they want to be near the opera.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 5:34:33 AM

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General point. To dismiss the low income of blacks as a class issue rather than a race issue is putting ones head in the sand. As hurricane Katrina so explicitly showed, serious race discrimination is alive and kicking in parts of the US.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 5:57:20 AM

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The phantasy that black people are separate but equal in America has never seemed starker, looking at the ethnic make-up of the troops in Iraq, then at that of the rich list.

Welded to urban living? I'd argue that normally salaries are higher in urban areas than anywhere else and that moving to the suburbs is only possible if you can first afford it. Moving there in itself won't improve your prospects.

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 6:07:47 AM

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The urban living directed at me. note the cutover to the inner city of the urbans. I saw some of those studies and while only 20% or so of the whites think there is discrimination, over 65% of blacks did.........in every study since I have been out of highschool that I am aware of, the black folk believe that the onus of the class/race war is on them to overcome...that is, need to stop the black on black crime, to lose the ebonics affectation, to ease up on color coordinating the entire family in nike wear and involve themselves in politics and community improvements.

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(in other words, the number is probably between the 20-65% and the best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your own arm).

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RE: Black Income Levels About Half That of Whites. - 11/14/2007 6:47:18 AM

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... note the cutover to the inner city of the urbans.

Again please, in English.

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I saw some of those studies and while only 20% or so of the whites think there is discrimination, over 65% of blacks did.........

Are you really saying that unless enough whites agree, that there is no discrimination, end of story? As we say here: they would say that,wouldn't they?

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in every study since I have been out of highschool that I am aware of, the black folk believe that the onus of the class/race war is on them to overcome...

I don't know when you left high school, maybe it was last night. Who's talking about a war? And how can you think you have handle on black opinion when you are at odds with 65% of them?

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that is, need to stop the black on black crime, to lose the ebonics affectation, to ease up on color coordinating the entire family in nike wear

Black on black crime is a flawed concept. It could take a whole thread but briefly, why do we never hear of white on white crime; because there is none?

Ebonics? Take a closer look at the posters on these pages, most of them write better English than you do.

How would you feel if someone judged you on your taste in clothing? Surely, its only relevant in the workplace -- but of course, you meant to be obtuse, casually and habitually, just as you accuse "black folks" of being.

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( the best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your own arm).

This study is not about finding helping hands. As far as I can make out, its about identifying social injustice. You may not agree with the findings but at least counter them with rational arguments - preferably as a product of reason and logic, not simple regurgitations of the rhetoric of obscurantist politicians.

My belief is that injustice should be fought by all of a society, not just those who suffer its effects. Learn to respect and value the black people in your country, whether in the team you follow, the army which fights for your oil or those passing you in the street. Then just maybe you can justify your smug self-satisfaction.

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