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Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 7:48:33 PM

liminalRapture

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I have a really silly thing that makes every cell in my body rebel and makes my soul shudder--I can't be chained down to sleep. When it happens, I feel like my soul is trapped. I have literal panic attacks. I understand why animals chew off their own limbs when they are trapped. On the few times I've fallen asleep, I dream I have cancer or that I'm suffocating without air. I feel like my soul and dreams are being trapped and I'm deadened and joyless the next day.

Intellectually, I think this is stupid. It is a little thing, shouldn't be a big deal, isn't even meant to be there when I am awake for the most part. But the second a chain went around my ankle for sleeping (I'm fine with being tied down for sex), every single cell in my body shrieked.

Do you gals and guys have any hard limits that from an intellectual point of view seems trivial and something you wish weren't there, but just sends you over the edge?

Have you ever gotten over something that had this visceral a reaction?

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 7:53:30 PM

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I have a nearly identical reaction to being tied down--but not just when I'm sleeping. I freak. I hyperventilate. I panic. Bondage just isn't for me.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 8:02:56 PM

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When I was two my mom would tie me to the bed for nap time because I took to crawling out the window and running down the street... repeatedly.

I have gotten over my aversion to bondage since then... which I used to have a problem with more than just mental restraints. Now my Daddy has me sleep in his ankle and wrist cuffs, and it is one more step toward being tied to the bed all night... which he jokingly made a comment about doing just last night. To be honest, it does rather make me feel slightly panicked inside. I think he talks about doing this precisely because of my history with being tied to the bed as a child, he wants the the things that limit his control over me removed, at least he has said this about other limits I have had in the past... this is just one more of them.

I have limits... we all do, but he is removing them one by one. On my profile there is a list of hard limits.... most of them have been removed in the course of our relationship... I leave them there as a reminder of how far he has taken me. The only limit that he has not tried to lift is conservative politics...it is a limit of his too

I have even gotten over my phobia of driving because of his influence... it is possible to overcome anything you really want to overcome with the right person

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 8:14:54 PM

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When I was two my mom would tie me to the bed for nap time because I took to crawling out the window and running down the street... repeatedly.

Wow, you are not alone. I was tied down at nap time, too, because (gasp) I would get up to get (gasp again) BOOKS to read!! Fortunately I do not have an aversion to books :) But you're the only other person I know who has mentioned such a nap time practice.

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... it is possible to overcome anything you really want to overcome with the right person

Absolutely, 100 times over.

I got over the belt, the #1 punishment tool in my household growing up. And the shoe, the #2 tool. And slapping, the #3 tool.

Master did wrap me in cellophane one night. I can't say I've ever been wrapped in cellophane at any early point in my life, but to my surprise, I had such a severe anxiety attack I actually ripped my way out of it in a frantic frenzy. The worst of punishments would have been better than that (unless of course, the punishment was going to be getting wrapped in cellophane!). He hasn't done it since, but if he did, I would engage in breathing exercises and meditation to get through it.

Being so constrained I can not move an inch makes me frantic. It's illogical - I mean, what's going to happen?? But my heart jumps into my throat and I go insane. He does it in short increments every once in awhile, to see how I do. Each time I try to handle just a little bit longer. There will come a day when I ask him to cellaphone wrap me again. Until then, I shiver at the thought!

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 8:20:33 PM

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Knife play.... or gun play.... I just freak out. Don't care if it's a butter knife, or if the gun is obviously a theatre prop (with only a patially drilled barrel) or missing several parts. (This is if we're in a scene, and I'm bound, helpless.)

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 8:44:56 PM

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I wouldn't call that a silly limit. I can't get water in my ears because of ear problems and likelihood of infection.

You KNOW you go into a panicked and emotionally unstable headspace when that happens. Why is one reasonable and the other not?

I understand the wishing it weren't there and am glad you can recognize the lack of logic in the issue, but you really shouldn't feel silly over it. We've all got our quirks.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 10:58:14 PM

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Okay, not quite hard limits because I know they wouldn't kill me, I'd survive, I'd do it for the man I love, but, pretty god danged freaking close:

tickling
and
ketchup

Must be repressed childhood trauma, I can't adequately explain either. If it was between scat and ketchup, it would be a tough choice. And tickling me is one of the most sure-fire ways to truly piss me off for days or longer.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 11:28:19 PM

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Well, there's my list of things i can't or won't do: iron, food shop, cook, clean, do laundry, pay bills, etc. (Only half kidding.)

Obviously i have 'gotten over' all these limits while living alone just for sheer survival (okay, not cooking) but i really, really hate them.

i am definately not suited to any Dom or Master who hands you a toothbrush and tells you to clean the kitchen floor with it as punishment. No kidding.

pinksugarsub

P.S. Ironically i have a strong want/need to be chained to the bed by one ankle at night, with enough length to reach the facilities if needed. i just think if i ever do this i'd need a dozen keys scattered around the room to unlock my ankle shackle in case of fire.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/13/2007 11:58:38 PM

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I can't be tickled. I can't stand it.

My dad used to chase me around the living room when I was a little girl and was the "tickle monster" I used to laugh when he did it, but at night I had nightmares of a while ghost like creature chasing after me to tickle me. The nightmares lasted till I was eight.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 12:00:57 AM

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Toe sucking. No one sub, dom or equal sucks my toes.

Phwoo, found that one out the hard way.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 12:40:20 AM

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I have that sort of reaction toward kinky or pervertable electrical devices. I almost cringe when anyone mentions electrosex/TENS units. After I got hit by a stopsign runner a few months ago, I didn't even let my chiropractor get anywhere near me with her TENS unit. She may just as well have sprouted horns and a tail as soon as she picked up the wires. I know it was supposed to help me, but I'd rather die than let anyone use one of those on me again.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 3:46:57 AM

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Ass...

Yup.... Ass licking, playing, fingering, fucking... anything has to do with anal is a limit for me. I don't want anyone to touch mine, I don't want to touch anyone's ass.

Period.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 4:33:05 AM

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yes, having my nose and mouth covered at the same time....sheer panic!!
and super-human strength that throws anyone off that tries..
sheesh
wish it weren't so ..but it is.
so hoods ack.. panic writing the word
and certain forms of confining sensory dep ( unfortunately) if my head is involved and limited air space.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 6:07:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I got over the belt, the #1 punishment tool in my household growing up.

That's one I need to get over also. Hubby has never used one on me, as of yet, because he knows that was my father's favorite implement for doling out punishment when my brother and I were really bad. It was reserved for major punishments, a thick, wide, brown leather belt that he called 'the strap'. I don't know how I'd react to a belt taken to me, but I suspect, that in the beginning at least, it would not be a good reaction. Face slapping is another tough one for me, but it's one I'm working on.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 6:26:09 AM

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I have three that are just so hard panic causing if it happens possible end of relationship.

1)      Is being tied down to bed at night. It makes me feel like I’m in a coffin,
2)      Being woken up with sex. There is no logical reason behind this just pure panic and an ick feeling.
3)      Fairs wheels. I don’t know of anything the scares me more (a few other height related rides).
But those are some of the lines that can’t ever be crossed for my own emotional health.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 6:29:47 AM

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quote:

Wow, you are not alone. I was tied down at nap time, too, because (gasp) I would get up to get (gasp again) BOOKS to read!! Fortunately I do not have an aversion to books :) But you're the only other person I know who has mentioned such a nap time practice.

Even though my experience was slightly scarring, at least I know she was truly trying to keep me safe. I cannot imagine her tying me to the bed for any lesser reason than I might get hit by a car or abducted...

Sometimes parents suck.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 6:51:24 AM

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I deathly afraid of breath play. I have asthma and can't handle not being able to breathe...Another HUGE biggie is abandonment. Thats the #1 reason banishment or ignoring me as "punishment" would be a relationship ender....I would "freak out" over the feeling of abandonment

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 6:55:15 AM

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Duct tape gags. The mere thought of them, and just writing this, causes anxiety. We were fixing something with duct tape last spring and he jokingly put a piece up in the air and said how about this size for a gag? Immediate response was overwhelming fear even though I knew he was kidding.

It's a phobia for me, like spiders. Playing with it, deliberately invoking a panic attack would make me rethink the entire relationship because I would have to assume that I wasn't safe with him, that he wasn't a trustworthy person for me to be with. If you aren't trained in relieving phobias, then don't play with them. Just like if you aren't a trained surgeon you shouldn't remove someone's appendix.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 7:16:39 AM

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hmmmmm... i have a fear of the dark, it was used as a punishment for extreme breach of rules... even the threat of it makes me behave....
the second is a spiritual reasoning, some do not share, for me, it is very taboo, i have non desire to experience, makes me violently paniced, beyond reason, sick to tummy, can't relax... never want to go through that... and it's mouth upon my heat... i have non problem giving, i just can not receive... this limit is a hard one.

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RE: Crazy Hard Limits? - 11/14/2007 7:25:37 AM

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Breath play of any kind - gags. They set off panic attacks. i don't like and can get panicky with very tight restrictive bondage - its not the lack of movement that makes me panicky i feel i cannot breath properly and that sets it off.

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