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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 10:50:31 AM

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I answered your direct (as always) innuendo. Show me where they dont own or control or have indebtedness to that oil from a neo-con site. The coincidence here is that you have no provable facts that come from a neutral site either. I am pointing out that plenty of people despise dispicable shitbreathers without being insane.

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http://www.fpif.org/cgaa/talkingpoints/0209oil.html
http://www.rense.com/general10/reveal.htm
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/iraq.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0915-04.htm

More than coincedence is at work here.

You:
Mnot, it indeed does seem to be more than a coincidence that you rely on left wing editorial sites for your information....

Seems to me, you are trading very heavily in red herrings as of late, with no actual philosophical, reasonable or justifiable leg to stand on, you are out here shooting off these zingers.........perhaps you will show us a cite on the reasons bush wrote to congress.......insure it is not a righthanded site, but one from the center.

Ron

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 11:06:54 AM

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I have cited the reasons sent to and apporved by congrgess several times in a direct .gov link. Why are you pretending otherwise? I guess you do not know what inuendo means either.

If you want to change the subject to who owns the oil MNOT, start a new thread on it. China is getting contracts there before us, adn the gstated goal all along has been to have Iraqi Oil for sale on the World Market at market prices. Start a new thread, and I will get you links to it.

This thread is about how some of the Anti Bush people have veered into hate, and can't make reasonable arguments. We have spent pages now watching you Haters try to change the subject, lie and throw insults. While mostly refusing to answer any direct questions. with Samboct, I am not debating whether the reasons were true or warranted, but what they actually were. They were written down and approved by congress. Most of what was in the list was passed to Bush by Clinton , not made up by Bush. I suspect that most of you haters are fully aware of it, but refuse to admit. That is the Bathos Samboct was refering to.

Now what will be the next subject yall try to switch to to avoid dealing with this one?

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 11:15:36 AM

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I know exactly what innuendo means, you have lots of problems with words.

So, since everything is a lie, perhaps you will point me to the fucking website and quit pretending, since it hasn't shown up in your last 300 posts.

Ron

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 12:01:48 PM

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Actually I have never said that "everything is a lie". That is you telling a lie, because you can't make any sort of argument with real facts. I have indeed posted the link to the Iraqi AUMF several times in my last 50 posts. Apperantly you have a hard time reading, since you can't seem to see it. Or the hate is clouding your eyes and you know I have posted it, but feel a need to pretend otherwise, which I think is more likley.

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 12:13:14 PM

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bullshit.

http://www.collarchat.com/searchpro.asp?phrase=Iraqi+AUMF++&author=luckydog1&forumid=ALL&topicreply=both&message=body&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=300&criteria=AND&minRank=0&sortMethod=r&submitbutton=+OK+

Iraqi AUMF in body by user luckydog1

there you go, no website and no .gov website in your last three hundred posts.

Bullshit.

quote:

Luckydog1
have said numerous times, and you refuse to accpet, BUSH WROTE THE REASONS DOWN AND SENT THEM TO CONGRESS.

Post the goddamn link. From the .GOV like you say you got. George W. Bush's written reasons to congress. If the idea is to be pedantic and impudent, you have won, but you have lost the entire argument since day one.

You have made oblique allusions (you can use that kinda like the definition of innuendo) that you have posted this link, but indeed when asked can only argue that you have, and no one can find it.

you said:
I have cited the reasons sent to and apporved by congrgess several times in a direct .gov link.

when I search luckydog1 and .gov (of course cm strips out the .) well you say government alot. when I search www and luckydog, nothing.......

I suspect this is as veracious and checkable against other than rush limbaugh sites about like social-security numbers on birth certificates and Ron Paul the white supremist member.

Gotcha.....red baiting, and red herrings not much different to you.

Ron

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 12:44:44 PM

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Post 117 on page 6 of this thread MNOT. Thats a "gotcha"? All that pooves is that you can't read or use a search function.

I quote from my post

"But the thing you are ignoring, much like the color of the sky, is that Bush sent a resolution to congress giving the reasons. The congress approved it. You can read the whole text of the
"Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq "

here... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html "

Again you proove you can only argue by making up stuff. I did not say RP was a white supremist member....I said he was affiliated with and helping make money for Liberty Dollar (used to be called NORFED).

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 12:59:37 PM

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LuckyDog your link- which is where I got the red text for my post- is where I responded to Bush's claims. I don't see why you think that will do any good.

There's an old joke that this exchange reminds me of-

An engineer is driving a train, when a passenger comes up to him, and says, "Excuse, me, I think the bridge is out."
The engineer says, "No problem, I'm driving this train."
The passenger tries again- tugs on the engineer's arm- and says, "The bridge is out!"
The engineer says "I'm the one in charge, and I'm driving this train!"
The passenger tries again- "The bridge is out!!!!"
But by this point, they've run out of time, and the train plunges down to the rocks below.
The passenger yells at the Engineer- "YOU STUPID FUCKING MORON, YOU'VE KILLED US ALL."
The engineer calmly turns to the passenger and says- "That's no reason to shout."

Sam

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:02:50 PM

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Sambo, but you mis represented Bushes claims,I have quoted you on it 2x already. You have refused to admit that you were pushing false a false premise in your little QED on how liberal logic works, but keep trying to change the subject. Bathos indeed.

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:05:07 PM

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This is a joint resolution of congress, and not george bushes written reasons to congress, comes out of the press secretary. Hardly the same thing. Post 117 which was some time ago, does not direct to a link in every one of your last 50 posts.

You:
They are white supremists. They are afiliated with Ron Paul.

Me:
OK, I got it now, you lay a bunch of unaffiliated and random sentences of murky veracity or intent together and without innuendo..........

OK, you are closely affiliated with ignorance. How does that wash out?

Ron

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:08:22 PM

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To all sides comes a cry for justice against each.
As for how light and darkness react its as simple as water and oil, who which never mingle easily less you have a blender.
the problem is both sides want to be the light, when the world is more a shade of Grey..
Only whats dysfunctional can be based as the black stain in all this.
And to that I say perhaps the whole administration has part in the mark we now posses.
   As our lives are consumed who are they to know better in the first place?
However Bush did have his functional moments.
   We did need to go to Iraq, And we did need to stay.
Regardless of how much it hurts us to admit it because like Vietnam its downhill time.
But like Vietnam it had its honest purpose..
Also like Vietnam better planning, and tactics could have saved us monetary, and human cost.
Thats were you can also say Bush, and his administration had failed..They just didn't have the resolve to figure it all out in time..
But I ask you this...
Even though I don't support the administration, if any one else was put into office, what would have changed really?...
Any of these new choices we see are just as bad really.
   And whats worse is when they take over all the people beneath them making the mistakes are absolutely the same.
  Even if it was Obama or Hillary, hell any of them.
I,m sorry to say I no longer believe any one man or woman can change all this with out a complete overhaul on the system and its employees.
I say put the blame were it should be.
On the entire mess itself, and not just one person.
   As far as I know he started competent, but all this must have broken him up inside something fierce, and all I see when I look into his eyes is a broken mirror.

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:08:57 PM

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the press secretary wrote that? Any chance you could back that ridiculous claim up? Ignorace, well I am talking to you so I suppose I am affliated with Ignorance.

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:10:18 PM

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However I do find some Bush supporters to be brain washed tools non the less.

As for me!
I like bush, it tastes yummy with cream and chocolate.

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:11:44 PM

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you back up the ridiculous claim, why do you want to lie and pretend I said the press secretary wrote that? I clearly said that it is a joint resolution of congress, and was published by the press secretary.

Read YOUR own fucking link. Left to right, top to bottom.....I think you will see the hints.

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
October 2, 2002

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

and so on.

Ron

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:13:09 PM

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"Moonbats" I learned a new word today. I don't have to call them ignorant, delusional morons anymore.
Thank you, Eldervet.
~A

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:22:08 PM

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But It wasn't written by the Press Secratery, that is just nonsense you are making up to try to avoid the fact that you claimed I never posted it.. A silly word game. I imagine some lowly person in the secraterys office is the opne who pushed the button on the keyboard, so what? And that you claimed to have looked and not found it. It was a joint reoslution sent to congress by the adminstration (Bush)

"Post 117 which was some time ago, does not direct to a link in every one of your last 50 posts. " More of your rambling nonsense. I, of course, never made any such claim.

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:25:03 PM

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quote:

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Actually I have never said that "everything is a lie". That is you telling a lie, because you can't make any sort of argument with real facts. I have indeed posted the link to the Iraqi AUMF several times in my last 50 posts. Apperantly you have a hard time reading, since you can't seem to see it. Or the hate is clouding your eyes and you know I have posted it, but feel a need to pretend otherwise, which I think is more likley.

And as I've said many times, since the Iraq-AUMF was obtained through fraudulent means. Why bother considering it to be in any way authoritative?

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:26:59 PM

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quote:

But It wasn't published by the Press Secratery, that is just nonsense you are making up to try to avoid the fact that you claimed I never posted it..

Then the link is a fraud because it clearly states that it was published for release by the press secretary...... You are still not getting it.

George Bush's written reasons, where are they? Your link to the press secretary's publishing of joint resolutions by congress are not dickweasels own words.

I have indeed posted the link to the Iraqi AUMF several times in my last 50 posts.

explain then, how the collarme search is fucked up by the link I give you
or

type in Iraqi AUMF in search phrase
and Luckydog1 in author
and return me a different outcome than the one I posted in #205 which was exactly that. 1 return

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:27:07 PM

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Farg, because as a list of the reasons given by the administration it is 100% accurate, as to waht the reasons were. That actually has nothing to do with whether the listed reasons were true or not.

And As I keep pointing out, and not a single one of you Bush haters will touch, most of the reasons were left over from Clinton not made up by Bush

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:28:55 PM

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true and accurate are usually thought to have some commerce with each other, by most honest and non-insane people at any rate.

Ron

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RE: The Insanity of Bush Hatred - 11/19/2007 1:38:41 PM

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quote:

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Farg, because as a list of the reasons given by the administration it is 100% accurate, as to waht the reasons were. That actually has nothing to do with whether the listed reasons were true or not.

And As I keep pointing out, and not a single one of you Bush haters will touch, most of the reasons were left over from Clinton not made up by Bush

Clinton didn't present information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action.

That "Material Omissions" thing is what *really* hung the Enron Gang. Turns out if you have reason to believe your data's not 100% correct, and you don't share those doubts, you're guilty too.

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