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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 9:37:54 AM   
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Thanks for responding, everyone! This is very interesting! The reason why I asked this question is because I have only had a kinky relationship with ONE person- my husband. He's a really smart guy, I think , and I am a bit above average in intelligence, I would say. The people that I met at the munches were all pretty much above average in the brains department. The small cross-section of people that I have encountered r/t seem to be more intelligent. Now, I agree whole-heartedly - common sense and intelligence do not always go hand-in-hand, so I am not trying to say that this community on a whole makes BETTER decisions, I'm just saying that it seems that those who stay involved in this lifestyle may have a higher IQ.

Desperate people who try to dabble in this lifestyle because they think they'll "get some" I don't consider to be truly kinky people - I would say they are just opportunists. A smart person can make risky choices such as not having a safe word or gesture or not have safety measures in place when they play- that doesn't make them stupid. Plenty of smart people do self-destructive things to their bodies, such as smoke or drink or eat too much. Once again, that is not stupidity, that is self-destructive and addictive behavior...

Which brings me to this question...how many of you have had problems with addiction? I am curious as to whether more of us have battled addictions at some time in our lives. I'll confess, I have had problems with drug and alcohol abuse, and I smoked for 10 years. I have put all of that behind me now, and addressed the deeper-lying issues that fueled those addictive and self-destructive behaviors.

I am asking these questions because, like I said before, I have had little interaction with those outside of my particular relationship, so I am curious to know what DRIVES people like us. How many of us have always known there was something "different" about us? How many of us discovered this side of us after many years of vanilla relationships? How many of us felt bad or guilty about it, who tried to hide it?

For both my husband and I, we both always knew we different. Both of us were afraid to ask past partners for what we really wanted due to fear of rejection, shame, embarrassment, etc. Both of us were reared in religious and traditional households. Both of us, in our early 20's internally explored our need for this type of aspect in our lives, accepted it as a fact, and decided to embrace it. We were fortunate to find each other, and marry. We don't see it as a conflict to anything in the rest of our lives, but I guess for me, my submissive side that I explore is so very DIFFERENT from who I am out in the world. How many of you who are Dominant in this lifestyle are Dominant out in society? How many are in powerful positions in society and submit behind closed doors?

I am, by nature, an aggressive female. I love debating, I am not afraid to stand up and speak in a room full of people, and I currently hold a position on a board dominated by men twice my age who all pretty much despise me because I am a rabble rouser. I get hate mail every week, threatening me, trying to persuade me, trying to intimidate me...

All this makes me want to come home to my little sanctuary and give up control, let somebody else take charge, be submissive. I see it as a wonderful release of stress, and it feels like it is the balance I need to keep my head clear.

OK...I really sorta went off topic there, but I started the thread, so, oh well. Anyhow, it feels good to put all of this in writing. I am curious to know how many of you have similar experiences. What makes us who we are?

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 9:45:59 AM   
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Desperate people who try to dabble in this lifestyle because they think they'll "get some" I don't consider to be truly kinky people - I would say they are just opportunists.


I do not mean to derail your thread, but every time I see this statement I scratch my head...I do see kink as being about sex and getting sex, and if people are interested in getting some kinky sex, well they are kinky in my mind. There are some people that are just into the power exchange part and it is not sexual at all to them, and I do not consider them to be kinky, that is just how their relationship works.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 9:59:58 AM   
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What makes us who we are?


1) nature
2) nurture


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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 10:14:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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What makes us who we are?


1) nature
2) nurture



Well, yes, that is the clinical response. I'm asking for details. WHAT is it in your life that you have identified that shaped who you are? My apologies for not making my expectations more clear.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 10:17:34 AM   
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I don't know.  What does a secure, middle-class upbringing have to do with being submissive?  I consider it part of my personality, nothing more, nothing less.  I personally consider it more nature than nurture, only because I can't point to experiences that made me this way.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 10:25:39 AM   
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A secure, middle-class upbringing is just the superficial part of the upbringing. Did you receive corporal punishment? History of addiction in the family? Strict or permissive parents? Parents who allowed you to make innocuous mistakes? Still in a great relationship with parents, siblings? Did you ever initiate kinky things with your first boyfriend? Did you tell your best friend you wished somebody would tie you up? WHAT specifically helped form your sexuality?

I am just curious because my husband and I had such similar upbringings. I just want to know what brought others to where they are today. I don't mean to pry, and I'm not trying to write a book. I am just the type of person who is always curious about finding out what drives people.

Thanks to anyone who wants to share. I'm sure these questions have been asked a million times before, I'm sure some of you are totally jaded...but if anyone's feeling chatty today, I appreciate your responses.

Happy Friday!

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 10:33:22 AM   
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More intelligent, no.
More willing to think about what they really want and willing to discuss it with a potential partner, yes.

Vanilla partners tend not to think about what they want and rarely are willing to discuss it.  Then, having left it up to mind reading, get disappointed when their fantasies aren't played out.

Generalizing from an admittedly small statistical sample, but it's become my working hypothesis.

Stefan

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 10:41:50 AM   
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gorgeous, I am not one to flaunt, but I have been called brilliant and genius by many many people. Some people are awed by my presence and intellect. My IQ is very high but I definitely don't go around telling people this. I love that I see things from many different perspectives. But I also think being this way made much more private, with tight boundaries, yet a considerate heart.

This is a good question. We have been taught by society to never speak about our excellence, but our weaknesses. Kudos to you.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 11:14:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gorgeous1


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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What makes us who we are?


1) nature
2) nurture



Well, yes, that is the clinical response. I'm asking for details. WHAT is it in your life that you have identified that shaped who you are? My apologies for not making my expectations more clear.


Nothing made me submissive. I just am. There is far too much variety in the lives of submissives and slaves, dominants and masters to convince me that anything "made us" this way.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 11:56:23 AM   
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Did you receive corporal punishment?


No.

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History of addiction in the family?


No.

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Strict or permissive parents?


Not particularly.

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Parents who allowed you to make innocuous mistakes?


Yes.

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Still in a great relationship with parents?


Yes.

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siblings?


Have none.

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Did you ever initiate kinky things with your first boyfriend?


Sometimes.

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 Did you tell your best friend you wished somebody would tie you up?


No.  But I told her someone had.

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WHAT specifically helped form your sexuality?


.Nothing.Everything.Me.

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I appreciate your responses.


You are welcome. But what exactly has that enlightened you about?  Does it fit the stereotype?  Does it show anyone more intelligent?  Less?
What drives me isn't really the fitting question - who drives me is.
 
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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 12:48:20 PM   
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Subtee, I'm seriously going to put that disclaimer on the bottom of my faxes (well part of it at least, it's pretty long) and see how long it takes for someone to notice it's not real.  Thanks, that was hilarious!


Hahahaha! That will probably take another whole fax page. Let me know if anyone notices!

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 1:10:57 PM   
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Kaiynasha, I think you have a point here that we are always focusing on our weaknesses rather than our strengths. For instance, how many of you women berate your own physical flaws the minute another female compliments something positive about your appearance? How many of you respond to a compliment on a well-cooked meal with a self-critique of what was wrong? It's OK to embrace the good things about yourself. It's OK if someone says, "You look great in that skirt," to just smile and say, "Thanks!"

My parents were told after I took the Benet test (I think that's how it's spelled) that I was exceptionally bright but that I would more than likely be an "underachiever". My parents told me this several times. I wonder if being told that influenced the choices I made.

What a complicated path we walk on!

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 1:16:45 PM   
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Darcy&thedark,

I haven't formed an opinion yet. I think we ask lots of soul-searching questions, that's for sure. I have seen some really thought provoking questions posted here. I'm still leaning towards the theory that kink attracts people who are above average in intelligence. The more I read though, I'm seeing that it is far more complex than just IQ. There's a certain something I can't put into words yet...and when I do, who's to say I'll be right anyhow!

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 1:20:51 PM   
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There are many groups of people that are statistically shown to have above average intelligence, and even if that person seems less intelligent, they typically just don't have certain types of intelligence. I believe there are 6 different types? I know two of my friends that speak horrible English and can't write to save their lives, but are absolutely brilliant when it comes to other things such as strategy and visual intelligence.

Of course with that being said, anyone could be a genius. :P

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 1:24:13 PM   
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If kinky people are smarter, why do people get injured during kink-related activities...?


....masochism



I meant in the bad way.



oh maybe that's why i'm a masochst as bad is good ........maybe I am not as intelligent as I am


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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 1:31:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: Lumus

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: Lumus

If kinky people are smarter, why do people get injured during kink-related activities...?


....masochism



I meant in the bad way.



oh maybe that's why i'm a masochst as bad is good ........maybe I am not as intelligent as I am



I have no reason or right to doubt your intelligence.  What actually came to mind was a recent death involving mummification that made the local papers...seems the Dom wandered off at times while she was mummified, didn't check in very often on the submissive, and she died.  It was talked about for days on the forum of a local group I'm a member of.

Death is the biggest injury I'm aware of.   I was a bit hesitant to use the word 'murdered' though, as I'm sure it would have taken things to a whole new level of wrong context.   'Killed' didn't quite seem right, either.


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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 2:09:54 PM   
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All sorts of people are into bdsm...average, bright, dull...but...

Today I was reading about gifted children and the issues they can have growing up. Social isolation, attempts to "bring themselves down" for lack of a better phrase etc. While I was reading these articles I noticed a lot of things that rang true with my pre-adolescent years. The same time that our sexualities are developing. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this affected the nurture side of my submissiveness. It has been noted that people who have had issues are more likely to be into bdsm, and being intellectually gifted in our society creates plenty of those.

So while interest in kink may not signify intelligence, it could very well be that the opposite is true. Higher intelligence making one more likely to be kinky, that is.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 2:29:33 PM   
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All sorts of people are into bdsm...average, bright, dull...but...

Today I was reading about gifted children and the issues they can have growing up. Social isolation, attempts to "bring themselves down" for lack of a better phrase etc. While I was reading these articles I noticed a lot of things that rang true with my pre-adolescent years. The same time that our sexualities are developing. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this affected the nurture side of my submissiveness. It has been noted that people who have had issues are more likely to be into bdsm, and being intellectually gifted in our society creates plenty of those.

So while interest in kink may not signify intelligence, it could very well be that the opposite is true. Higher intelligence making one more likely to be kinky, that is.




OK, there you go! I think that might have been what I meant- that higher intelligence might make one more likely to be kinky. I think perhaps a person with higher intelligence demands deeper conversation with others, deeper understanding of the world, deeper understanding of issues that are of interest to them...why not a demand for more complex sex?

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 2:44:04 PM   
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Chelle- I literally LOL'ed when I read that :)  If only I were as confident.

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RE: Are we more intelligent? - 11/16/2007 6:13:05 PM   
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The other day I got an email from a dominant critcizing my profile. The next day, I got another email from him...still criticizing my profile...but he actually went on to admit that when he sent me the original critique, he hadn't even read my profile. I'm sure he is probably a rocket scientist or something.


But did you offer to email him a refund on his two cents like i suggested?

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