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Actually this is all very legal.  This has gone up to the Supreme Court and back again many times and has been upheld.  The parent or legal gurdian of a minior child can give law enforcement permission to search minors' room without a search warrant.  Here is another one, got someone living with you on Parole or Probation?  If they have Court Ordered Search and Seizure as a condition of their Parole or Probation?  Law enforement can come to your house and search the place at any time of day or night, no warrant needed.  I use to do it at around 5 am. 

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Actually this is all very legal.  This has gone up to the Supreme Court and back again many times and has been upheld.  The parent or legal gurdian of a minior child can give law enforcement permission to search minors' room without a search warrant.  Here is another one, got someone living with you on Parole or Probation?  If they have Court Ordered Search and Seizure as a condition of their Parole or Probation?  Law enforement can come to your house and search the place at any time of day or night, no warrant needed.  I use to do it at around 5 am. 

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Actually this is all very legal.  This has gone up to the Supreme Court and back again many times and has been upheld.  The parent or legal gurdian of a minior child can give law enforcement permission to search minors' room without a search warrant.  Here is another one, got someone living with you on Parole or Probation?  If they have Court Ordered Search and Seizure as a condition of their Parole or Probation?  Law enforement can come to your house and search the place at any time of day or night, no warrant needed.  I use to do it at around 5 am. 

Are you bragging about this?  I have a brother that did some time then got out on parole.  He lived with me for awhile, and I had guns in the house.  There is nothing illegal about that, and the police can't search your house day or night.  The parole officer has to be with them, and they don't typically do shit like this at 5 in the morning.  If you came to my house at 5 in the morning, you better believe you'd be hearing from my attorney, and they'd be up to their neck in your ass.  I'd also make note of your name and have people calling you at home when you're asleep repeatedly.  People only put up with this kind of nonsense because they are ignorant or afraid.  I really don't understand it.  Police officers are nothing more than garbage men or dog catchers with guns.   

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Stupid people can get college degrees too!

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Gee, don't the adults of the household have to "allow" them in for any of this to take place? As it turns out, you are free to waive of any of your civil rights at any time. You are also free to relinquish your responsibilities as a parent and to turn them over to the policing authorities.

But why would you?

This is a non-story.

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ORIGINAL: BruisedHick

If the parents consent, sure!  It's their damn house!  But if the parents politely decline, what then?  Would that make anyone more suspicious?  Would that end up being an unofficial cause for a warrant? 

It's easy to hammer around on having the right to decline; the fear (even if irrational) of complications may lead some to agree despite knowing their rights.  And then the cops see the pipe on the table, or smell the weed, and have cause to get a warrant.

All seems like a good way to get into people's houses without a warrant. 

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benji

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ORIGINAL: BruisedHick

If the parents consent, sure!  It's their damn house!  But if the parents politely decline, what then?  Would that make anyone more suspicious?  Would that end up being an unofficial cause for a warrant? 

It's easy to hammer around on having the right to decline; the fear (even if irrational) of complications may lead some to agree despite knowing their rights.  And then the cops see the pipe on the table, or smell the weed, and have cause to get a warrant.

All seems like a good way to get into people's houses without a warrant. 

Yours,


benji

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What you do not know is that if you consent to let them search they have the right to search your whole house in the most minute detail.  If they have a warrent it will specify what they are looking for and they may not search for anything else.  If for example they are looking for a stolen car they may not look in your desk drawers or personal papers or under your bed.  If you give them permission to search your kids room they have the statutory right to search your whole house including your person up to and including a cavity search.
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Actually this is all very legal.  This has gone up to the Supreme Court and back again many times and has been upheld.  The parent or legal gurdian of a minior child can give law enforcement permission to search minors' room without a search warrant.  Here is another one, got someone living with you on Parole or Probation?  If they have Court Ordered Search and Seizure as a condition of their Parole or Probation?  Law enforement can come to your house and search the place at any time of day or night, no warrant needed.  I use to do it at around 5 am. 

Are you bragging about this?  I have a brother that did some time then got out on parole.  He lived with me for awhile, and I had guns in the house.  There is nothing illegal about that, and the police can't search your house day or night.  The parole officer has to be with them, and they don't typically do shit like this at 5 in the morning.  If you came to my house at 5 in the morning, you better believe you'd be hearing from my attorney, and they'd be up to their neck in your ass.  I'd also make note of your name and have people calling you at home when you're asleep repeatedly.  People only put up with this kind of nonsense because they are ignorant or afraid.  I really don't understand it.  Police officers are nothing more than garbage men or dog catchers with guns.   

If the cops have a warrant- there is nothing an attorney can do. Sure attornies will take your money....

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Nope.  You can give limited consent for a search.  However, if they discover anything in within the limited area that gives them reasonable belief that there may be something illegal in other areas, you've just opened the door for a full legal search.

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If you give them permission to search your kids room they have the statutory right to search your whole house including your person up to and including a cavity search.

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ORIGINAL: BloodLuna

Trying to keep up with 4 pages!!!!   The following is only IMHO and my brother is a police officer and is in full agreement with most of what I have had to say.  I am not a cop hater - I love my brother and what he does for those he serves.  Now, let the flaming begin.

1)  The constitution protects us?  Um  - wait, Bush used executive orders to get the 1st, 5th, and 14th amendments suspended for so long as we are at war.  So, no, the consitution cannot protect us if we are not willing to defend our rights when they are threatened.
2)  National ID?  Um - Papers Please?  So if I get pulled over for something my speeding ticket is now a federal offense? 
3)  I heard something similar to this is happening right now except that its in Detroit.  That the police are knocking on random doors in low income neighborhoods asking parents if they can search teenager's rooms for drugs.  This is an experiment to see if it will work in other staes.  Wonderful - so now because I make less than $25,000 a year they want to bring a dog into my house to "protect my kids"?  What keeps them out of MY bedroom? Thats where it starts.  Yes, I (supposedly) have the right to say no.  Guess what thats called? (I asked my brother about this one!!!!)   It's called Probable Cause.  Now the police have a reason to go get a warrent and search my whole house.  I have $1500 or more in BDSM equipment.  I have minor children.  Whoops - there goes my right to privacy in my sex life, now I'm a sexual devient and loose my ums.  And it goes on and on. 
4) So let's go with only knocking on doors if a neighbor leaves a tip and asking if we can search.  What if my neighbor hates me because they are conservative, christianh, homophobic, mad  cause I wouldn't have sex with them . . . fill in the blank . . and they saw me and my same sex lover through a window.  Or I have a tree branch hanging 1 inch over their property line?  Or whatever?  How many women in the salem witch trials died because they wouldn't sleep with the neighbor's husband, or the woman across the street hated the other woman's pretty blonde hair?  Think of Nazi Germany when neighbors turned on neighbors, brother on brother, father on son.  They are teaching our kids in school to watch their parents - what do you think they are indoctrinating our children into when the Dare guys show up or the K9 unit brings in a pretty german shepard for the kids to pet?  look kids - if your parents have this green stuff in the house, call the police.  If your dad is sleeping with another guy - its bad for you . . . how big of a step is it from parents turning in their kids to kids turning in their parents.   But there are laws of motion that work not only in science but in social science too.  An object in motion remains in motion.  Once the ball gets rolling, it doesn't stop, it builds up steam. 

Lastly, I'd like to say that I don't NEED a police officer to search my home.  It is MY home and MY children and you had better believe me that I have NO qualms about searching MY own home at my own whim.  When they are 18 if they don't like it -there's the door.  Now I have unpopular opinions about weed and porn and a few other things so my reactions might not be as intense as some to some things.  But while I believe we have the right to protect ourselves I personally won't keep guns in the house.  But with very young ums in the house, I would have no problem dragging my teenager into the room by the hair, tossing a hidden gun that I found in his/her room on the bed, and putting the fear of this Goddess into them.  Trust me, my kids better be more afaid of me than of the cops!!!!  And I don't have to throw them in a small room with a toliet, beat them, or break a single bone to do it! 

I cannot smoke a cigarette, drink what I want, protest war or the government on the street, but I'm thankful that I can still do that in my own home.  I refuse to give that right up.  Happy Thanksgiving!

Lady Luna