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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 3:51:24 AM   
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Is it easy to just go from one to another?For me it is not but for those that do I have to agree it looks pretty easy.. If you call each and everyone of them Master does that not demean the title? In my opinion yes it demeans the title or the feeling that is supposed to go behind it....  If being collared holds the same weight as being married I dont think any Owner would want a sub who has had several before them...but thats only my opinion......I do the same thing as well in regards to reserving the use of "Master" & all that comes with it


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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 4:20:20 AM   
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D/s relationships are like any other relationship, You have to search for the One! i have been with three Master's and still have not found the one.

Some times people change who they are, or they perceive someone they are not. no one is going to submit to a person that was not the person they claimed to be...

that has been my major hang up, well... that and Doms on drugs.



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RE: SimplyMichael - 11/19/2007 3:40:24 PM   
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If you took as much time to read and understand what my post actually says as you do trying to be sarcastic and witty. you might have been able to contribute something valuable to the rest of us and not just look ignorant and arogant.


sh while he may be being sarcastic, he's correct in pointing out that your viewpoint of relationships is somewhat misguided and romantic.  I think everyone approaches every relationship hoping it will be the one that is the final one they enter into and will last forever.  Sadly, that's rarely the case.  Things change, people change.  Your original post does have a negative flavor to it that appears that you are condeming people for moving on and starting new relationships.  That's not negative, it's reality.  Does a new relationship change the fact that you truly loved the person before?  No.  Can you truly love someone new? Of course.  The term Master is a role, not a god.  They make mistakes, they have relationship failures and they are human.  Shit happens, it's part of life, what you do with it and how to live your life after it is what determines the quality of your life.

I look back fondly at my relationship with my first real Dom, at times I miss him for the things that were uniquely him but it doesn't effect my ability to truly care for and appreciate the things that are uniquely wonderful about my current partner. You are not going to find the perfect "Master", you have to take a chance that as human beings you may make mistakes and the relationship may fail despite your best efforts.  To quote a cliche it is truly better to have loved and lost than to have not loved at all.

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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 3:59:38 PM   
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i have and i pray i will only have one Master/Owner in my lifetime for i love him and worship him. My question is. i know many people who go from Master to Master to Master (Mistresses included) and i also read that on here lots of times. (i am not judging) So i'm wondering something. A few things actually. Is it easy to just go from one to another? If you call each and everyone of them Master does that not demean the title?

What does that title mean to you? To me, it means that particular man owns me. It means I respect them, I submit to them and I want to make a life with them. However you could easily switch that out with "husband" or "boyfriend" and make the same point you are trying to make here.

I don't think it demeans the title unless you are deliberately hopping from one relationship to another without any meaning.
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i never call my Owner, Master. For i believe that it is used and given too easily and sometimes when it's not deserved. So i call him Sir or my Owner. My other question is. If you are going to Master after Master. Is the relationship still special? Does it still have that special meaning? Thanks so much everyone!

The only people who can possibly determine if a relationship is special or not is the people in it. Not you, me or anyone else on this board. I have had more than my fair share of partners, both BDSM and vanilla yet I strongly feel that what I share with Valyraen is quite special to us.

The meaning that you assign to the term master is only that - yours. It does not apply to everyone and, frankly, I don't think it should.

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Laurel - 11/19/2007 6:48:16 PM   
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in my original post i asked what people's opinions and feelings were on the subject. That's all i asked what they thought of certain things that go on. Where in my post did i say my opinion or how other people should live? Thanks.

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RE: Laurel - 11/19/2007 7:03:15 PM   
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Why do you ask such ignorant questions?

Doesn't sound pleasant and non judgemental does it?  Neither does any of this:

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If you call each and everyone of them Master does that not demean the title? i never call my Owner, Master. For i believe that it is used and given too easily and sometimes when it's not deserved. So i call him Sir or my Owner. My other question is. If you are going to Master after Master. Is the relationship still special? Does it still have that special meaning?


How would you respond if someone asked you to justify whether or not "your relationship is special" and I bet you wouldn't take kindly to the questioner, would you?



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RE: Laurel - 11/19/2007 7:23:31 PM   
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In English class we learn that you is plural. Which means that the question is directed to everyone including people who never even had a Master. No one was asked to justify anything ot to write of their experiences. Just to tell their thoughts on the subject They were general questions, which everyone but you understood that. i never asjed anyone about their specific relationships.

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Sorry about that Laurel - 11/19/2007 7:26:17 PM   
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i forgot to remove your name from my post to simply michael. The second post was not meant for you. Happy Holidays

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RE: Sorry about that Laurel - 11/19/2007 8:08:41 PM   
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I chose to respond to your post in a sincere way even though I read it as being a little demeaning of those of us that have had more than one D/s dynamic. I will never have an M/s dynamic, so it became rather easy for me to say that the term was meaningless to start with for me

I just wanted to say that I could have easily misconstrued your post and chosen to be offended by it if I had wanted to. I have decided that these days I would rather not be so thin skinned and take offense when none was meant.. and I do not think you realized how your post sounded.

I wish others could be that generous to you, unfortunately this is the internet, and people will choose to read others the way they choose to.... shrugs

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RE:Julia - 11/19/2007 8:18:40 PM   
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Thanks Julia, i appreciate it.

If you will read my post again it is not directed torwards a person who has had more than one Master. It is about people going from one relationship to another, to another to another etc.

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RE: RE:Julia - 11/19/2007 8:47:45 PM   
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I read your post as going from one relationship to the other, and I felt it did seem to have a negative slant toward those who do - not toward any individual in particular, but just to those people who practice that.  I think that's where the hang up is.

To answer your actual question, I met my Master 4 days after I left my last dominant, who only dominated me for a few months and was a rather cruel individual.  I had hung up my submissive hat after that (ok I don't really wear a hat) and wasn't going to submit again.  This man who now owns me, however, struck something deep inside me and I had no choice but to forge ahead with him.  I'm glad I did, because three years later I'm in bliss with him.

I think you are not talking about poeple who have had more than one D/s or M/s relationship, but those who have had several without much of a gap in between.  I can only say that humans tend to strive for happiness, and some try to find that happiness in relationships.  If they find it, more power to them.  If they do not, I hope they are successful in their search.  I did not call my last Dom "Master" so it didn't feel strange to me to suddenly refer to another man as such.  I think that's what you were getting at in your question.  It is doubtful I will ever call another man Master again, since in my eyes no one will ever live up to that title for me again.  I think I understand your question, but I think the way it was presented had some negative connotation to it, hence your replies. 

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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 9:33:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: southernhart

i have and i pray i will only have one Master/Owner in my lifetime for i love him and worship him. My question is. i know many people who go from Master to Master to Master (Mistresses included) and i also read that on here lots of times. (i am not judging) So i'm wondering something. A few things actually. Is it easy to just go from one to another? If you call each and everyone of them Master does that not demean the title? i never call my Owner, Master. For i believe that it is used and given too easily and sometimes when it's not deserved. So i call him Sir or my Owner. My other question is. If you are going to Master after Master. Is the relationship still special? Does it still have that special meaning? Thanks so much everyone!


Southernheart,

I see this question as being directed more towards those who play a bit more casually rather than those of us who are in a deeply loving and committed relationship..  What's in a name?   Nothing.  IMO it doesn't matter if you call him/her Master or Lord of all Collard Greens..  It's the feelings and the connection two(or more) people have that counts.

If one is going to Master after Master they might either be:  1. smart enough to know that they haven't found the "one" yet, not willing to settle and are determined to keep looking until they find him/her.. OR
2. They are  finicky jerks who are impossible to please..

It's disheartening sometimes to me that people here are so quick to flame posts like this instead of taking a second more to ponder the post.. IMO there isn't anything wrong with plain old curiousity...

Thank goodness I found the only one for me.



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RE: Laurel - 11/19/2007 9:42:09 PM   
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in my original post i asked what people's opinions and feelings were on the subject. That's all i asked what they thought of certain things that go on. Where in my post did i say my opinion or how other people should live? Thanks.


It came across pretty clearly. It takes a great deal of effort to not display ones bias in questions, particularly when phrased as "Is this still special if you do X? Doesn't it demean the meaning of Y when you do X?". This is why polling for research is so damn tricky. You have phrase things correctly or you are going to skew the results.

While not offended, I must say that your post had a definate slant and I feel my answer remains valid. You were asking people if they consider a particular relationship to still be special because of X. I don't think anyone except the people in that relationship can answer that.

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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 10:00:45 PM   
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i have and i pray i will only have one Master/Owner in my lifetime for i love him and worship him. My question is. i know many people who go from Master to Master to Master (Mistresses included) and i also read that on here lots of times. (i am not judging) So i'm wondering something. A few things actually. Is it easy to just go from one to another? If you call each and everyone of them Master does that not demean the title? i never call my Owner, Master. For i believe that it is used and given too easily and sometimes when it's not deserved. So i call him Sir or my Owner. My other question is. If you are going to Master after Master. Is the relationship still special? Does it still have that special meaning? Thanks so much everyone!



Guess what, they're not superheros, just men.  Life changes, people change, relationships change.  It's not negative to pick up the pieces and start over, it just is what it is.


Damned straight, the only superhero here is me--and I'm busy at the moment.  Eating pie.  Super pie.  You could ask Stephen Colbert to take you, he's almost as good, but I'm pretty sure he's too busy rewriting Wikipedia.  So all the 'normal' people must suffer with accepting the fact that shit happens, their relationships will take work and they still risk losing the person, that the other person is taking the same risk, and that they don't get any super pie.

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RE: Laurel - 11/19/2007 10:10:18 PM   
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in my original post i asked what people's opinions and feelings were on the subject. That's all i asked what they thought of certain things that go on. Where in my post did i say my opinion or how other people should live? Thanks.


You didn't.  Or at least, I didn't take it that way. 

I was going to post but wasn't able to answer your questions since I'm not a person who goes from relationship to relationship.  For some people tho, it may be how they search...They may take a more aggressive approach to finding their Master by diving into it and putting their all into a relationship.  If that relationship fails, they may have the need to get right back on the horse to try again. 
Others, like me, tend to step more cautiously and slowly, because that's what works for me.  So, I guess everyone has a different style in how they go about finding the right one.

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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 11:15:18 PM   
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Gee, I wonder why some people are so unable to communicate (not that I am judging here) that one person after another misunderstands them?  Or how do they remain so clueless as to wonder why so many OTHER people can't understand the obviously perfectly clear language they use?


I'll come in on this if I may as I feel I'm able to answer both questions.

Getting into any sort of relationship whether it's a vanilla relationship or BDSM requires a certain amount of time and emotional investment. None of us are mindreaders or clairvoyants, and the way we see ourselves may not necessarily be the same way as others perceive us.

I speak for myself here, I'm a TS female defined as being female, lesbian and submissive. Only not everyone is prepared to accept me as being all these three things and being a TS I've gone through a pretty long term major identity and gender crisis caused by my past and childhood which has only recently solved itself. I went through a long cycle of deceiving myself and through this deceiving others, so therefore all of my relationships were doomed to failure, and evidence of this can be seen from the fact that the relationships I have had with Dommes as a service submissive without any sexual or emotional involvement have become friendships which stand the test of time. I never had any bad intentions, I just didn't work out who I really was, what I needed or found the way to be able to communicate it to another person.

But this is me and this is just one example, and I'm sure you can find hundreds of other such examples if you look around. Nobody is perfect, we all have a past and we all have to some degree issues, some more than others.

Theory is always easy, which is why it's always so easy for us to apply our knowledge of life to other people and make judgments.

But practice isn't so easy. You cannot ever enter into any sort of relationship without risking its failure. It's also in my opinion totally insane to enter into a relationship honestly believing that you're never going to be fooled or that you're never going to make any mistakes.

Everyone makes mistakes, mistakes are a necessary part of life, and without them you're never going to find success, happiness or love. Mistakes aren't popular however because unlike a loaf of bread mistakes can cost us far more than we think they will, and it can take just one mistake to destroy a relationship. But a mistake can also be seen as an opportunity to learn something, if we take it. The problem is some lessons are harder than others, and some lessons can only be learned through other people. Therefore in some cases some people are doomed to making the same mistake over and over again until they find the right person who can help them learn the lesson.

It's so easy to make judgments about other people based on your knowledge of life and relationships, but are you prepared to try and understand that person on their own terms? And are you also prepared to allow that person live their own way, rightly or wrongly, and allow them the freedom to be able to make their own mistakes and learn from them? And this I feel is the challenge that we all face when entering into a new relationship.

As for the terms Mistress, Master, Sir, Goddess, slave, girl, these are nothing more than terms of endearment and respect in a BDSM relationship, assigned by you to a particular person with a particular meaning to express or symbolize a particular feeling. Outside the relationship these terms have no meaning. Therefore how someone else chooses to use that term with someone else is something I feel which is to be respected, it is beyond discussion even and shouldn't be called into question.

There's a lot to be said about taking people at face value, and learning to understand them and see the world through their eyes before making judgments about them.

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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/19/2007 11:29:28 PM   
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I think it is obvious the op is talking about those, for example, who find "their One" and a week later they have broken up with that "One and have found another "One" and on and on. It is pretty common. I don't think she was impugning those who have had more than one relationship. 
Whether it is easy to go from one to another in that manner, it probably is for some.

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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/20/2007 5:08:39 AM   
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I think it is obvious the op is talking about those, for example, who find "their One" and a week later they have broken up with that "One and have found another "One" and on and on. It is pretty common. I don't think she was impugning those who have had more than one relationship. 
Whether it is easy to go from one to another in that manner, it probably is for some.


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RE: SimplyMichael - 11/29/2007 3:18:59 AM   
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Internet is too easy to 'find' people, to be collared after an hour or 3, and then lose it within a week, and taking on the next the other week... it takes all sorts which makes the world go round.(even velcro)

They are all out there, Dom/me's and subs, who are just hopping around, just as people who are jobhopping, or just try to get as many as they can... it takes two to tango..

But ofcourse there is an other side, who is sincere, genuine, and honest, they are the hardest to find those who're
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RE: One D/s relationship after another - 11/29/2007 5:09:18 AM   
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i have and i pray i will only have one Master/Owner in my lifetime for i love him and worship him. My question is. i know many people who go from Master to Master to Master (Mistresses included) and i also read that on here lots of times. (i am not judging) So i'm wondering something. A few things actually. Is it easy to just go from one to another? If you call each and everyone of them Master does that not demean the title? i never call my Owner, Master. For i believe that it is used and given too easily and sometimes when it's not deserved. So i call him Sir or my Owner. My other question is. If you are going to Master after Master. Is the relationship still special? Does it still have that special meaning? Thanks so much everyone!



james died after we'd been together just over 4 years.  he's been gone 3 years next month.

fallcon i'd known for years, and he came back into my life about 3 months after james passed...he had a bad feeling about me and contacted me again...things just proceeded forward.  he's been gone a year next month.

i promised fallcon i wouldnt be alone again...and met Daddy in late feb, early march, through collarme.    i suppose that could be construed as going from one master to the next if you just look at the dates....

then again, it isnt.  yes, they've all been my master.  i also had separate names for each of them.  james was Sir.  fallcon was LordFallcon or a few other things...Daddy is Sir and Master and Daddy.

i dont see any of them being as a repetition of the other, they are/were all individuals who are very much loved and cherished by me, whether they are still here or no longer able to answer back when i fuss at them.

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