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The condition of being a slave - 11/19/2007 11:22:26 PM

feralkyttin

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As usual, please forgive me if I haven't looked hard enough for the answers I seek.

I just wonder how those of you out there who self identify as slaves would answer me. Or anyone. Just putting my curiosities out there. How did you come to realize you were a slave? Did you just know? Did you have to be shown? Did you like learning that? Was it hard for you? Did it ever make you cry? I guess that's all for now.

respectfully,
meesha / feral kyttin

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/19/2007 11:57:03 PM

trusting

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i am submissive, not a slave! i do not have the qualities to be considered a slave, well according to my definition of 'slave'.

i believe that many people have their own definitions of what a slave is and should be... it would more than likely be up to your Master as to how you are allowed to behave, how you would be 'trained' and how much it hurts!

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 12:10:30 AM

feralkyttin

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Thank you for your time and response. I have no master at the moment, and that is how I wish it to be until I'm ready. Hope to see you around.

once i hold on, i won't let go 'till it bleeds

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 12:14:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: feralkyttin
How did you come to realize you were a slave?

Once I accepted the truth of myself. That took a lot of years, a lot of self-exploration and the release of the lifelines to which I clung for so long.

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Did you just know? Did you have to be shown?

I didn't just 'know'. I had to discover it for myself after Master kept pointing it out to me and I lived in denial of that truth for a very long time.

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Did you like learning that?

It wasn't really a matter of liking or not liking. It was a matter of accepting what was true and letting go of what was no longer true for me.

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Was it hard for you?

Yes, actually. Often times it's a struggle to come to terms with who and what you are, but once there, you can find you've come home in a very good way.

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Did it ever make you cry?

Frequently. Now though, it brings me peace.

Celeste

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Rock, paper, scissors."

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 12:16:49 AM

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Ponder the "how" to get to the "why"

Service is an art.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 12:18:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: feralkyttin

As usual, please forgive me if I haven't looked hard enough for the answers I seek.

I just wonder how those of you out there who self identify as slaves would answer me. Or anyone. Just putting my curiosities out there.

How did you come to realize you were a slave?
*- It was a slow process for me .. but it really "came into being growing stronger each time I serve.

Did you just know?
*- I was drawn more to the slavery when I first began learning, so there were thoughts, I always said i was a submissive with a slaves heart.

Did you have to be shown?
*- There are aspects of it that were/are very natural and bits that were not.. I was shown what was expected, and how He wanted things done.

Did you like learning that?
*- Absolutely

Was it hard for you?
*- There were emotional aspects the further into my slavery I go.. some of it is really hard but the payout in the end is HUGE.

Did it ever make you cry?
*- Yes.

I guess that's all for now.

respectfully,
meesha / feral kyttin

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 12:34:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: feralkyttin

How did you come to realize you were a slave?

It took a long time for me to get to know myself and what I needed for myself. I denied it for a very long time, and even fought against it. But I found in order to be true to myself I needed to submit the way I do now. I needed to express myself, love my Master, and submit to him in the way I define a slave to be. Once I reached that point, everything started falling into place for me.

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Did you just know?

I knew the idea of being a slave was appealing to me. I didn't know if I had it in me, or even if I really wanted it, until a few years ago.

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Did you have to be shown?

I was to led to see for myself, actually, who I was, to like who I was, and to understand who and what I needed to be.

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Did you like learning that?

At times I loved it, and at times it scared me and I fought against it.

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Was it hard for you?

It was exciting, excruciating, easy, difficult, and everything in between, depending on where I was in the process. Overall it was not an easy road, but that road brought me to an amazing and peaceful place.

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Did it ever make you cry?

Had I known how much I would cry, I'd have invested in Kleenex a few years ago :)

Now my tears tend to be of joy and from overwhelming love. Sometimes I just look at him and start crying. But then I'm sappy like that :)

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 12:45:10 AM

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Wow, girls. Thank you so much. I had my first tears in a long time a few days ago. They were also my first tears of joy. I have experienced them twice since. I'm afraid more will follow if I elaborate too much, so, for now, just know that I've read your responses and learned a great deal from them

Several wise dominants and master have told me repeatedly that there were no switches. They told me there are no in betweens. They told me that I should hurry and "decide" what I was. I was very upset by this idea, for I can't just "decide" who I am. If I could do that, then I would surely do that and cease this turmoil!

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 1:04:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: feralkyttin
Several wise dominants and master have told me repeatedly that there were no switches. They told me there are no in betweens. They told me that I should hurry and "decide" what I was. I was very upset by this idea, for I can't just "decide" who I am. If I could do that, then I would surely do that and cease this turmoil!

You may want to explore the Ask a Switch forum if you have not already done so. The idea of "no in betweens" to me means life has no grey areas, which is not something I can agree with. For me there was no "deciding" of what I was, there was a discovery of who and what I am, which took a lot of soul searching, wrong paths, talking to others, trying new things, being courageous, being willing to fall and being determined to get back up.

Enjoy your exploration. It is a fascinating thing to come to know yourself. And if it were something that could be done overnight with the snap of your fingers, then all therapists would immediately be put out of business.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 1:53:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

Ponder the "how" to get to the "why"

Service is an art.

Well, Rafe, Sir, once again, you flabbergast me!

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 4:36:11 AM

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i have been this way all my life so i fell into it so easily and naturlly. it's where i belong. Also, the right Owner has everything to do with it too.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 4:41:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: feralkyttin

As usual, please forgive me if I haven't looked hard enough for the answers I seek.

I just wonder how those of you out there who self identify as slaves would answer me. Or anyone. Just putting my curiosities out there. How did you come to realize you were a slave? Did you just know? Did you have to be shown? Did you like learning that? Was it hard for you? Did it ever make you cry? I guess that's all for now.

respectfully,
meesha / feral kyttin

Slavery is a condition now?
Dayum it !! When did this happen and how come I was not notified?!!

/sigh

I don't label myself; I just am.

If that makes me a slave in the eyes of someone else; then they are more than welcome to call me such

Just be yourself and don't worry about attaining a 'level' or 'label'.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 5:58:16 AM

mhawk

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as far as my being a slave and not to sound repetative in this,

it's been who and what i am as far back as i can recall(have my moments but won't get into them) it's like a gaping emptiness inside when i have not had a Owner take me into His possesion of me as His slave.i tend to become lost and cannot find my way back.

don't get me wrong i have tried "vanilla" relationships and in the long run i just couldn't.to me my life and being is not compleat unless i am at my Lord's feet in His chains,manacles and collar as He requires.

knowing this may sounds cheesy but oh well, to me i only know wholeness(like i do now with my Lord)has compleat submission,surrender of my mind,body and sould to Him.

hope that made sense

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 6:11:12 AM

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Being a slave wasn't something I knew when I first started out. It was shown in me by someone else and developed over time. To me it was a little scary at first, because it was unknown to me. Once I starting learning I realized this was me and I felt fulfilled.

It was hard in for me to realize this in myself but with the help of a very special person I learned and grew. Tears came from frustration in myself to want to please and never disappoint. Once I realized I was human and mistakes happen I wasn't so frustrated anymore.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 6:23:28 AM

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I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.

Head, Heart, Body, Soul, it is either there, or not.

I am a slave to my submission, yet not a slave by admission.

chia* (the pet)

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You can stick me in the corner, but I'll probably just end up coloring on the walls.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 8:16:08 AM

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How did you come to realize you were a slave?

same way this slave discovered she was a masochist...from other folks pointing out the obvious in a non-sexual, vanilla context waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before she ever knew folks coupled up as Master/slave or Dominant/submissive to form an intimate relationship that may or may not include sex.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 10:19:02 AM

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It had to be pointed out to me that I had the desire to serve and then was introduced to the lifestyle so many years ago. I finally accepted who I was. I thought for a long time that if I admitted that I enjoyed serving and having someone control my life, then I wasn't the strong individual that I always thought I was. Then a wonderful Master once pointed out to me that it takes a strong individual to serve and want to serve and want to lead this life. Once I realized that I was not giving up who I thought I was, but embracing the person that I am it all made sense. Being a slave is not a condition; rather a gift.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 10:34:09 AM

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beth asked me this morning how I knew that she was a slave versus a submissive. (And yes I am of the belief that there is a difference.) I see she chose not to include any of what I said to her.

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How did you come to realize you were a slave? Did you just know?

Regarding beth, I know because from the first there was no compromise or negotiation from her concerning her submission to me. I may have seen fear, concern, and anxiety in her face. I may have noted a tone of aversion in her compliant voice saying; "yes Master". her body language sometimes provides a 'tell' that, with a choice, she may have participated in something I wanted her to experience. However there has never been a time when I saw, heard, or felt any resignation in service.

Instead I saw, and see, an intellectual process going on within her that defines her slavery to me. she overcomes her concern, and perhaps her aversion to something I require of her by drawing upon, for lack of a better term, her slave-self. her persona is not lost in the process, its enhanced. What is being overcome is 35 or so years of family, friends, lovers, and 'professional' counselors; referring to her 'slave' persona as "sick". The vehicle for this self discovery is our relationship. The fuel that makes it go is uncompromising trust in each other.

Every scene, and every experience we share has one goal for both of us. The words I use with her, often during 'play', are "go deeper!" Although I'm expressing them out loud to her, often I doubt her conscience mind has the ability to hear. her conscience hearing the words isn't important. The ongoing and never ending focus on deepening our knowledge of ourselves as well as each other is.

'Master' and 'slave' are irrelevant labels outside the context of a relationship that defines them. Within a relationship they are similarly meaningless to anyone outside it. The words serve a short cut purpose. Maybe for some they provide some form of comfort or status. Having a "Master Certificate" granted by the 'Ancient Royal Order of the Old Swiss Chard', or the print out of your "slave Registry" bar code; hanging on your wall may be important to some, but "the condition of being a slave" or Master, is a function of you and your partner.

beth is my slave - I am her Master only meaningful and appropriate for each other, for the duration of our relationship. We define the words for each other. We feel very fortunate to have compatible and complimentary desires and fantasies that fall within that common definition.

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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 10:37:06 AM

Mizziness

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ORIGINAL: feralkyttin

Several wise dominants and master have told me repeatedly that there were no switches. They told me there are no in betweens. They told me that I should hurry and "decide" what I was. I was very upset by this idea, for I can't just "decide" who I am. If I could do that, then I would surely do that and cease this turmoil!

There exist in this world extremes and what lays between them. Nothing is ever black and white, and while we all have our opinions, we should all know better than to say those opinions are facts. The dominants who told you there were no switches may believe that to be so...but I know many true switches who prove otherwise by existing.

It's like being bisexual...just because I enjoy aspects of men and women does not mean that I am "on the fence" or undecided in what I like.

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Because you won't know who you are
Until you're down on your knees
And you're begging, 'Please...'"
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RE: The condition of being a slave - 11/20/2007 2:49:32 PM

agirl

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ORIGINAL: feralkyttin

Wow, girls. Thank you so much. I had my first tears in a long time a few days ago. They were also my first tears of joy. I have experienced them twice since. I'm afraid more will follow if I elaborate too much, so, for now, just know that I've read your responses and learned a great deal from them

Several wise dominants and master have told me repeatedly that there were no switches. They told me there are no in betweens. They told me that I should hurry and "decide" what I was. I was very upset by this idea, for I can't just "decide" who I am. If I could do that, then I would surely do that and cease this turmoil!

What *wise * dominants and masters have told you is.........well, * Something they've told you*.

As far as this *not so wise* owned person is concerned...you can take as long as your life lasts to decide what you are. And good luck. I still don't know *what* I am but I don't feel any pressure to *have to know*. What does it matter to anyone apart from yourself? It's your life and your journey. Think on things and let them unfold without any pressure. No two people take the same route to anywhere.

agirl

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