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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 7:12:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you saying that you admire Bin Laden?

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 7:23:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Odd thread....I admire people that can hold a crowd in their hand with their words....Sometimes these can actually be rather hateful, horrible people....Farrakhan comes to mind.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 7:42:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		osama bin laden and the rest of the Al Queda scum are not real muslims. they merely READ the words of the koran, not LISTEN to them. In the Koran it states that you may not attack an enemy unprovoked (9/11, USS Cole, marine Barracks, ect), that you may not kill women and children (main bulk of dead from al queda suicide bombers in iraq), nor may you wage Jihad during Ramadan (A LOT of attacks in iraq happened during ramadan). No, these men are frauds, who take young men who have had about a year of schooling and are illiterate and teach them that this is what the Koran says to do. Do not compare Bin laden with other great minds such as Ibn fadlan (the real one), Saladin, Suleiman the great, or kemal Attaturk.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 8:14:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have some admiration for Pat Buchanon. He never equivocates and he's pretty good on foreign policy issues.

I 'm in awe of Dick Cheney, "a staunch defender of freedom, capitalism, and the American way --- also a leading anti-communist" --- for his fine resemblance to Yuri Andropov and inner COMMUNIST leanings toward: secrecy, use of force, strategic leaks, cooked intelligence, committment to a core ideology, and distorted world views (facts).

Its not easy to wrap all that up in one man.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 8:31:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Are you saying that you admire Bin Laden?


Well let's assume Bin Laden wanted to screw up the United States with a sucker punch, and that was his goal. You'd have to tip your hat to the effectiveness pf his terrorist plan to achieve that.

He pretty much tilted the White House off its axis, and transformed the world view of the USA from the good guy to the bad guy.

In other words, he baited us into becoming the terrorist nation you see today: renditions, preemptive invasions, shock and awe, Abu G., blackwater, and foreign policy liars (the WMD ruse to invade IRAQ.)

By all accounts, Bin Laden has bested the White House at every turn.

Now our military is worn, the battle we waged is lost, and out national debt is spiraling while our currency is bottoming out against the Euro.

Sadly, I don't think supply side economic theories and the demonization of IRAN will fix these problems.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 8:35:08 PM   
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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 8:59:41 PM   
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yeh if you are into majic... he tended to make things disappear.


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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:00:17 PM   
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Met Bill Clinton once, he seemed ok


yeh if you are into majic... he tended to make things disappear.



You mean the deficit?

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:01:50 PM   
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Bin Laudin has lead Bush around by the nose and gotten him to do everything he could ever dream of, got to respect that!



calling in the marker.


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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:06:07 PM   
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Now our military is worn, the battle we waged is lost, and out national debt is spiraling while our currency is bottoming out against the Euro.




sounds like its time to panic to me, maybe we will be saved by the nau!  what a brain child and so timely with the initial building blocks already in place since 2005.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:07:16 PM   
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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:07:29 PM   
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Met Bill Clinton once, he seemed ok


yeh if you are into majic... he tended to make things disappear.



You mean the deficit?


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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:21:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bin Laudin had military and civilian goals and he has achieved them.  Just as I can respect the skill of Rommel as a general or Machiavelli for political manuvering.

To admire someone, they have to do things I approve of in a manner I also approve of.  Neither Bush nor Bin Laudin have done that.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 9:28:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

other side of what?



...of you (generic)...

....in other words, who do you admire even though they are not someone you agree with......


"Choose your enemies carefully, for you will become them."  - Unknown

I make fun of those on the right, because they elected a mindless dolt who allowed the largest terrorist attack against the United States (on US soil) to happen on his watch, and then parrotted the words that nobody could predict it.  This despite it being the plot of a book written 10 or so years prior to it happening.

Then they allowed this person to drive the most powerful army in the history of mankind into Mesopotamia against a country that had been forced to completely disarm previously, and succeeded in failing miserably to pacify the country.  This, despite the fact that the previous administration had published in voluminous detail the problems inherent in invading, and succeeded in getting their supporters to blather on about how nobody could have predicted the problems they experienced.

While thus engaged, this person allowed the largest catastrophe in the history of the country, predicted for years by scientists, to happen on their watch.  To add insult to injury, this person was then able to convince these same people to parrot the twaddle that "nobody could have foreseen this happening."

This does not mean I am their enemy.  If anything, I stand in slack-jawed awe of the persuasive and charismatic powers of the village idiot they elected to run the show.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 10:34:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is totally off the political bent and a bit left field, but my answer would be my mother for the most part. When I was growing up I have to say that I hated my Mother, she and I disagreed on everything. She's more physical (she admitted to me once that she was a bully in school) and I'm more emotional (commericals can make me cry, lol). To say we didn't get along is an understatement. Once I tried to put myself up for adoption, the police brought me back home. But now, after many years away from home, I've come to learn to respect my mother. We still have issues between us, but we are finally learning to have a mother-daughter relationship.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 10:50:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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Met Bill Clinton once, he seemed ok


yeh if you are into majic... he tended to make things disappear.



You mean the deficit?


People.
About a hundred people who were associated with the Clintons met an early demise in all kinds of freak "accidents."
Even the laws of probability can't explain that.
Yes, Clinton made the deficit dissapear alright, with the largest tax increase in the history of the country!
And Hillary sold a bunch of stocks right before the capital gains taxes went into effect.
She even "dissapeared" a guy, "Vince Foster."


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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/21/2007 11:40:18 PM   
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The Bush hatred thread has got me thinking........who do you admire on the other side?
(other side could be political, religious or even sport based)



Sure. I've always admired John Gotti { Although he shoulda thrown Sammy the Bull into the river}  I respect Hugo Chavez, Vlad Putin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Hey....they've all stood up to the leader of the free world 



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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/23/2007 7:48:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have an admiration for those Bush chooses to demonize. They have shown insight and true caliber of the human spirit. Some of my thoughts may hit a nerve with some of you,but this is,as always matter of perspective. These people will continue to kill us in swathes,not because of some misinterpretation of the Q'uran but rather because we have pushed them into a corner. They as a people have nothing to lose at this point save,their lives..Therefore they shall fight to the last woman and child because they're world as they know it has been threatened. It is the arrogance of the Western world that everybody wants to be like us,that has forged this villainy. Though the surface of this conflict is about money...it is far deeper...it is arrogance and religion we fight for now. We fight because poor GW is having issues that the playground is sick of the bullying and in his arrogance this is a war to be won. I could go on and on but.....I don't have the time really...I admire the people of Islam for their tenacity and desire to maintain their world as they deem it to be.

If anyone would like to discuss this further,drop me a pm :).

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/23/2007 8:04:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a person who, as President speaks for the people who elected him, his country and his religion. He has set goals and is pushing steadfast to achieve them regardless of outside influence and opinion.

It's a trait we haven't witnessed in the US from any elected official in my adult voting life.

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RE: Admiring the enemy... - 11/23/2007 1:01:42 PM   
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The Bush hatred thread has got me thinking........who do you admire on the other side?
(other side could be political, religious or even sport based)



I wouldn't say admire, but I have a grudging respect for Thatcher...she had a vision, she had principles which she was prepared to live or die by...a million miles from my principles, but she was good for her word.

Spying on your own people is where she fucked up, but we could do with more of her vision and less of the interest group politics currently on offer.

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