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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/23/2007 10:39:10 PM   
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Believe it or not, there are plenty of others in this world who also have termendous and debilitating health problems and who are on disability pensions, etc. (me being one of them), who would not call themselves handicapped. I certainly have never termed myself handicapped. I also work with people with various mental health problems. None of them would use the word handicapped.


I've noticed that handicapped has fallen out of favor (except for parking spaces), but am not sure why. To this naive outsider, it seems much harsher to say that someone is disabled.

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/23/2007 11:06:12 PM   
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I have grown up with all kinds of people. I went to a Rehab place for many, many years. I don't consider people handicapped. I consider them abled.
Please excuse original question due to being very tired and exhausted. i do not like labels either and i have been labeled myself through the years. I have been called retarded, slow, stupid, dumb, and other names you can think of..Because of this i am more sensitive to others. It just didn't come out that way due to my original question.

For my original question (hits her head with a frying pan), sometimes i shake my head and wonder why i say something or phrase it the way i do.
I KNOW BETTER!

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/24/2007 12:06:08 AM   
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the same Australia from this thread http://www.collarchat.com/m_1426621/tm.htm ?
if so, i rest my case...


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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/24/2007 12:21:23 AM   
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handicapped, as a word, only means what people force it to mean. generally, it means that you cant do things exactly as the general population. which doesnt mean you cant do things for yourself, or cant live a full life, but dont dare tell me that those handicapped parking spaces arent placed closer to the entrances of buildings for no reason. as an example, my neighbor lives alone and functions well on her own despite needing a walker to get around(very slowly). she does everything for herself, but its a benefit to her that she has a handicapped parking space because walking is such a chore for her. she can take as long as she needs to to get through the supermarket, but catching the flu by being out in the cold because it takes her so long to get to the store if she parked far away would only be detrimental to her.

im training to work in the medical feild and it urks me how we sugar coat everything. its ok to say that people have handicaps. just because they have them, doesnt mean they cant succesfully over come them. there are so many advances in this day and age; people without legs can walk again and the deaf can hear. but thats not to say that there arent limitations to those fixes. prostetic limbs can only do so much, and conclear implants cant perfectly reproduce sound. in that way, people are still disabled and DO infact have a handicap. they simply dont allow that handicap to effect their lives. i feel as though not using the word makes light of the struggle that people with disabilities go through. there is something to be said about the pride that i have seen in people when they say "i have a handicap because (my foot is gone, i have lost my sight, chemo has destroyed my immunity, i will be stuck to this machine for the rest of my life), but i will/have overcome it and it no longer effects me". 

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/24/2007 8:26:51 AM   
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ADHD is a problem for me and I am sure that it is for those around me, but my friends understand and help to channel this energy. I have learned to deal with it and I am not a pill popper. I have to know how to handle it and trust me, others at times have thought I should take med's. See, it is part of who I am and that is okay...people can either take me or leave me. I am here for me and not to conform to what others think I should be. Face it, there are two sides of the scale and it takes both to find a balance. I have high energy...some have found that to be a bonus.

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/24/2007 8:28:50 AM   
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FYI...I do not have a blue parking pass because of my ADHD...so it is an issuse but no way a hanicap...I am a "normal" defect...LOL

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 5:00:56 PM   
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well i'm sure when i finally meet my Master that i'll have to remind him of my hydrocephalus and the reactions of what to look for. And i'll have to remind him that i can't kneel for six hours as a punishment due to my cerebral palsy...but he loves me just the same.

i understood what you were saying. No harm no foul.

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 5:13:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

You can rant all you want chelle, but the fact remains "handicapped" is a term not used in Australia for years. The definition of handicapped implies a helplessness that few people, even those on disability pensions, have.


Not so much in America.  My subbie has cerebal palsy, and having that handicapped parking placard definitely makes it easier on him.  It's a major pet peeve of mine when some non-handicapped asswipe pulls into a handicapped parking spot in front of us and he has to walk across a wet parking lot on crutches if I can't drop him off any closer. 

He's definitely not helpless, but the reality is that his legs don't work so well.  So yes, he's handicapped.  That is what we call it in America.  It doesn't imply anything other than the reality of a significant disability. 

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 5:17:14 PM   
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Isn't Australia where Santa can't say "ho, ho, ho" anymore either? Pc at it's most ridiculous.

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 5:30:21 PM   
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Depending on the issue (that's my word and I'm stickin' to it), I may or may not play with a sub or accept them as mine.  I have a dear friend who I've known for years and years - she's Deaf (hard of hearing is only acceptable if you're hard of hearing, or have gone deaf but not joined Deaf culture - just FYI).  She has expressed an interest in BDSM, and I have agreed to teach her some, and play with her some, and also teach her boyfriend (who is exploring his Dom side with great aplomb). 

In the end, it's no different than any other relationship between fully healthy people - you learn about the other person's limits, and communicate, communicate, communicate.  From there, if those limits are things you are willing to accept, you move on.  If they're not - you don't.

Personally I don't have a problem communicating with my friend, since I'm fluent in ASL.  But it does create some need for attention.  I like to talk a lot when I'm in a scene.  Naturally chatty, don'tcha know?  That means I have to be in front of her and either signing, or making sure she is understanding what I'm saying.  I have to pay better attention to her body language, I have to make sure I'm not just depending on what sounds she makes to tell me how she's feeling.

I have to know her normal sounds, so that I'm not alarmed when she makes them - and to know what her voice sounds like under stress.  It's all the same things you do with a new sub, really - you just need to look for different signals, and if you're not used to the issue, then you have to maybe take it a little slower through the process.

If I blindfold her, I have to remember that it's TOTAL sensory deprivation - that she'll be trusting me completely, and looking for my touch, not just listening for my voice.  That we would need physical feeling of some sort to ease the isolation - or remembering that she's going to be totally isolated if I'm not touching her (or beating or tying her).  A safe word becomes a ball in the hand, in the same manner as a ball might be given to a sub who is gagged.  Not because she couldn't make a sound, but because if she's trying to sign to me, I may or may not pay attention - so something different is required to make absolutely sure that she's as safe as she can be, and that I will pay attention to the sign to stop, no matter what.

Sure, it requires some outside-the-box thinking, but it's fun, and it's certainly different - and I am so pleased that she would trust me enough to introduce these things to her, and so proud of her for the courage it takes to explore this path. 

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 7:48:47 PM   
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As someone diagnosed with ADD, dyslexia and OCD, such things are only "impairments, disabilities, handicaps, etc." if I allow them to be.  I have learned to train my mind so that I can function productively without meds for them, and Master and I communicate just fine.  He capitalizes on my my qualities and deficiencies to get the best out of me.

And Handicap is still a golf term, as far as I know...

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 7:54:35 PM   
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I have some anxiety issues and some health issues. He avoids those things which set off panic attacks and those things which would cause me physical distress. But my value to him is not based on what I can't do, but what I can.

However if his greatest kink was inverted suspension, which I won't do because it would set off vertigo, then we wouldn't be compatible.

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 8:39:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Not so much in America.  My subbie has cerebal palsy, and having that handicapped parking placard definitely makes it easier on him.  It's a major pet peeve of mine when some non-handicapped asswipe pulls into a handicapped parking spot in front of us and he has to walk across a wet parking lot on crutches if I can't drop him off any closer. 

He's definitely not helpless, but the reality is that his legs don't work so well.  So yes, he's handicapped.  That is what we call it in America.  It doesn't imply anything other than the reality of a significant disability. 



just wanted to point out that some of us not so obviously handicapped asswipes need to park in the handicapped spots too...i have no outward signs of my disability...when i walk into a store i am "perfectly normal"...when i walk out it is only by the grace of God that i make it to my car...my doctors would really like it that i not drive at all, but someone has to groccery shop...i usually stop for about 15 minutes at the benches outside before i walk to the 1st or 2nd spot that i got with my handica placard with my right foot dragging and load my grocceries into my car using only my left hand...then sit another 15 minutes with some asswipe honking at me because i didn't get out of the spot fast enough...but i am waiting till i can drive the 10 minutes home safely...

chelle...who doesn't use crutches or a wheel chair or a cane but will use the heck out of that handicapped placard...


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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/27/2007 9:37:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

just wanted to point out that some of us not so obviously handicapped asswipes need to park in the handicapped spots too...i have no outward signs of my disability...chelle...who doesn't use crutches or a wheel chair or a cane but will use the heck out of that handicapped placard...


Right, but you HAVE a placard, because you've been to a doctor who concurs that you do in fact have a medical condition.   I have no problem with that.  It's the people who don't have a placard or a license plate tag who steal the handicapped space out from under the handicapped guy's hand-control-driven car and then jog laughing to the door with apparent health and vigor that I have issues with.  Maybe they are handicapped....mentally handicapped, because parking in a blue space without that placard is a hefty fine, and I make damn sure they get whacked with it. 

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/28/2007 6:52:59 AM   
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Dear winterlight, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my many years in the scene, especially in the Gay/Lesbian Leather circles, there are many who have physical issues which makes things difficult and often people assume and or have perceptions about those dealing with their bodies and at times--its a fear to which is rather based on trying not to say or do something wrong.
 
So often what we fear, we do not understand.  Because of the majority being of a kind nature just don't often find a way to strike up a gentle conversation as to learn, to share and perhaps find that common ground which all of us have.  It really is a communication issue and without communication--we're all put into an awkward position. 
 
In my high school years, I picked up a book called; "Joy of Signing."  I heard well in those days however, my father suffered hearing loss during battle in World War II.  I'm of that generation where old soldiers, sailors, Marines and such, were our parents, neighbors, teachers and more.
I taught myself how to Sign.  I am rusty and nearly rusted shut, as with any skill--don't use it--you loose it.  That said, there are many who are deaf and or mute in the lifestyle, I've seen them having Mr. or Ms. Deaf Leather contests--they are so fantastic and a lot of fun.
 
In or out of the scene, I have personally found that those deaf and or mute, often bend backwards to help share their Sign Language and are excited by anybody hearing and able to speak, make an effort to learn a bit of Sign Language.  There is no real expectation for anybody able to hear or speak to become instant Signers.  They just appreciate the effort and the respect given that they're just like anybody else.  I marvel at a wonderful ambassador to the hearing world, International Mr. Deaf Leather 2004-- Teddy O'Rourke; who is so talented and so giving of his time to any group that will have him; to address this awkward situation and perhaps bridge the common communication stumbling block as how to best approach any who may have a difference which puts a person in a state of awkwardness.  How to approach and both parties leave in a better way and or understanding of each other.  It all boils down--we're all human and we deal with what we have, as far as the physical sense.
 
I openly applaud efforts by SIR Robert Davis, International Leather SIR 2004, who often gives a platform for those representing the many faces of "Leather," as well offering that communication bridge of those who have more qualities in life than just their physical issues.
 
Growing old myself, my body isn't able to do all what I really want to do still, had done in the past.  Internally, I am the same person, with skill, knowledge and such--just my package is sagging, the 'bones' of my package are failing.  How long I remain active will be dependent on my physical abilities.  This is why I love to teach and or mentor--as to pass the torch to those better able.  I know I will die one day--but, I've done my time and I've given all I got every single day.  I shall do so, to the end of my days.  I'm afraid all of us will age and experience break downs.  It is how you handle things, is what matters--knowing you have done your best, been your best and are your best.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/28/2007 9:41:44 AM   
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In or out of the scene, I have personally found that those deaf and or mute, often bend backwards to help share their Sign Language and are excited by anybody hearing and able to speak, make an effort to learn a bit of Sign Language. There is no real expectation for anybody able to hear or speak to become instant Signers. They just appreciate the effort and the respect given that they're just like anybody else. I marvel at a wonderful ambassador to the hearing world, International Mr. Deaf Leather 2004-- Teddy O'Rourke; who is so talented and so giving of his time to any group that will have him; to address this awkward situation and perhaps bridge the common communication stumbling block as how to best approach any who may have a difference which puts a person in a state of awkwardness. How to approach and both parties leave in a better way and or understanding of each other. It all boils down--we're all human and we deal with what we have, as far as the physical sense.


there was one time that will stick out forever in my mind when i was sitting in a room at an event with hundreds of hearing people and 1 or 2 deaf people (i am not sure exactly, maybe there were more) and nearly everyone in the audience did the sign for a round of applause instead of clapping....it was incredibly unifying....it was the first time i had ever seen something like that, making the "minority" feel a part of, rather than like they "got to come along"...

chelle


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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/28/2007 4:12:28 PM   
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Dear chellekitty, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
This is exactly how things in life can be--including.  From your own experiences, it will never be forgotten.
 
So to, it is just as much of an opportunity to be gracious and tolerant of those who might have more disabilities and or handicaps and or any other 'term' that is comfortable to use.  The most unnoticed 'disability/handicap' are those within the mind--even a normal and or sound mind. [Smiles]  It is often given the term and or identity of 'closed mind' and or 'prejudice.'
 
I can only ask on my part, is to be patient with me as those who have challenges have an opportunity to help us(in general) get through our awkwardness.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 11/28/2007 4:17:44 PM   
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I remember in Atlanta back in the late 90s receiving a phone call around 11pm at night on my BDSM group phone.  Usually I didn't answer it during the week after 11pm but decided to this time.  It was a TDD(?) operator that was "translating" for a deaf submissive woman.  We talked for about a hour and she asked a lot of questions.  Keep in mind this is Georgia.  I answered her but I remember hesitating occasionally.   The operator was uncomfortable with some of the conversation.  I remember the second time I paused at a question the operator said for the girl "Don't be nervous, she's only doing her job"

I kind of got off on it.  I ended up becoming good friend with grrl chris too (I wonder if she's still around).

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 12/5/2007 9:14:27 AM   
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I am not going to issue a rant about the word handicapped, because l know that sometimes language doesn't always transcend borders . But please can l ask you to look at changing the word from handicapped to disability.

The word handicap came from a bygone time of subjugation and servitude. When serfs under pain of death had to salute their masters.......... hand to cap..here in Europe it is considered most disrespectful and offensive to refer to a person with disabilities as handicapped.

As a side issue at a disability awareness seminar, l was asked how many people did l think had some form of disability here in the UK. Oh possibly 10 million l replied, nope 26 million people suffer with some form of disability. It can be non visual, physical, mental, infirmness due to age in fact anything that effects the quality of of a persons life....steps down from soap box...thank you for listening

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RE: Handicapped sub/slaves - 12/5/2007 9:21:57 AM   
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I'm ADHD-- I find it to be a benefit in my life as do the people who are in my life.

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

Do any of you have a sub/slave that has ADD, ADHD or deaf. How do You communicate with Your sub/slave.
Does the above cause you to pause in accepting anybody?

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