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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Is he pissed? I can't see anything, I have him on "block."

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Americans were tired of paying money for something that didn't benefit them...Which describes 70+% of the taxpayers idea about the illegals...Did you hear the way the (sh)amnesty was defeated TWICE by Americans protesting with faxes, not a street-riot, but doesn't that just make us MORE valid?
Not at all. Since there are more citizens than illegal aliens then it would make sense that their voice would be heard.  If something is valid it is valid not more or less valid.  I see you are still having trouble with basic English.  Was there something in any of my posts that would lead you to believe that I am in favor of illegal immigration?  If so please let me disabuse you of that notion.


As to subsidizing, http://www.heritage.org/Research/InternationalOrganizations/BG1335.cfm America paid about $50 BILLION to "bail out" Mexico's economy, but it didn't buy us the goodwill we'd hoped for...
Are you suggesting that the U.S. did not benefit from that little business transaction?
Are you suggesting that if a banker loans you money to buy a house that you are then obligated to suck his dick?  It is a business deal and business is business it is not a bribe.


Plus NAFTA, and a few other "agreements"...Plus, of course, the $53 BILLION the illegals allegedly sent "home" last year! if you cut off the stream of plunder,
It is not plunder it is money that they earned by the sweat of their brow. Please learn to speak English.  You are an adult.  You have a job.  If you do not know what a word means then buy a dictionary.

or at least redirect it back into America's economy,
It might interest you to know that California is the fourth largest economy in the world.  California's number one trading partner is Mexico.  It would seem that it is redirected back into Americas economy.

wouldn't that HELP stop the flow of invaders
You are an adult and you still do not know what the word invader means?

, since their home-country would no longer benefit...Isn't that the asset-forfeiture you were describing?
I have explained this before but you seem unable to comprehend it.  Tyson foods is involved in the criminal enterprise of hiring illegal aliens.  Thus Tyson foods assets are forfeit and the board of directors and all the share holders of Tyson foods go to jail and all of their property is forfeit.


Drugging and sterilization are the best way to deal with foreigns
What part of "that is a felony" do you not understand Mr. Law and Order?

who don't seem to want to stay in their own country,
If you had studied history you would have learned that we took half of their country at the point of a gun in a war of aggression.

they want to invade and ruin ours!
You clearly do not wish to understand what the word invade means.
What have they done to ruin our country?  The people who are ruining our country are the ones who hire them.


Remember, until they get PERMISSION, they're not supposed to be in OUR country! Invaders and/or parasites ARE the correct term for those, look it up on
By that definition we are all parasites.  Are you a symbiotic or symbiatic parasite?  Which are they?  For a man who demands others speak English you do not seem to apply the same demands to yourself.


www.dictionary.com!
Hell, Carlos Slim is the second-richest person in the world, why can't they hit HIM up for the money they "need"? http://www.mexidata.info/id601.html
Most likely for the same reason you cannot hit Donald Trumph up for some money.


As to what America has given them, "free" health-care
They get the same "free" health care that any American gets because they pay for it just like American citizens pay for it.  They pay for it with the taxes that are deducted from their pay.  If that money is not relayed to the appropriate agency then it is the employer who is stealing from the tax payers.

, "free" translation to their language,
As I have mentioned several times before the U.S. has no national language.  Is there some part of that that still escapes your understanding?  When forms are printed in different languages it simply recognizes what you refuse to recognize.  I am sure that you are aware that there are special instructions for those who cannot read.  The illiterate are given verbal test at the DMV.

rather than having them go/stay home until they can learn our language, food, housing (Including the prison-system), education...all of it gratis from the AMERICAN taxpayer!
Since they pay taxes just like everyone else they by definition are not getting anything for free.


Not to mention annoyance of "Press 1 for English"...If I'm calling from America, what the hell do they THINK I'll speak? Swahili?
I will mention it again...America has no national language.  Those business enterprises who wish to expand their customer base will logically reach out to them in what ever language their demographic studies indicates will spend their money with them.


Or, of course, the Spanish subtitles on pretty much ALL consumer goods...from food to bathrooms (Guess the international symbols of the stick-figures isn't a good enough clue?) to big-screen TVs! (How can they afford that? They're underpaid and "exploited"! Wah!)
How many people making less than ten dollars an hour do you know who have a "big screen TV"?  Are you against all Latinos having a big screen TV?  There are many Latinos who are citizens and have good paying jobs.  Please stop trying to lump them all together for purely rhetorical purposes.


Doesn't that indicate an unwillingness to learn English?
While I speak more than one language I am more comfortable in English.  Would it not make sense that someone who's first language is Japanese would be more comfortable with that language even though they spoke English.

(And a surprising willingness to sell out on the part of our major retailers, but I think we agree on that one?)
Sell...yes, sell out not at all.


As to illegals paying tax, cash has this habit of slipping under the radar
If you cheat on your taxes concerning your cash income why do you automatically translate that felonious behavior pattern  to those whom you hate?


, especially when they can't legally work in America! Property taxes are harder to dodge, but the illegals have come up with a "clever" way: Stuff several dozen in a single-family dwelling, pay only for ONE dwelling!
You mean like the Kennedy Clan?  So much for family values.  Of course you never had a roommate to help cover the rent.  I am sure you also report to the code enforcement people all of your acquaintances who have room mates.


BANG! Lower property-taxes for them; they get out of MOST of payment for schools!
You don't speak Spanish and you do not know any illegal aliens(because if you did you would report them and they would have been deported) but you speak "Ex Cathedra" on this subject.  Isn't that more than a little presumptuous?

Oddly, they have more children than Americans
Since the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens in this country are single males this is just a silly statement. 

...Less money paid in, but more demands! How "clever"!
No just blatant self imposed ignorance on your part.


And yes, I know you weren't supposed to teach slaves to read and write, but some did so anyways...Frederick Douglass wrote that learning reduced the usefulness of a slave to its masters
I think your use of the pronoun it instead of a personal pronoun speaks directly to your bigotry.  Have you forgotten that slaves were humans and not objects called "it"?


...Might he have meant "productivity"? As such, the DREAM Act was a singularly dumb idea: Amnesty AND subsidize their college-learning?
I've been in several airports before...Due to Dad's military career, I've moved 27 times by age 14...That should be enough "seeing the world" for pretty much anyone!
How many foreign languages did you learn in all of those countries?

It's these very travels that made me realize America IS better than the enemy countries,
Why was your father stationed in an enemy country?  How do you define "enemy country"?



but unless we get a LOT more selective with immigration, they'll make our area just like theirs! (For a quick example, go to Crete, and look at the area where our Air Force Base WAS!)
My country let your people in.  Would you have preferred us to have been more selective then?

I don't see what airports have to do with it, though, since a good deal more of our illegals simply walk across our porous border.
Since airports are part of the boarder and you stated that the boarder is not protected by armed guards I was pointing out one more of the many inaccurate statements you have made.

Airports are armed now, because we're expecting the Moslems to try the same trick twice
I thought we were trying to stop terrorist not a whole religious group...did I miss something while I was taking my nap?


...Unless, of course, we're "keeping them busy" on their own soil as some have claimed in another thread? But I digress...
Were you not aware that all but one of the 911 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia (our Ally) the other was from Quatar.  We are not keeping any of those people occupied.  We are in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Did you also fail geography?



If our border were armed, then anyone coming across at any point OTHER than a government-sanctioned checkpoint would be dead...
For a man with a page full of excuses for not putting  on a uniform you seem to be rather blood thirsty.



(In a bit of morbid humor, their bones would function as a natural wall!)
A task which you have expressed a rather profound reluctance to perform yourself.


I don't know how he learned enough English for his tough-guy speech, if he had memorized it from some gangland TV drama, or his parents had coached him on it...I really don't care! He couldn't/wouldn't learn any more than that, so he flunked.
So you are saying it was his inability to learn and not your inability to teach that caused him to flunk.  If he did not speak English it would stand to reason that his parents could not speak English.  So the question how was he able to speak so eloquently to you in English.  Are you sure you are not making this up?
I am still confused as to just how someone who does not speak Spanish teach someone who does not speak English  how to speak English.  Would you mind telling us just how you accomplished that.


..Heck, even dogs can be taught to say "I love you!"...parrots can repeat ANYTHING!
More hyperbole...dogs cannot be taught to say "I love you" people can be conned into hearing a dog say "I love you".  Parrots can only be taught to say some things not anything.
You see when you make stuff up like this it just cast doubt on the rest of what you say.



As to the cost of living thing, there's a "thriving" expatriate community in Mexico...But they don't actually OWN their houses or land, it's kept "in trust" for them, which means that Mexico's government can yank it right back on a whim
I would like you to prove this.
I would not go so far as to call you a liar but rather I would like to believe that you are misinformed on the subject.

--not a bad idea, but America would NEVER do that, right?
Actually amerika does this a lot.  When the U.S. deported over a million American citizens of Latino ethnicity in the thirties their land was confiscated.
When the Japanese were interred during world war II their land was confiscated.  Don't they teach history in Missouri?


As to my citizenship, I have all kinds of different IDs, from library-card to military ID, and of course, the much-maligned Social Security card!
Once again I will ask you how any of those prove your citizenship?


As to "those I'm biased against", why should international criminals be treated well, especially WHEN (not if) they try to invade America?
Since you approve of criminal acts you are in no position to cast aspersions on "international criminals" and please do try to look up what the word "invader" means.


Just because they're poor? Given that logic, I could sneak into your house, and have you pay all the bills I incur, and if you started to demand I pay my own way or get the hell out, I could call YOU bigoted! Right?
Wrong...I will say it again for the umpteenth time...I am not in favor of illegal immigration.  You seem blind to my repeated statements concerning this.  Is the size of my type not large enough?  Or do you just not comprehend what you read?


Did I miss any of your points, WITHOUT resorting to insulting you?
Yes you missed all of my points.  Which I have gone to great lengths to explain to you as simply and as plainly as I know how.

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in·vade      /ɪnˈveɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-veyd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -vad·ed, -vad·ing.
–verb (used with object)



1.
to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.



2.
to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields.



3.
to enter as if to take possession: to invade a neighbor's home.



4.
to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: viruses that invade the bloodstream.



5.
to intrude upon: to invade the privacy of a family.



6.
to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens.



7.
to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house.



8.
to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs. –verb (used without object)



9.
to make an invasion: troops awaiting the signal to invade.

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Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.

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Tisha Roberts, a supervisor at an Orange County, California, institution that assists children in foster care, has given up hope that the illegitimacy rate will taper off. “It’s going to continue to grow,” she says, “until we can put birth control in the water.”

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thompsonx I think I love you...mwuahhhhhh
its ok tho I wont stalk ya...promise
Lucy

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

You keep implying that I don't know English...Let's look up "invader" together...The old paper dictionary Merriam-Webster's Ninth Collegiate Edition lists "invader" as "One who invades"...Shocking, and kind of humorous, really...
Let's look up "invade" online, so I can copy&paste it for your education:

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in·vade      /ɪnˈveɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-veyd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -vad·ed, -vad·ing.
–verb (used with object)



1.
to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.



2.
to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields.



3.
to enter as if to take possession: to invade a neighbor's home.



4.
to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: viruses that invade the bloodstream.



5.
to intrude upon: to invade the privacy of a family.



6.
to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens.



7.
to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house.



8.
to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs. –verb (used without object)



9.
to make an invasion: troops awaiting the signal to invade.

Which of those do you think does NOT apply to the Mexican invaders?
None of the above apply to your imagined meaning of the word.  Just  because you want it to mean something does not make it mean that.  It is for this reason I question your ability to understand the English language.

Note that these are pretty much the same comparisons I used to boot...One country invades another, locusts, bad neighbors, a disease, infringing on American rights, etc.
As to plunder vs. sweat-of-the-brow, please remember, they're not supposed to work in America, therefore any income they get here is illegal also--oh, wait, they're not even supposed to BE in America, which would semi-automatically preclude WORKING in America!
Once again your inability to comprehend the English language rears its ugly head.  The fact that they are here illegally I have never disputed.  The fact that they work for what they get is my point.


As to why I believe you're in favor of the illegals, you seem to blame corporations and Mexicans are just innocent dupes that "somehow" got caught in the middle
Your assessment is absolutely correct in that the corporations are to blame and not the illegal aliens.  But to attribute any favor on my part to the illegals is hardly consistent with your understanding of the situation.

...Plus, you don't seem to believe America's ownership of our southwest quadrant to be valid (We conquered it, THEN paid for it,
Wrong once again.  We offered thirty million for California.  When Mexico refused to sell it we took half of their country and gave them ten million.  That is called armed robbery.



THEN paid more for the tiny strip at the SE corner of Arizona to build a railroad), and you are against enforcement that would STICK to illegals? (The current deportation intact scheme seems to be an 80's cartoon, they don't get the "And STAY out!" bit!)
What I suggest would create good paying jobs for American citizens,destroy any incentive for illegal aliens to come here and add tons of money to the public coffers with out adding one person to the government payroll.  You on the other hand want to employ tons of new government employees to exterminate people who do not look like you.


Let's assume that a corporation called Zero Evident Nationalism In Their Hubris--ZENITH for short--has moved its operations wholesale down to Mexico, giving up a few thousand American jobs in the process...These jobs magically appear on the MEXICAN side of the border, therefore that many foreigns have no more need to invade America...The opportunities were taken from Americans and handed to the Mexicans,
This was done by the people you put into office and corporate amerika, it is called NAFTA.  It takes good paying jobs from
American citizens and gives them to slaves who we keep on the other side of the boarder.  Do you really support this assault on the middle class of America?

but they sneer at this, and pass into America anyways. Maybe they just don't "believe" the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and/or the Gadsen Purchase to be binding and/or to have ever happened...as such, in their minds, America is still at war with Mexico (And two World Wars haven't yet happened...They have over 1½ CENTURIES to catch up on!)
I have tried to explain this to you at least a half dozen times but you have your mind made up and refuse to recognize historical fact.
Imagine if someone were to invade your house and put their foot on your throat and a gun to your head and tell you to sign your house away.  How is that different?
 


As to the majority of illegals being single males, that makes no difference to their third-world fertility.
Did you also not study biology?  Just how is it that single males have a high birth rate?



..Please read http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_family_values.html
Note particularly the parts:

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Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock,
The U.S. census does not seem to bear out this rather thinly disguised bit of bigotry.



a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.

Let's assume that to be part of the "havoc" I mentioned...
Lets not assume anything and simply note that is the havoc you imagine.



The article goes on to say that the MEXICAN age of consent is 15, which they continue to obey here in America (3-6 years UNDER our age-of-consent law...Statutory rape, anyone?)
The age of consent in France is 12.  Are you presumptuous enough to make laws for other countries?

And there's some kind of POSITIVE social status for getting pregnant early and often, combined with no stigma for asking for "help" from America's welfare...But especially telling is the end quote:

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Tisha Roberts, a supervisor at an Orange County, California, institution that assists children in foster care, has given up hope that the illegitimacy rate will taper off. “It’s going to continue to grow,” she says, “until we can put birth control in the water.”

You two seem to have the same penchant for poisoning people against their will.


She might've been saying that sarcastically, but it SOUNDS like she had the idea to put birth-control in EVERYONE's water, not just the illegals'?
I don't know which your country is, nor do I know why you misspell America as amerika...You have to capitalize the A and it's a C, not K...Are you doing this for humor value?
I have explained it a few times but since you fail to comprehend what you read I will try once more.
America is the country I wore a uniform and took hostile fire to protect.  amerika are those who would make a mockery of that service.

Or is that the "undiscovered country" Shakespeare wrote of?
America "let" me in because I am the child of two American parents...I guess it comes as a surprise when Americans use the 14th Amendment, rather than illegals' spawn?
As to proving my citizenship, I don't know what proof you'll accept...
I will accept any form of ID that actually identifies you as an American citizen.  Your birth certificate does not do that.  Your dependents ID does not do that.  Your social security card does not do that.  Your drivers license does not do that.  So once again how do you prove that you are an American citizen.


As to America not having an official language, we really haven't NEEDED one until lately, it was one of the founding fathers' assumptions that
How presumptuous of you to declare what the assumptions of the founders were. 


"We the People of the United States" would be ENGLISH-speakers, given that the country was founded in large part by English,
Which history book denies that the Dutch,French,Spanish and German had no part in the settling of North America?



and even our founding documents are printed in English...And our National Anthem (BTW, the attempted Spanish translation of it that got everyone upset was REALLY terrible, even worse than the Babelfish translation!) For centuries,
Centuries as in all both of them?

English has been the de-facto language of the realm; tradition with the force of law
Tradition is not law.

and all that, right? Besides, specifying "English-speaking white males over the age of consent" would have broken up the prosaic flow of the Preamble...
As to confiscating land from people with divided loyalties, America's not the only one to have done that, and they've ex-post-facto discovered that SOME of the Japanese-Americans WERE sending messages to their brethren overseas
It would be interested in seeing your proof of this assertion.



...And I think I already covered at least ONE Meixcan-American whose loyalties were to the wrong side,
That would be your opinion and nothing more.

so doesn't it make sense that there'd be others? Say, perhaps a few big "advocacy" groups that teach new invaders how to bilk the system and dodge the annoying laws?
Why is it when corporate amerika bilks the system and dodge the annoying laws it is called sharp business sense but when some poor person does it you cry foul?


Plus, it can't be any worse than Mexico confiscating American expatriates' bank-holdings during the Peso Crisis of 1994-1995 (Also called the December Mistake and/or the Tequila Effect--Look it up!)
Kinda like bush&co and the savings and loan debacle?


Speaking of American expatriates' properties being easily confiscatable, try http://www.libertypropertiesmexico.com/index.php?action=page_display&PageID=11 It's a real-estate company, so it is in their best interest to gloss over the idea that Americans "may" lose their land, but even they admit it's in trust, not actually owned...But any of the pages on http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=American+expatriates+property+held+in+trust+Mexico will tell you much the same thing...Including an article by Free Republic that lists a house WITH maid and gardener for $500/month! Some of the other expatriate sites have "warnings" and/or ads that you'll need security (bodyguards, not the cute electronic devices Americans use on OUR side of the border), because Mexico has a higher crime-rate, and they target Americans--Imagine that!
I have read your citations and found that they do not say what you purport that they say.
What they say is that land is held by American citizens in Mexico in much the same way it is held by American citizens in the U.S. with the exception of land within a certain distance from the boarders of Mexico...that land is held in a different manner but does not allow for confiscation without just compensation.


So what parts have I not covered?
So far you have failed to answer a single one of my points...on the other hand you have used this response to litter the page with more of your bigoted vile verbiage.

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
Well, America has LEGAL immigration occurring in the MILLIONS of people, and ILLEGALS (i.e., people who already believe their "need" or their "culture" exempts them from the rules!) are anywhere from 12 to 40 MILLION more!
That makes it hard for even America's "mighty" assimilation engine to digest them all!
As to defending/defining America's culture, I think it could be broken down into 5 basic subsets:
1.) SPEAK ENGLISH! If we can't understand you, then you are emphasizing that you don't belong here, and taxpayers will resent the extra burden of hiring translators at OUR expense...If you offered to pay for translation, that might be a lucrative--I mean different--story!
America, after all, was founded by Englishmen who stopped paying taxes for services they weren't receiving (This was before the IRS)...The Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights, and later Amendments were all written in English!
Therefore, it makes sense to say we're an English-based society!
2.) Wait to be ALLOWED into America. Don't just force your way in, and expect Americans to like it...Modern houses have a door, and even the Internet has "block" features, so we can keep out the ones we don't want; our country is no different! Come in the front door WITH PERMISSION, or don't come in at all!
Yes, before yet another person points it out, we DID takeover this land from savages who had stagnated at or near Bronze Age technology, and therefore couldn't compete with "A Fistful of BoomStick"!
That said, we can either whine about it, or learn from it, and don't let ANOTHER foreign power invade and takeover OUR land and force US onto reservations (Although I doubt they would, they need SOME intelligent people around to run the high-tech infrastructure they're getting addicted to!)
3.) Don't DEMAND anything, not welfare, not translation, nor any other services. You're a GUEST here, you're NEW here! You're in no position to make demands..."Beggars can't be choosers" and all that!
America, as a sovereign entity, doesn't HAVE to let anyone in...The fact that we do speaks to our generosity, not the invaders' "right" to be here!
4.) Obey our laws! If your "culture" and our law come into conflict, follow OUR ways, not your own, or please return to a country where YOUR ways are practiced.
5.) Try to minimize your alienness! Chanting in an enemy language on an airplane, wearing all-concealing clothing in an area where they're trying to search for weapons, speaking another language in public, or marching down the streets under an enemy flag...All of these tend to point out "alien", if not "enemy"!

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      So take him off and look.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thompsonx I think I love you...mwuahhhhhh
its ok tho I wont stalk ya...promise
Lucy

Damn you....get a gents hopes up and then dash them  shame on you.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thompsonx I think I love you...mwuahhhhhh
its ok tho I wont stalk ya...promise
Lucy

Would you share :-) ?

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Why support thompsonx? His last few posts seem to confuse a desire to keep America from being overrun with "racism"--but he udderly
Aren't those tits?  You continue to carp about about those who cannot speak English but do not seem to hold yourself to the same standard.

ignored GoddessDustyGold's posts on the same topic...Namely, we don't hate Mexicans out-of-hand, just that they "happen" to be the majority of illegals...No room for all of them..."Why can't they learn English" is NOT a codeword for racism, it's simply their disrespect for America...etc.
All the same points I made, yet he had nothing to say about her posts...Of course, it WAS on the "multiculturalism is dangerous" thread...
Perhaps it is because she does not engage in the sort of vile bigoted verbiage that you do.
Perhaps it is because she does not want to drug and sterilize people against their will.
Perhaps it is because she does command the English language and has the ability to make herself understood without making up meanings for common words.
Perhaps it is because she does not want to mine the boarder or shoot any illegal alien on sight.
Perhaps it is because she does not seek to make a wall of bones of murdered human beings.
Perhaps you might put yourself under her tutelage and learn a little respect for your fellow human beings.
While she and me may not agree on specifics she is never rude,vile or acerbic

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     So take him off and look.

Heritic, I did.
Now I remember why I've had him on "Block" all this time.
Thankyou.

You know you live and breath for my each and every postdenile is not just a river in Egypt.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
None of the above apply to your imagined meaning of the word.  Just  because you want it to mean something does not make it mean that.  It is for this reason I question your ability to understand the English language.
All of the above apply, with the possible exception of #7--YET!
Note that these are pretty much the same comparisons I used to boot...One country invades another, locusts, bad neighbors, a disease, infringing on American rights, etc.
As to plunder vs. sweat-of-the-brow, please remember, they're not supposed to work in America, therefore any income they get here is illegal also--oh, wait, they're not even supposed to BE in America, which would semi-automatically preclude WORKING in America!
Once again your inability to comprehend the English language rears its ugly head.  The fact that they are here illegally I have never disputed.  The fact that they work for what they get is my point.
They don't have the right to the profits, because they never came in legally!
As to why I believe you're in favor of the illegals, you seem to blame corporations and Mexicans are just innocent dupes that "somehow" got caught in the middle
Your assessment is absolutely correct in that the corporations are to blame and not the illegal aliens.  But to attribute any favor on my part to the illegals is hardly consistent with your understanding of the situation.
How are the illegals blameless? They CHOOSE to come over here...American companies, because of NAFTA or other "agreements", have provided them jobs that they don't even have to invade America for! How convenient!

...Plus, you don't seem to believe America's ownership of our southwest quadrant to be valid (We conquered it, THEN paid for it,
Wrong once again.  We offered thirty million for California.  When Mexico refused to sell it we took half of their country and gave them ten million.  That is called armed robbery.
Actually, it's more like eminent domain...That said, wars have been fought over property-boundaries for millennia, and will most likely continue...

THEN paid more for the tiny strip at the SE corner of Arizona to build a railroad), and you are against enforcement that would STICK to illegals? (The current deportation intact scheme seems to be an 80's cartoon, they don't get the "And STAY out!" bit!)
What I suggest would create good paying jobs for American citizens,destroy any incentive for illegal aliens to come here and add tons of money to the public coffers with out adding one person to the government payroll.  You on the other hand want to employ tons of new government employees to exterminate people who do not look like you.
Who said anything about tons of new government employees or extermination? If America is to be the world's Humane Society, let it be so all the way: Neuter the strays and destroy the ones that attack citizens! But it will still be their CHOICE to come to America! I, nor any other American, that I know of, have not held a weapon to the invaders' throats and forced them to come here!

Let's assume that a corporation called Zero Evident Nationalism In Their Hubris--ZENITH for short--has moved its operations wholesale down to Mexico, giving up a few thousand American jobs in the process...These jobs magically appear on the MEXICAN side of the border, therefore that many foreigns have no more need to invade America...The opportunities were taken from Americans and handed to the Mexicans,
This was done by the people you put into office and corporate amerika, it is called NAFTA.  It takes good paying jobs from American citizens and gives them to slaves who we keep on the other side of the boarder.  Do you really support this assault on the middle class of America?
No, but remember, it gives jobs to foreigns so they won't HAVE to invade America! Yet they do anyways...Isn't that just ungrateful?

but they sneer at this, and pass into America anyways. Maybe they just don't "believe" the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and/or the Gadsen Purchase to be binding and/or to have ever happened...as such, in their minds, America is still at war with Mexico (And two World Wars haven't yet happened...They have over 1½ CENTURIES to catch up on!)
I have tried to explain this to you at least a half dozen times but you have your mind made up and refuse to recognize historical fact. Imagine if someone were to invade your house and put their foot on your throat and a gun to your head and tell you to sign your house away.  How is that different?
Someone HAS tried to invade my house. I requested him at gunpoint to hold still until the police came to pick him up...He kept saying something, but in a non-English language...I made out a few words, due to similarity with French, something about his kids...Perhaps he was only trying to rob me to feed his kids? And if so, doesn't that make him MORE of a threat, not less, since his morality is twisted to support a family he shouldn't've had in the first place? However, the police specifically told me NOT to execute the bastard! Since he's alive, he'll probably break into someone else's house...Or is that the point you're trying to make, that you're only safe as long as you have the technology and the WILL to defend yourself?

As to the majority of illegals being single males, that makes no difference to their third-world fertility.
Did you also not study biology?  Just how is it that single males have a high birth rate?
Being single doesn't prevent breeding!

The article goes on to say that the MEXICAN age of consent is 15, which they continue to obey here in America (3-6 years UNDER our age-of-consent law...Statutory rape, anyone?)
The age of consent in France is 12.  Are you presumptuous enough to make laws for other countries?
No; you're missing the point: This isn't France, nor Mexico, the age of consent in the United States of America is 18-21, depending which state you're in!
And there's some kind of POSITIVE social status for getting pregnant early and often, combined with no stigma for asking for "help" from America's welfare...But especially telling is the end quote:

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Tisha Roberts, a supervisor at an Orange County, California, institution that assists children in foster care, has given up hope that the illegitimacy rate will taper off. “It’s going to continue to grow,” she says, “until we can put birth control in the water.”

You two seem to have the same penchant for poisoning people against their will.
How do YOU treat an infection?

She might've been saying that sarcastically, but it SOUNDS like she had the idea to put birth-control in EVERYONE's water, not just the illegals'?
I don't know which your country is, nor do I know why you misspell America as amerika...You have to capitalize the A and it's a C, not K...Are you doing this for humor value?
I have explained it a few times but since you fail to comprehend what you read I will try once more.
America is the country I wore a uniform and took hostile fire to protect.  amerika are those who would make a mockery of that service.

Or is that the "undiscovered country" Shakespeare wrote of?
America "let" me in because I am the child of two American parents...I guess it comes as a surprise when Americans use the 14th Amendment, rather than illegals' spawn?
As to proving my citizenship, I don't know what proof you'll accept...
I will accept any form of ID that actually identifies you as an American citizen.  Your birth certificate does not do that.  Your dependents ID does not do that.  Your social security card does not do that.  Your drivers license does not do that.  So once again how do you prove that you are an American citizen.
Ok, I don't know of any ID that CONCLUSIVELY identifies either of us as American...Perhaps another byproduct of the founding fathers' assumptions? Or fear that the Federal Government might get too powerful?

"We the People of the United States" would be ENGLISH-speakers, given that the country was founded in large part by English,
Which history book denies that the Dutch,French,Spanish and German had no part in the settling of North America?
Because the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the rest of the Amendments were NOT written in Dutch, French, Spanish, or German...But I'm glad you brought that up...Mexico is/was a rebellious colony of Spain in almost the same way America is/was a rebellious colony of England

and even our founding documents are printed in English...And our National Anthem (BTW, the attempted Spanish translation of it that got everyone upset was REALLY terrible, even worse than the Babelfish translation!) For centuries,
Centuries as in all both of them?
That I'll give you. America's "only" 231 years old, but we've already got a country that's different enough (Can I say "better" without you getting upset?) from our uncouth neighbors that they WANT to come in, with or without permission. Indeed, one of the excuses the illegals use now is that there's a huge backlog, so they instead skip the queue and get mad 'cause they don't get the respect that those who waited in line get...Oh, and legals get upset because illegals give ALL immigration a bad name, but that's just collateral-damage, right?

English has been the de-facto language of the realm; tradition with the force of law
Tradition is not law.
True, but our LAWS are written in English...Could that be why illegals can't understand them?

and all that, right? Besides, specifying "English-speaking white males over the age of consent" would have broken up the prosaic flow of the Preamble...
As to confiscating land from people with divided loyalties, America's not the only one to have done that, and they've ex-post-facto discovered that SOME of the Japanese-Americans WERE sending messages to their brethren overseas
It would be interested in seeing your proof of this assertion.
...And I think I already covered at least ONE Meixcan-American whose loyalties were to the wrong side,
That would be your opinion and nothing more.
No, LA Times has record of their Mexican-American mayor joining the huge protesting horde of illegals and their supporters, rather than trying to restore Law&Order!

so doesn't it make sense that there'd be others? Say, perhaps a few big "advocacy" groups that teach new invaders how to bilk the system and dodge the annoying laws?
Why is it when corporate amerika bilks the system and dodge the annoying laws it is called sharp business sense but when some poor person does it you cry foul?
I never said it was ok, but let's punish the little lawbreakers first! The local cops call it the "Broken Windows" theory: Little criminals invite and/or incite big criminals!

Plus, it can't be any worse than Mexico confiscating American expatriates' bank-holdings during the Peso Crisis of 1994-1995 (Also called the December Mistake and/or the Tequila Effect--Look it up!)
Kinda like bush&co and the savings and loan debacle?
Not quite, Mexico did it to save their country, the S&L debacle was for private gain...

Speaking of American expatriates' properties being easily confiscatable, try http://www.libertypropertiesmexico.com/index.php?action=page_display&PageID=11 It's a real-estate company, so it is in their best interest to gloss over the idea that Americans "may" lose their land, but even they admit it's in trust, not actually owned...But any of the pages on http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=American+expatriates+property+held+in+trust+Mexico will tell you much the same thing...Including an article by Free Republic that lists a house WITH maid and gardener for $500/month! Some of the other expatriate sites have "warnings" and/or ads that you'll need security (bodyguards, not the cute electronic devices Americans use on OUR side of the border), because Mexico has a higher crime-rate, and they target Americans--Imagine that!
I have read your citations and found that they do not say what you purport that they say.
What they say is that land is held by American citizens in Mexico in much the same way it is held by American citizens in the U.S. with the exception of land within a certain distance from the boarders of Mexico...that land is held in a different manner but does not allow for confiscation without just compensation.
Americans going there aren't allowed to buy outright, and are CERTAINLY not allowed to hold beachfront property, for fear that we might do by economic domination what we didn't do militarily or politically, i.e., annex and upgrade Mexico...
That would be cheaper than the slow bleedout that illegals currently inflict, but Mexico might be upset about their "sovereignty", or some-such, right?
But they have no qualms about violating America's sovereignty!

So what parts have I not covered?
So far you have failed to answer a single one of my points...on the other hand you have used this response to litter the page with more of your bigoted vile verbiage.
What's vile about it? You keep confusing nationalism with bigotry...and/or who is NOT bigoted against criminals, especially foreign criminals?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
Why support thompsonx? His last few posts seem to confuse a desire to keep America from being overrun with "racism"--but he udderly
Aren't those tits?  You continue to carp about about those who cannot speak English but do not seem to hold yourself to the same standard.
ignored GoddessDustyGold's posts on the same topic...Namely, we don't hate Mexicans out-of-hand, just that they "happen" to be the majority of illegals...No room for all of them..."Why can't they learn English" is NOT a codeword for racism, it's simply their disrespect for America...etc.
All the same points I made, yet he had nothing to say about her posts...Of course, it WAS on the "multiculturalism is dangerous" thread...
Perhaps it is because she does not engage in the sort of vile bigoted verbiage that you do.
Perhaps it is because she does not want to drug and sterilize people against their will.
Perhaps it is because she does command the English language and has the ability to make herself understood without making up meanings for common words.
Perhaps it is because she does not want to mine the boarder or shoot any illegal alien on sight.
Perhaps it is because she does not seek to make a wall of bones of murdered human beings.
Perhaps you might put yourself under her tutelage and learn a little respect for your fellow human beings.
While she and me may not agree on specifics she is never rude,vile or acerbic