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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 11:24:46 AM   
EPGAH


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I apologize for bringing you into this, but I have been singled out, I believe unfairly, as "vile", "racist", etc., and he keeps bringing up that we somehow "stole" land from Mexico and the Indians...
But America PAID the enemies for their land and/or the "trouble we caused them" (Minus war expenses, obviously, if we have to fight an enemy country for some land, we're not going to give them as good a deal after as before)...And that aside, conquest has been valid for millennia, some records even indicate it happened before America was founded!
However, while it would be nice to cut off services from the illegals and/or make them gone somehow, your posts didn't say HOW that could be accomplished. My ideas are definitely controversial, but they are the most efficient ways of keeping enemies out of our country. If they think there's no punishment for invading, they'll keep doing it; if they think their first step onto our land might be their last, then suddenly, staying "home" doesn't seem so bad!
Not to mention, of course, how they can expect "respect" from a country whose laws/culture they hold in something between EXTREME disregard and/or utter contempt!

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 12:26:03 PM   
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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 12:43:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I have stated how I feel this could be best accomplished (control of the illegal situation, that is).  But without going back and reviewing My responses on this thread,  it could have been in another discussion that is also happening right now.
Immediate deportation of all illegal aliens.  As fast as they are caught they are on a bus.  Where I live they are caught and released every day, in fact, in direct opposition to a voter approved prop for a couple of years ago.  So we are pretty mad in My state.  We already made specific points about certain requirementrs, such as no bail for any illegal pending trial.  Yet they continue to be released on their own recognizance.  Kind of stupid if you ask Me.   One judge has been called on the carpet and told to recuse himself from all future cases involving illegals, since he can't be bothered to follow the law.  It is almost laughable that he is not being removed from the bench.  Instead he is being told he should recuse himself since he can't seem to get it through his head that allowing them bail is no longer acceptable.  The buses that do leave are not leaving often enough. 
This promise (I don't like to use the word threat when it should be a promise!) of immediate deportation causes it to become much more difficult to bilk the system for benefits without risking exposure and an immediate consequence. 
More importantly, employers must appropriately check all potential employees. If they hire, they face stiff fines (and I mean stiff) as well as possible jail time.  No quarter given. 
Remove the attraction of the USA as an illegal haven, and they will stop coming.   It is the most efficient way, I think, to end this ridiculous mess once and for all.  
In the end, every time you've got to get them where it hurts the most.  Right in the pocketbook.  No way to earn for the illegal, and no way to hire for the citizen employers.   The laws are already on the books!  All we have to do is enforce them. 

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 12:59:38 PM   
EPGAH


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Status: offline 		That's nothing, our State Troopers rounded up some illegals, marched them to the bus-station and told them to deport themselves! Couldn't even be bothered to fill out the forms! The bus-station called 8 hours later, they still hadn't bought a ticket, and were starting to scare actual (paying) passengers!
The laws have been on the books since 1986...
California even enacted a highly-controversial (and ironically named) Proposition 187 that would cut off public-funded welfare and education to illegals and the children of illegals. Governor Davis stabbed the Americans in the back when he repealed it, and Schwarzenegger doesn't have the muscle (pun intended) to put it back...Oklahoma has passed a similar law called 1804 which has that, AND makes it illegal to rent or sell housing to illegals! Nowhere to live; nowhere to run! And, of course, there's that idea of the fence that Congress actually passed, but "forgot" to assign funding for! However, as a thread a "long" time ago mentioned, they'll just dig under or climb over a fence...and they've already started with the tunneling!
One hilarious idea to solve illegals that's been making the rounds via Internet chain-letter is to offer each illegal the chance to join the Army. If they accept, give them each a canteen and a gun, and drop them off in Iraq...If they DON'T accept, drop them off in Iraq, sans the gun and the canteen! If they came back after 4-6 years, they'd know English and be good obedient citizens/team-players...And if they didn't, we'd still save gasoline by a few MILLION fewer (illegal/unlicensed) drivers! I think this idea has potential, since illegals clearly love to invade a country where they're not wanted, AND they love to fight, but the question is, which side would they fight FOR?
Your deportation idea is sound, but again, since we're deporting them back "home", they just rest and recharge for another attack! We had a guy in the paper last month who had been deported THIRTEEN TIMES! That's not unlucky, it's just stupid! There needs to be a harsher punishment for repeat INTERNATIONAL offenses!
And yes, for the record, I support punishing the employers too, preferably deport them alongside their illegal "friends", confiscate their monies, and let them see how Mexico treats moneyless invaders!

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 3:19:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is an example of the building frustration going on with this situation.
 
Know what happens if the illigals can't find work that day?  They steal.  They have to.  They don't speak english and they get hungry. 
 
When the government is powerless (or IS able to do something and does nothing).. the people will take things into their own hands.  This group makes a valid point.
 
I know, living in Arizona, it's about to explode like a powder keg.  We have had it !

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 3:51:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, and you can't prosecute foreign thieves that don't exist properly, because it's "racist", right?

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 3:56:44 PM   
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      I don't know their policy on day laborers congregating, but I was in one today, and the only ads we could find were in Spanish.  The cashier suggested we learn it. 


I would have reported her attitude.  If that didn't get results.. smile and say.."F*ck usted y el caballo que le tomaron aquí, PUTA."  It'll make her eyes light up. 



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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 5:19:33 PM   
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     I don't know their policy on day laborers congregating, but I was in one today, and the only ads we could find were in Spanish.  The cashier suggested we learn it. 


I would have reported her attitude.  If that didn't get results.. smile and say.."F*ck usted y el caballo que le tomaron aquí, PUTA."  It'll make her eyes light up. 



LotusSong:
Would your eyes light up if someone called you a whore?
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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 5:23:53 PM   
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Yes, and you can't prosecute foreign thieves that don't exist properly, because it's "racist", right?

EGPAH:
It is not racist to prosecute a thief.  The problem is that your lack of understanding of the English language seems to keep you from recognizing the difference between illegal entry into the country and theft.
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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 5:36:26 PM   
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Why support thompsonx? His last few posts seem to confuse a desire to keep America from being overrun with "racism"--but he udderly
Aren't those tits?  You continue to carp about about those who cannot speak English but do not seem to hold yourself to the same standard.
ignored GoddessDustyGold's posts on the same topic...Namely, we don't hate Mexicans out-of-hand, just that they "happen" to be the majority of illegals...No room for all of them..."Why can't they learn English" is NOT a codeword for racism, it's simply their disrespect for America...etc.
All the same points I made, yet he had nothing to say about her posts...Of course, it WAS on the "multiculturalism is dangerous" thread...
Perhaps it is because she does not engage in the sort of vile bigoted verbiage that you do.
Perhaps it is because she does not want to drug and sterilize people against their will.
Perhaps it is because she does command the English language and has the ability to make herself understood without making up meanings for common words.
Perhaps it is because she does not want to mine the boarder or shoot any illegal alien on sight.
Perhaps it is because she does not seek to make a wall of bones of murdered human beings.
Perhaps you might put yourself under her tutelage and learn a little respect for your fellow human beings.
While she and me may not agree on specifics she is never rude,vile or acerbic


Well, I sure will, but I want our BORDER to block illegal BOARDERS!
And actually, the udderly bit was done on purpose, something about TB=Tasty Breasts
As to mines, ideally, people would stop coming over our border if they thought their first unauthorized step would be their last...
As to wall of bones, part of that was tongue-in-cheek, but the other half is that Americans destroyed species that don't pose any threat (Please look up dodo and/or passenger-pigeon), but we won't deal similarly with those who DO pose a threat...Perhaps buoyed by First World-ness, some Americans want to negotiate and moralize with them, when all they're thinking is, "Invade...consume...breed" (Oversimplified for B-Movie dramatic effect)
Even GoddessDustyGold's post said that America doesn't have room for them all...And as I said before, we can improve their countries, if they'd only "let" us!
(See Iraq War, contractors getting shot, etc...Or a British teacher in Sudan getting punished because one of her students wants to name its child-surrogate teddy-bear "Mohammed", which I have to assume would be a super-common name over there, given their idolatry of the man...?)
What have I said that was rude, vile, and acerbic? I admit to having a very sarcastic wit, especially when pushed, and most of your posts seem to be arguments with me...I spend more time defending myself than my positions...

EGPAH:
When you stop being rude,vile and acerbic I will stop pointing it out to you.
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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 5:50:53 PM   
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Its that sadistic f***** bitch thing Thompson... teasin is gooooood, its fun, its what I dohehehhe
Kittensol.....sureeeeeeee....could be fun :)

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 6:22:11 PM   
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     I don't know their policy on day laborers congregating, but I was in one today, and the only ads we could find were in Spanish.  The cashier suggested we learn it. 


I would have reported her attitude.  If that didn't get results.. smile and say.."F*ck usted y el caballo que le tomaron aquí, PUTA."  It'll make her eyes light up. 





          She got a little, "vamanos. La migra," at the moment.  I'll be taking my complaint to a corporate office.  Since I paid with my Lowes card, they'll have no trouble identifying her for ease of firing, just in time for Christmas.

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/28/2007 8:10:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Illegal entry into our country is tresspassing at best...At worst, theft of jobs, welfare, food, medical-care, money siphoned OUT of our country INTO theirs, where it does noone any good (Since their countries seem to still be worth escaping illegally!), and our culture!
And worst of all, the arrogance to believe that they DESERVE it somehow!

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 5:54:06 AM   
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Illegal entry into our country is tresspassing at best...At worst, theft of jobs,
Perhaps you might explain how one steals a job that no one wants?


welfare,
I was not aware that a non citizen could draw welfare...how does one do that?

food,
How do you justify this allegation that they are stealing food?

medical-care,
If you pay taxes then you are entitled to the health care system.  The fact that their employers do not remit the taxes that are withheld from their pay makes your anger improperly directed.

money siphoned OUT of our country INTO theirs,
Just as you are entitled to the money you receive for your labor so also are they.


where it does noone any good
Is it your contention that feeding your family is not a good thing?

(Since their countries seem to still be worth escaping illegally!),
Your family escaped Europe and yet you constantly sing the praise of European culture.

and our culture!
You constantly castigate them for their lack of assimilation and now you claim that they are not only assimilating but actually stealing our culture.  How does one steal a culture.
Where DID! you go to school?

And worst of all, the arrogance to believe that they DESERVE it somehow!
Do you not believe that you  DESERVE life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
The only arrogance I see here is your own.

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 7:20:46 AM   
EPGAH


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Status: offline 		The only reason "noone" wants the job is that they don't pay enough...America survived for awhile without illegals, why can we not do so now?
They can draw welfare through their children...everyone is sympathetic to children, and the more they have, the more they draw...Please look up "Anchor Baby Syndrome"
I'm entitled to money because I'm American--I LIVE here...they are invaders!
They are not suppoesd to BE in America, let alone WORK here or any of the other benefits...
I did not say they were assimilating, but look around. There are signs posted in Spanish, but not other languages, people who've been here longer and more productive for America...Including the Asian cultures, the "model minority"--except that they are the "model minority" because their culture values obedience and education!
You're allowed to pursue happiness, but NOT at the expense of others, and you're not allowed to "pursue it" into another's property!

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 7:28:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I just watched the video (I admit: I am bored), and nearly choked to death with laughter when the midget with the sunglasses said: "Twenty five american men are killed by illegal aliens every day".

Was he referring to The War?! In which case... How on earth could the soldiers in question be killed by illegal aliens, since the occupation is taking place... in Iraq!

Lucylastic and Thompy, let's have a ball :-) .

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 7:31:06 AM   
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Yes, and you can't prosecute foreign thieves that don't exist properly, because it's "racist", right?


As I'm a foreigner, you're a foreigner to me, and therefore I suspect you de facto of thievery on a grand scale.

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 7:31:53 AM   
EPGAH


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Status: offline 		I think they meant car-accidents by illegals who aren't supposed to EXIST on our side of the border, much less DRIVE!
But as long as there are cars, there will be car-thieves, and cars don't check for drivers' licenses before they start up...
Or could have meant "collateral damage" in gangland drive-bys? Hard to tell what part(s) of America are "safe" and which are gang territory anymore...
Or do we go by the old chestnut that "You're only as safe as your will to defend yourself and your property"?

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 7:35:43 AM   
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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/29/2007 7:42:02 AM   
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Illegal entry into our country is tresspassing at best...At worst, theft of jobs, welfare, food, medical-care, money siphoned OUT of our country INTO theirs, where it does noone any good (Since their countries seem to still be worth escaping illegally!), and our culture!
And worst of all, the arrogance to believe that they DESERVE it somehow!


Illegal entry is not an indictable offence.It`s on the level of a traffic ticket or Disorderly Persons charge.Nothing criminal.

The implication that illegals are de`facto criminals ,is not true.

To say that they are already criminals just by being here,is just not so.

All the talk about disease,criminals,disease,criminals,disease ,disease,from you,... is creepy.

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