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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81
Lets think about how much interest women generally express towards mens needs and wants? (It's like hearing crickets.)

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Yet a man wanting some thing as simple as an orgasm seems to be selfish behavior but to compare this to what women demand out of men seems to be out of the question.

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ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Thank you MsC, I never understood why Dominant's that use a strap-on don't consider THAT sex!

I think some live in some sort of parallel universe.

Using a strap on and putting it in someone else's bottom is SEX folks.

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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81

There is far too much to read and reply to, I don't have the time and patience.

What a man wants (even if its his natural instinct), is WRONG, he is forbidden to ask for it and seen as a selfish person all because he expresses what he wants as a man. But a man must apply to what women want or else he is a fool. A woman is not a fool if she refuses to apply to what men want. This doesn't only apply to the BDSM scene but this applies also to the vanilla scene.

I am not saying that women should drop everything and spread their legs but if women think men are entitled to nothing, why do women always think they have entitlements? Entitlement mentality seems to be something women are only allowed to have.

I find it hard to believe that most women out there actually care about what men want, BUT men are the same. The problem is that its socially acceptable for a woman to not give a flying fuck to what men want but a man is always put down when he thinks the same about women.

Think about what I said a few times.

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ORIGINAL: Boondoggle

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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81

There is far too much to read and reply to, I don't have the time and patience.

What a man wants (even if its his natural instinct), is WRONG, he is forbidden to ask for it and seen as a selfish person all because he expresses what he wants as a man. But a man must apply to what women want or else he is a fool. A woman is not a fool if she refuses to apply to what men want. This doesn't only apply to the BDSM scene but this applies also to the vanilla scene.

I am not saying that women should drop everything and spread their legs but if women think men are entitled to nothing, why do women always think they have entitlements? Entitlement mentality seems to be something women are only allowed to have.

I find it hard to believe that most women out there actually care about what men want, BUT men are the same. The problem is that its socially acceptable for a woman to not give a flying fuck to what men want but a man is always put down when he thinks the same about women.

Think about what I said a few times.

[Crazy liberal rant]

What world do you (think) you live in? In the world in which I, and presumably most others, live, women have been oppressed at the hands of men for thousands of years and continue to be despite vast improvements in their 'granted' status. I'd like to experience this magical fantasy world where women run everything; I think it might be in better shape than this one. You see, in this world, men have been in power for ages and do everything they can to make sure they are the ones who stay in power. Interestingly, men have long understood that women held the power in sex, and so have spent many years demonizing it. This is why prostitution is illegal. This is why the Church condemns any sex that isn't using a woman's body strictly for procreation. This fear of sexual power is what has lead to both female and male ritual genital mutilation (circumcision). It's also the reason for the glaring societal double-standard for promiscuity (promiscuous women are sluts, promiscuous men are 'conquerers'). When men with power over women abuse this power and take advantage of women sexually, their ultimate motivation, whether they recognize it, much less admit it, or not, is to take that sexual power from women because they fear it.

Then there's rape and abuse. I'm not saying women never perpetuate these crimes, because they do, but I think it's fairly safe to say that in the vast, overwhelming majority of cases, the men are the aggressors. Somehow, I doubt the victims felt any sense of entitlement. Whereas the perpetrators are clearly asserting (or attempting to, however temporarily) their power over the victim. When one person engages in this sort of non-consensual power exchange over another, if there is one party with the sense of entitlement, it's the rapist or abuser.

If anyone needs to think about what you said and evaluate underlying prejudices, it's you.

[/Crazy liberal rant]

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ORIGINAL: Boondoggle

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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81

There is far too much to read and reply to, I don't have the time and patience.

What a man wants (even if its his natural instinct), is WRONG, he is forbidden to ask for it and seen as a selfish person all because he expresses what he wants as a man. But a man must apply to what women want or else he is a fool. A woman is not a fool if she refuses to apply to what men want. This doesn't only apply to the BDSM scene but this applies also to the vanilla scene.

I am not saying that women should drop everything and spread their legs but if women think men are entitled to nothing, why do women always think they have entitlements? Entitlement mentality seems to be something women are only allowed to have.

I find it hard to believe that most women out there actually care about what men want, BUT men are the same. The problem is that its socially acceptable for a woman to not give a flying fuck to what men want but a man is always put down when he thinks the same about women.

Think about what I said a few times.

[Crazy liberal rant]

What world do you (think) you live in? In the world in which I, and presumably most others, live, women have been oppressed at the hands of men for thousands of years and continue to be despite vast improvements in their 'granted' status. I'd like to experience this magical fantasy world where women run everything; I think it might be in better shape than this one. You see, in this world, men have been in power for ages and do everything they can to make sure they are the ones who stay in power. Interestingly, men have long understood that women held the power in sex, and so have spent many years demonizing it. This is why prostitution is illegal. This is why the Church condemns any sex that isn't using a woman's body strictly for procreation. This fear of sexual power is what has lead to both female and male ritual genital mutilation (circumcision). It's also the reason for the glaring societal double-standard for promiscuity (promiscuous women are sluts, promiscuous men are 'conquerers'). When men with power over women abuse this power and take advantage of women sexually, their ultimate motivation, whether they recognize it, much less admit it, or not, is to take that sexual power from women because they fear it.

Then there's rape and abuse. I'm not saying women never perpetuate these crimes, because they do, but I think it's fairly safe to say that in the vast, overwhelming majority of cases, the men are the aggressors. Somehow, I doubt the victims felt any sense of entitlement. Whereas the perpetrators are clearly asserting (or attempting to, however temporarily) their power over the victim. When one person engages in this sort of non-consensual power exchange over another, if there is one party with the sense of entitlement, it's the rapist or abuser.

If anyone needs to think about what you said and evaluate underlying prejudices, it's you.

[/Crazy liberal rant]

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ORIGINAL: Shawn1066

Player or dog doesn't have NEAR the negative connotations that slut does, IMO.

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ORIGINAL: Smith117

I think the one point I'd disagree with on this post is the conquerer title for promiscuous men. That may have one day been the case, but lately it seems that a guy who's promiscuous usually is called a player or a dog. And women, even his own friends, if they're mature enough, don't even consider him worthy of an actual relationship. Why do you think one guy would get pissed that his friend was dating his sister? Because guys know how guys are.

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ORIGINAL: DianeB269

I hope you're not talking about me. You do not know anything about me...
I DO NOT make any of my subs pay or buy anything for me.They offer and I say no.
The only things I will make a sub pay for is the toys (strapons) I will using on them.

Diane

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ORIGINAL: dogboydoggie

I BOW AT YOUR FEET .  I BOW AT YOUR FEET. I BOW AT YOUR FEET

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ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Thank you MsC, I never understood why Dominant's that use a strap-on don't consider THAT sex!

I think some live in some sort of parallel universe.

Using a strap on and putting it in someone else's bottom is SEX folks.

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Are you kidding?  All of the women I talk to who are in relationships love doing things for their men that make them happy.

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not until he's succeeded in establishing that degree of closeness and making me feel secure about his degree of caring for me.  A man may percieve this comfort zone as the woman demanding that he jump through hoops before she will give him an orgasm.  A woman may perceive it as making sure that she does not open herself to being emotionally and sexually vulnerable to a man who does not care for her and who will use her selfishly for his own sex needs and discard her, leaving her feeling used and hurt

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It's nice to get presents and that can be a convincing testament of a man's interest and commitment

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What world do you (think) you live in?

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and continue to be despite vast improvements in their 'granted' status.

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I'd like to experience this magical fantasy world where women run everything

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You see, in this world, men have been in power for ages and do everything they can to make sure they are the ones who stay in power

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men have long understood that women held the power in sex, and so have spent many years demonizing it. This is why prostitution is illegal. This is why the Church condemns any sex that isn't using a woman's body strictly for procreation

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It's also the reason for the glaring societal double-standard for promiscuity (promiscuous women are sluts, promiscuous men are'conquerers').

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their ultimate motivation, whether they recognize it, much less admit it, or not, is to take that sexual power from women because they fear it.

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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81
Many women IN relationships (especially in the vanilla world) are willing to do things for their men but when it comes to this scene or this site, many women don’t appear that way.

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This goes back to my old complaint. It’s perfectly 100 percent acceptable for a woman to perceive men as guilty until proven innocent. Just because he is a male and likes sex, he needs to prove himself that he is not going to take advantage of the woman.

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Not only some women think this way, I think most do and yet, a man being bitter for being rejected (which is a lower level of bitterness and a more validated reason to be bitter) is totally forbidden from women.

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Yes, but the problem is that women always seem to think that the man owes her some thing if she is going to give him sex when sex is an equal employer. The woman enjoys sex just as much as the man. If a woman thinks she holds superiority over men with sex and thinks in the ways that a man has to owe her things like chivalry, she is a chauvinist.