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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 8:19:45 AM   
SimplyMichael


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I'm not interested in someone who has gained simply experience and learnt a skill purely via practise.  I want to be involved with people who also have natural ability which is personal to them.  I want to feel the energy from within, not simply something that's been learned or practised to make a person skillfull - if that makes any sense.


We are thinking along the same lines I just somehow can't get through to you.  I never meant for the entire extent of the exchange to be "I have skill"...

But in discussing WHAT you do vs. how long you have done it offers that richer picture.  Of course seeing someone do something, feeling how they do it is the real test but we, or at least I am talking about how to talk about it on a forum such as this one. 

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 9:18:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Michael,
Isn't it subjective though? Meaning I could watch what you do, say caning, and think that you have great skill and obvious experience, BUT then the dark comes over and is standing next to Me and say "This guy has no clue what He is doing". So the skill and the experience are both called into question. Two sets of eyes see to different things. I think that it is a very personal choice as to who is skilled, experience, whatever. I think it boils down to what works for you and what you like. Does that make sense?
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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 9:25:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Velvet, it seems to me, that you are thinking about.."perception". As I see this thread it is more about clearer....lable...for lack of a better word. I personally would rather be  thought of as skilled rather than experienced in any endeavor.

Jeff

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 9:26:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		You still have to prove what you can do and what you say Skilled or not. It all leads to being who you say you are YEP

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 9:34:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do get what you are saying Michael - but in terms of the forum - It's great you are going to use the word 'skill' over experience - but it will still come down to explaining and communicating so that people understand what you mean by 'skill'.  What it still comes down to semantics in the end and neither word works for me and it won't work for everyone, is all I am suggesting.
 
In other words (no pun intended) - use what you want but don't expect that everyone will get it and that using one single word doesn't make communication any better.  Words work the best when they are used in conjunction with others - like life.
 
As a footnote....I will also add - although I may come across as not 'getting it' or even argumentative - it might assist you to know/remember (because I know some people do know) that I have synaesthesia. This is something that people don't always know much about, or even consider when using words on a forum like this.
 
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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 9:50:21 AM   
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I think that may be part of it but as beauty is in the eye of the beholder I think skill is too, to a degree. I agree with what you are saying I just saw a different side to the topic.
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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 10:11:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Velvet, it seems to me, that you are thinking about.."perception". As I see this thread it is more about clearer....lable...for lack of a better word. I personally would rather be  thought of as skilled rather than experienced in any endeavor.

Jeff


I don't know Jefff - I see using one single word and negating another?  I don't believe it's good to restrict oneself to saying you will only use one particular word when you cannot see what is to come. Use one label over another and you do negate those who don't use that word... narrowing your target audience and those that you may be able to assist.
 
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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 12:29:11 PM   
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you taking LA's thunder?

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 12:35:00 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		Ok....I  see your point. This is not something I would go to war over...:). It has been an interesting thread though.

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 5:00:13 PM   
ocilla


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Status: offline 		There is a well regarded dom in the Atlanta Community who has served in leadership roles for some 20 years or so - Lord Cuff - I am sure he has a profile here too.  But one of his common tags always makes me chuckle due to the honest dose of self deprication it states. This is a paraphrase not exact so my apologies but the jist of it goes something like so:

20 years of experience can just make a young jackass into an old jackass.

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 5:09:11 PM   
Grlwithboy


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Status: offline 		I'm not one to just ditch on the value of time applied to an endeavor just because there are hacks out there who will never "get it" -whatever the medium. I still think experience is valuable for a lot of reasons. I actually think BAD experience and not repeating it is valuable. And sometimes people hop onto the scene with great skill and then just coast along and repeat their flashy whatever for a few decades (yawn)  you know?


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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 8:08:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

It just hit me why it works so much better for me:

Experienced is a quantitative word, meaning I have 10 years of bad experience randomly beating someone with a cane.

vs.

Skill is a qualitative word, meaning I can put 10 perfectly spaced stripes on a submissives ass with cane.


I agree with this

However, being skilled at putting 10 perfectly spaced stripes on person X can be a very different experience than doing the same thing on person Y.  Experience as taught me things that have improve my skills.  Just as my skills have given me opportunities to have experiences.   I see Experience and Skill as having a relationship to each other.  I don't see them as in competition to each other.  They each bring value to the table.  What the value is can be rather subjective to our own personal views.

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/5/2007 8:40:27 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: ocilla

20 years of experience can just make a young jackass into an old jackass.



Please do not take the following commentary as being judgemental of any particular person, as such is not my intent.  I dont really care how people get themselves off.

But...

I was once introduced to a well-regarded lifestyle Master and his slave in a specific community, and no I am not naming any names.

I watched him play with several, and was profoundly impressed by his skill with the tools of the trade.  If I were one to bottom, I would probably enjoy the hell out of and feel completely safe bottoming to him.  Then I got to watch him interact with his slave and was rather shocked at how, for lack of a better term, emotionally whipped he was by her.

Hey, if it works for them, I have no issue with that, but dont walk over to me and pontificate about how weal, twue owd gawd and mastewfuw one is, and then turn around and let one's "slave" hook up the leash to one's nose ring.

Except when they were scening, she ran the entire show.  If they were telling everybody they were in to diaper play, I
know where I would look first to see who needed their diaper changed.

Another time I got to watch his slave play with another.  She was argumentative, disrespectful, spoiled, contrary, both to others and to her Master.  It was almost unpleasant, in a way the two I posted about many months ago who invited me to flog the bottom were not.

I dont care how many years a person has been involved in the lifestyle.  I dont care how many people wax orgasmic at the knowledge that One might grace one with their presence.  I dont care how many play parties one has given.  Dominance and submission are intrinsic to a person's nature, not what one does, and not what other people think.  Experienced vs skilled has about as much meaning as submissive vs. slave or Master vs. Dominant or Democrat vs. Republican.

This is why I am always so amused by people who are legends in their own mind.

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/7/2007 4:18:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		All I can say is AMEN.  Skill is innate and has nothing to do with experience when you look at it honestly.

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RE: Experienced vs. Skilled - 12/7/2007 4:23:07 AM   
blackcromancer


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Status: offline 		I think you are completely confusing the meaning of these words.
The experienced may be skilled, or the may be lazy, repeating the same tired patterns.
Skill is *LEARNED* by its very nature, by observation, reading and experimentation one acquires skill in the arts.
Experience is part of that package, but an eager bright dom will be skilled faster and with less experience.
Skill is never, never, never innate.
Power, personality, this is innate, but thats not skill. Skill you do with your hands the rest you do with your mind.

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