OrionTheWolf
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
I'm excising my opinion; they're exercising organised violence against a nation that has never been anywhere near the United States, and they're oppressing a foreign people through occupation and imposing their will. In my mind, that is not exercising a liberty. I've read a few of your posts regarding Nietzsche, Orion, and you appear to hold him in high esteem: I doubt he'd view supressing self-dermination as akin to exercising a liberty.
Not high regard, just a philosopher that has a few similar ideas to myself. You see our problem is that you are speaking specific, and I am speaking in general. My statements stands for how a military should be organized, and I can back it up with quotes from some of the greatest military minds in history.
The soldiers are doing as ordered, as they should. Unless an order is in direct violation of the military code of justice, they are to obey orders. The responsibility for the military's action lies in the joint chiefs, and the President. The accountability lies with the people. Notice I use responsibility, and accountability seperately, to show that the people are accountable for the actions of their servants. The People need to hold those servants accountable. Too bad many see politics as a game, and the different political parties as two teams, as that keeps us from holding our servants accountable.
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From personal experience, my liberty is not under threat. No one is protecting me, but I've had the good fortune to be born in a country where, by and large, we're left to our own devices; moreover, we don't value group conformity, e.g. flag, national anthem, fatherland, in the same way some other nations do. Plus, we have nothing more to offer an invading force than tea and chips; ask the Germans, they got as far as the French coast, looked across the English Channel, and settled on a spot of sun bathing instead: Goering was interested because he'd heard that cross dressing is de rigeur in England, but that's your lot.
Complacency and apathy, are often the greatest threats to our liberties, so they are always being threatened. Your own country has it's own history of actions that in retrospect, could be called into question. I see this as part of the learning process of nations, and the people that live within them. Too bad many need to make the same mistakes over and over, to learn the lesson that is trying to be taught.
We will digress on why the Germans stopped, and then kept an aerial campaign going against the british, since it is not truly applicable to the OP. If you want to start that thread, I would be happy to post excerpts of my essays on that, and pull a few things from military experts that have analyzed the war.
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In a military function? Absolutely. Militaries cannot operate by committee. Combat is too fluid for that. The Generals can make whatever plans they wish, but once battle is engaged, quick decisions by those ranking members in combat is what will determine what happens.
I've no issue to take with that, but the context of the chat with Seeks is a government/committee decision and civilians volunteering, rather than military engagement.
I will reread the discussion, but that is not what it seemed to me. I will also say that there are certain functions of government that would become too bogged down if run by committee. Singular decision making, with committee oversite, is often the best.
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