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NihilusZero -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (10/19/2008 10:23:02 AM)

Will try and make this a skimmed down version to address points in the OP as they appear to me. YMMV.

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Without explicit permission, a slave could never say, for example:  "I have a terrible headache, could we stop now and do this later?"

Wrong.While second half of the question is jumping to provide an option before the Master has addressed it (a minor thing, IMO), it is put in the form of a request. A rather polite request at that.

More importantly, however, the first half is absolutely what a slave should say. As a Master, I'm not a telepath. My job is to take the reins and do things as I wish with all the information concerning my slave at my disposal (how else do I make adequate decisions?). An unknown physical status change in my slave is something I would require to be made aware of as it is a new factor I need to factor into my decisions at the time. This 'article' does not seem to properly address that here.

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Yes, it is possible you may get a loving, caring, kind, considerate, sexy, extremely intelligent, and wealthy Owner - one who wants to cherish you and treat you like a romantic (but kinky) lover. But, if that is what you expect, you would be much, much better off finding a more 'mainstream' D/s lifestyle Dominant (a "Dom" or a "Domme") that likes to think of them self as a 'real' Consensual slavery Owner (but, in reality, only 'plays' one in the bedroom); we would strongly suggest that you not become a real slave for a real Owner.

This portion is profoundly stupid. It's equating (across the board) sadism with mastery. The degree of the power exchange has nothing to do with the flavor of the kink (including interest of pain-infliction by the Master).

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It's not just about humiliation, and it's not just about fear, it's not about sex or leather or romance, it is about giving up control - 100% control - over your life to someone else permanently.

That's funny...just above they were equating it with the "sex or leather or romance".

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And a slave does not get to keep one dime of what they earn; a slave does not own anything. While something may (legally) exist in a slave's name, the bottom line is that: a slave's Owner owns everything even remotely attached to a slave.

*sigh*

the only thing that should be said here is that the Master "owns" the right to make each of these assessments for himself. Or perhaps I'll have the M/s police come over and strip me of my Master badge if I permit my slave to own something?

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A slave relinquishes everything, in every way, to their Owner.

Ever get the feeling that someone built an entire essay on a topic with onsensical fluff when all that's needed is one strong concise sentence to summate it?

This is it.

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Once a contractual slave: you are complete and total property, and there's no way to change that after the contract has been finalized. So, if you think you might change your mind later on down the road - why don't you try being a submissive instead.

Depite the tone of this part (and probably against popular thought) I agree with this. Part of the job of the slave, upon agreeing to the contractual agreement, is to surrender also her ability to leave the relationship into the hands of the Master. It's part of her job to decide to surrender to someone who is trustworthy not just in his interactions within the relationship, but to soomeone honorable enough to be able to go so far as to make the decision to release the slave if it appears to him the best interest of the relationship (and the slave) is better served by it.

To enter into a M/s relationship trying to preserve that last "out" is not an issue of 'freedom' to me...but an issue indicative of the last veil of potential mistrust and apprehension.

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*If any of the following apply to you, you are just not yet ready for a life of real slavery:
  • I have set my own "limits", like any "normal" person should and they must be respected!
This is perfectly permissible before the relationship begins. The concept of "limits", I do agree, does not seem to jive along with slavery (rather than submission) but there is a difference between wanting preferential limits ("I don't like anal!") and actual physical/mental limits ("Leg surgeries I've had can make kneeling excruciatingly painful and could cause further irreperable damage").
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I don't want my hard earned career experience/education to just go to waste; I need an Owner who will allow me to keep my career/get a career in my chosen profession/let me stay in school.


Fair enough.
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I have dependants (children, relatives, et cetera) that I cannot abandon.


Hmm. Tough point. I'd have to think about that,

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I don't want to give up any of my friends or risk losing contact with my family.


Think I agree here.

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I have a "vanilla" interest (or two, or more) that I simply will not give up.

I would never allow my Owner to share me with someone else.

I would never be willing to share my Owner with anyone else, after all - they know I am the jealous type; I would insist on being my Owner's only slave!

It's not like it's 'real' slavery anyway, you know: it's more like 'role-playing'; isn't it?


Agree with the above.

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I am [insert: race/creed/gender/sexual preference here] and I am only interested in an Owner who is [insert: race/creed/gender/sexual preference here].
I am an "age-play slave"/"gang-bang slave" and I am only interested in Owners who are couples/groups.
I am an "[insert: animal] slave" and I am only interested in Owners who have farms/barns.
I am a "non-BDSM slave" and I do not want any Owners who practice/enjoy any type or variety of BDSM.


These don't make sense. They have no bearing on the ability of a person to be a slave as they only affect pre-contractual stipulations.

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I have rights, you know, just like everyone else; and I would never give any of my rights up!


Think I agree here too.


Um...yeah. I think that's it. It suddenly occurs to me I have no thought-out ending for this post.

Oh well.




tazzygirl -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (10/19/2008 4:20:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

i often marvel as how some people equate slave with terms such as doormat, stupid or robotic.

"Stupid" especially.

Everything I keep thinking of to type sounds like it will go on into a rant. I think I'll go back to the OP and point out the parts that make sense instead. *nod*



i, for one, am curious about what your "rant" would be




DesFIP -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (10/21/2008 8:26:02 PM)

Firstly, like everyone else addressed - plagiarism is not ever acceptable. It is theft, plain and simple.

Secondly, the article is nonsense. It doesn't address the fact that no such contract is or can be valid and binding.

And most of all, it assumes that anyone who wants to be an owner is a lying bastard who will sign a contract promising to take care of the slave's needs and immediately set out to break him/her, have them infected with stds, steal their money so they can't pay their rent, feed their kids etc, etc, etc. It also assumes all slaves live with their owners which is untrue.




Pixiespark -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (10/27/2008 5:43:50 AM)

i was always taught that though i may be an owned slut to My Master i do have rights as a human being to demand my time alone, or my time apart from Him or any basic needs. and i can and will walk away if those needs are or will not be met.

that article is shit for sure, nobody but yourself can determine if your ready for slavery or submissiveness. and if they truly cared about your well being and needs, then they would be patient as you learned and helped you grow.




BabieGothika -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (5/19/2010 5:01:36 PM)

In BSDM when u are a slave is consensual, of course, but nobody give up everything , u have to live your daily life in the vanilla world and work and see your family and if u have children, take care of them, ect.
    In my case, My Master and i we have been together for almost 7 years and since the begginning, He was learning my limits, my feelings, my weakness, everything about me and i have learned everything about Him.
  In this country slavery is illegal, so, you can walk away of the relationship anyday u want.
  That is so stupid to sign a contract, a contract than is illegal, make no sense.That is only a fantasy and i live BDSM 24/7 and trust me, when u live this for real, u are not wasting time in that[;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]




LadyPact -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (5/19/2010 5:22:21 PM)

So, you're saying that you save your time wasting skills for replying to threads that are over a year old?




VideoAdminZeta -> RE: How Do I Become a Slave? (5/19/2010 5:36:18 PM)

Good point.  I'm locking the thread for a while.

BabieGothika, we encourage members to participate in conversations that are less than six months old.




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