RE: Iams animal testing

i have had deer meat -- never again. How completely gross i thought it was. i know hunters serve a purpose in keeping down the deer herds, but i'd never accept such behavior from a Man i considered as my Dom or Master. i find it incredibily cruel.

Minks, on the other hand, would probably die out if they were not tended to by their farmers. Release a farmer's stock of domesticated minks and they' probably be lucky to live a week. It is pretty obvious there is a much larger mink population because they are farmed than would exist if they were just part of nature's food chain.

In Florida, they farm catfish; once again, increasing the population of catfish far above what would otherwise occur in nature. i personally do not see why a farmed animal must be eaten before some people will accept that its death was accepable.

As i said on another post, animal cruelty seems evil to me and i think much stiffer sentences should be handed down than we currrently use. When i lived in Cincinnati, dog fighting was a big sport. Cock fighting is big in Miami. The people involved have no fear of being caught because --- apart from losing their animals -- they face nothing more than a small fine.

Erin, we may disagree on "the ethical treatment of animals" but i assure you i am in complete agreement with thse who oppose animal cruelty.

Never fear, though, i cannot afford a refurbished mink coat. i just thought the idea was excellent and if i win the lottery, i shall buy a refurbished, not new, mink coat.

pinkpleasures

I would be interested on how many people here would like to be experimented on themself, or have considered being part of medical experiments..

I would be interested in those people who would be interested in using animal organs in transplants.

And stem cells.

How about designer babies?

Or even worse - donor babies?

Lets try remembering all those animals near or extinct because of fur trade.

And the trade of exotic pets from the wild.

And lets remember that mink tend to wipe out other native species when released into the wild.

And the realisation that testing medically on animals has now been pretty much determined to be irrelevant to further research.

How about genetic clones?

I am pretty shocked at the lack of understanding of certain proceedures. But as Em said - most people prefere to block their senses -

I am fortuante - I live in the country and I can purchase my meat and veg from sources I know. Yes, I eat meat - would I eat processed meats? No. 'Lazy crops?' Nope.

How about chocolate?

Coffee?

Lets have a think about the effect on rubber and PVC.

Ah - and the ivory trade - yes...

And as for second hand fur - wow - odious

I am not speaking specifically of an already dead fetus. I am suggesting a fetus grown specifically for medical experiments.

I personally would not use anything harvested from a fetus or human if it was taken without their consent.

It is true about genetic inheritance. But genetic testing is just that - testing - I would still not support the disection of an animal purely for genetic testing as it isn't necessary.

Against your consent? Sorry I wasn't clear.

I don't even buy products from gap second hand.
What has suffered, already suffered. What and who have died, already dead.
The blood is already there and stained. Thinking that because its a second, relinquishes one from the pain in the past is irrelavant. Beside, tax is still being earned in most cases for your governement, which is again a tax on what has been murdered or lost(be it workshops and slave labour).

There are many alternatives to fake fur, and ok - so it might not be exactly the same and if you can live with the fact that something has been killed - no matter how humanely - then thats your choice. And its my choice not to be impressed by it or feel any kind of respect towards a person for doing such an act.

Really meaning no offense to you perverse - I think you are great - and your posts are fantastic - but using fur IMO is just wrong.

Peace and Love