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cyberdude611 -> Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 6:11:59 PM)

In 1992, Huckabee wrote, "If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague."
"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."

He also wrote in 1992:
"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids



farglebargle -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 6:15:14 PM)

Yeah... That's the problem with the Normal Distribution.

Fully 50% of the people out there are below average...




bipolarber -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 6:55:41 PM)

Nothing new in Republican circles: Reagans first "solution" to the AIDS crisis was to look into the feasability of creating gay "concentration camps." Luckily, cooler heads won out.

The sooner everyone realizes that the GOP is evil, and close to being fascist nazi zombies, the better off the US will be.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 7:45:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

In 1992, Huckabee wrote, "If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague."
"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I agree with Huckabee that people with AIDS and anyone who is HIV positive should be isolated. I also agree it's being treated as a civil rights issue rather than a health crisis. People with leprocy lived together in colonies, so why not those with HIV and AIDS?

He also wrote in 1992:
"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."

Here he shows his right wing conservative stupidity. Ryan White was one of the first highly publicized AIDS cases and he caught the virus from a blood transfusion. I thought Huckabee had some intelligence until I read that part.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids



mnottertail -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:16:37 PM)

uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhlook...........just leprosy, K?  as is the dawning enightnment of the rest of it.



TheHeretic -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:34:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

The sooner everyone realizes that the GOP is evil, and close to being fascist nazi zombies, the better off the US will be.



          Yup.  Conservatives baaa-aaaad.  How do you feel about getting beaten by us the last two elections because this attitude (and the perception that you're a bunch of entitlement mentality, clueless punks who cannot be trusted with national security) alienates swing voters?



Muttling -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:36:08 PM)

People with tuberculosis aren't restricted and it's a disease that is airborne.  Thus, I find it intriguing that none of these individuals want to protect us from a disease that we can litterally get by riding the elevator with an infected individual, but they're after a blood borne pathogen with a very short half life outside the body.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:45:08 PM)

I think people with TB are isolated until no longer contagious. They have to take a bunch of meds for like a year to cure it. But there is a cure for TB. There's no cure for HIV/ AIDS.



TheHeretic -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:47:01 PM)

       Tuberculosis wasn't even an issue in the US in 1992.  The illegal immigrants brought it back in since then.  And yes, we should quarantine them (the TB infected) or ship their asses back where they came from.



dcnovice -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:49:18 PM)

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I agree with Huckabee that people with AIDS and anyone who is HIV positive should be isolated.


Why stop with HIV? Why not isolate folks with any STD?



DomMeinCT -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:56:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I think people with TB are isolated until no longer contagious. They have to take a bunch of meds for like a year to cure it. But there is a cure for TB. There's no cure for HIV/ AIDS.


Now that multi-drug therapies are used, leper colonies are no longer commonly used (and definitely not in the U.S.)

According to the CDC, there are between 800,000 and 900,000 people living with HIV in the U.S.(http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/reports/index.htm)  Where would you propose we put them all?

And what about people with other diseases, like Hepatitis C?



TheHeretic -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 8:56:58 PM)

        Because (and let's keep in mind, Huckabee's comment was from '92) HIV/AIDS was incurable, untreatable, and fatal.  We've made a bit of progress since then.

(BTW, no way I'll vote for Huckabee)

      



luckydog1 -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 9:00:24 PM)

DC, because the others can either be cured or are not fatal.

It does seem to me that hundreds of thousands (if not more) gay people have died because the small number of carriers were not quarintined in the mid 80s. 



DomMeinCT -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 9:00:34 PM)

One has to wonder if Huckabee has made progress since then.  lol



beargonewild -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 9:48:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I think people with TB are isolated until no longer contagious. They have to take a bunch of meds for like a year to cure it. But there is a cure for TB. There's no cure for HIV/ AIDS.


If that's the case then let me ask these questions:

1) Who is going to finance these so called quarantined colonies?
2) are people who get infected by tainted blood among the outcasts?
3) who decides who is segregated and who isn't?
4) who will be the first to cast the first stone and determine who is actually infected and who isn't?
5) is this going to just apply to HIV infected people or to people with AIDS also?
6) will you be willing to banish a loved one if they are infected through tainted blood and not through unsafe sexual activity?
7) will this segregation begin to apply to other races, other sexual orientations, etc?


If you can answer these question perfectly then I will personally bow down at your feet and call you GOD. Until then, please keep yourself educated and maybe there will be more tolerance and a hell of a lot less prejudice in this world.


With the latest developments in drug therapy, HIV infected people and people with AIDS are able to live  a healthy life for 10, 15 20, 25 years before their immune system breaks down.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/unaids_who/en/index.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9244




FangsNfeet -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 9:59:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

In 1992, Huckabee wrote, "If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids


Call the idea unethical, unfair, inhumane, dispicable, and obsurd. However, Isolation untill dead or cured would kill off 99.9% of the HIV virus and keep it from spreading. As long as we allow the virus to live in people who can do whatever they feel like doing, it has a better chance to continue to evolve and potentialy go airborn.

I'm not saying Isolation is the right way. I'm only pointing out that it's one of the most effective ways in keeping HIV from spreading. Sometimes, it's tough when deciding to do things the ethical way or a way that's going to get the job done.

Though I'm not a big supporter of the homophobe, I can see the logic in isolation and commend him for having the balls to suggest it.

I know that most of us can't stomach the idea. With ethics invovled, it's hard going back and forth between what's right and what has to be done.



 



beargonewild -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 10:03:48 PM)

Yet if the virus was ever to mutate into an airborne  threat, it would have done so already. Homophobia has nothing to do with this as this virus has no boundaries, is color blind, do not discriminate between gender or sexual preferences.



TheHeretic -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 10:08:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

1) Who is going to finance these so called quarantined colonies?
Local, state and federal health agencies.  Tax dollars.
2) are people who get infected by tainted blood among the outcasts?
Of course. (Though I'd be curious to see a documented case of that in the US this century)
3) who decides who is segregated and who isn't?
The test for the disease
4) who will be the first to cast the first stone and determine who is actually infected and who isn't?
Redundant and snarky question.
5) is this going to just apply to HIV infected people or to people with AIDS also?
Anyone who could spread the disease
6) will you be willing to banish a loved one if they are infected through tainted blood and not through unsafe sexual activity?
Yes.  How the disease is contracted is irrelevant
7) will this segregation begin to apply to other races, other sexual orientations, etc?
Huh? 

If you can answer these question perfectly then I will personally bow down at your feet and call you GOD.




       Thank God this has become a treatable condition, making these answers moot, but I like the idea of being called GOD.  You may begin. 



beargonewild -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 10:14:21 PM)

How can I call you GOD when one of the questions was answered by a question?  Don't think that counts....yet.



luckydog1 -> RE: Huckabee wanted to isolate HIV patients (12/8/2007 10:17:06 PM)

"Yet if the virus was ever to mutate into an airborne  threat, it would have done so already."

That is patently absurd.  Every single time a virus replicates it has the chance of mutation.  The idea that it would have had to happen already is plain nuts and very ignorant.

I wouldn't vote for Huckabee anyway.  But I do wish they had tested and quarintined people in the mid 80s, it would have saved hundreds of thousands (if not more) of lives.



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