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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cl, I think you nailed it.
She was using God to rationalise what she did.
That's ok I guess if it works for her.
If it were me that did it I'd be thanking my time at the gun range for being a good shot and condemning that sick fuck for killing 4 innocent people.
This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around!

This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around!


Nope,not just any armed citizen,after all,the perp was an armed citizen,wasn`t he?

I think the preacher had it correct and spot on,when he said(more than once)that it should be a trained,and SCREENED security person or persons that are armed and doing that work.Not the average "pistol-pack`n Popeye" on the street.Though I`m sure Popeye would have done the same thing the lady did.

The NRA dildos, want a free-for-all of guns, for every kook and his kookier brother,without screening or checks or anything.They don`t want any controls or oversight.They help arm the nuts and bottom feeders. 

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I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer

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ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete
Why would she need a warning shot? As it says in the subject line - God guided her

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer

Really??? When did you graduate from Phase 1 at the Federal LEO academy at Glynco?

Being on the federal dole and carrying a gun doesn't make you a Federal LEO, any more than it makes the guard in the lobby of the Social Security office an FBI agent.

If you were not an 083 or 1811 -12, 54, 96, etc.  series FLEO, stop using specific job titles you never earned, and riding on the coattails of those who did earn it.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Cl, I think you nailed it.
She was using God to rationalise what she did.
That's ok I guess if it works for her.
If it were me that did it I'd be thanking my time at the gun range for being a good shot and condemning that sick fuck for killing 4 innocent people.
This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around!

This just shows that armed citizens are very important to have around!


Nope,not just any armed citizen,after all,the perp was an armed citizen,wasn`t he?

I think the preacher had it correct and spot on,when he said(more than once)that it should be a trained,and SCREENED security person or persons that are armed and doing that work.Not the average "pistol-pack`n Popeye" on the street.Though I`m sure Popeye would have done the same thing the lady did.

The NRA dildos, want a free-for-all of guns, for every kook and his kookier brother,without screening or checks or anything.They don`t want any controls or oversight.They help arm the nuts and bottom feeders. 

Owner, I'm highly trained and *screened*.
I'm liscensed by the state of S. Carolina and New Hampshire to carry a concealed weapon.
I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer, USCG (Ret.)
I also had a "Secret" clearance. How's that for "screening?"
Anyone who is accepted into the U.S.C.G. undergoes an F.B.I. background check.
A few years after I was in a neighbor told me that two F.B.I. Agents came to his house and asked about me.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Why would she need a warning shot? As it says in the subject line - God guided her

Quite honestly - I cannot believe I haven't gotten flamed for this provocative preposterous statement!

I am all for someone stepping up and taking a life (which incidentally did not happen at the hands of the guard) of someone who is out to inflict harm upon countless innocent others. Kudos to the gal!

Yet, it appalls me that this is becoming a modern cruisade of sorts by justifying her shooting the guy because "God guided her". If I can accept it, it is because she did the right thing in taking out a homicidal killer who was about to harm or kill unsuspecting innocent individuals.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Personally,I think she`s a hero and shouldn`t be judged on her faith.Though it`s not for me,I wouldn`t put anyone down b/c of their faith.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I'd rather take the chance of some nutjob going crazy with a gun ( which, by the way, you have the *exact* *same* *chance* of that happening now -- the only difference is *now* there are fewer armed-responders on the immediate scene... ) than some nutjob working for the Government making the decision of who can own what property, and with what conditions and restrictions.

What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" is so hard to understand?

What part of well regulated,is so hard to understand?

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ORIGINAL: ctrlaltdelete

To get back to bipolarber's earlier point - if divinity had been involved, she would have never had to use her training in disabling him with her gun.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Never that she was there. Never that she wasn't in the bathroom. Never that she happened to be in the right place. Never that she had her gun on her. Never that she had the correct training to know what to do. Never that the gunman didn't use another exit. Never that her gun didn't jam.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Never that she was there. Never that she wasn't in the bathroom. Never that she happened to be in the right place. Never that she had her gun on her. Never that she had the correct training to know what to do. Never that the gunman didn't use another exit. Never that her gun didn't jam.

Never that a church/religion as the institutional extension of divinity on Earth has disenfranchised, disillusioned and angered this individual enough to even go toting his gun in the first place!

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Personally,I think she`s a hero and shouldn`t be judged on her faith.Though it`s not for me,I wouldn`t put anyone down b/c of their faith.

Agreed. My sole point of contention is this: celebrate her as a hero, because she is hero. Not because she was guided by divine intervention.

To get back to bipolarber's earlier point - if divinity had been involved, she would have never had to use her training in disabling him with her gun.

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I'd rather take the chance of some nutjob going crazy with a gun ( which, by the way, you have the *exact* *same* *chance* of that happening now -- the only difference is *now* there are fewer armed-responders on the immediate scene... ) than some nutjob working for the Government making the decision of who can own what property, and with what conditions and restrictions.

What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" is so hard to understand?

What part of well regulated,is so hard to understand?

Who says the GOVERNMENT needs to regulate the Militia?

The People are more than capable of self-organizing where required. If the Framers had meant for there to be BATF, they would have written it down in the 2nd Amendment.

Too bad the FOUR DEAD VICTIMS prior to this armed security guard turning up didn't have the opportunity to return fire.

MAYBE if the dead psycho didn't *know* his victims were likely unarmed, he wouldn't have had the balls to commit the murders in the first place? Somewhere like Vermont, perhaps, with no restrictions. Looks like the moment someone stood up to him, he blew his brains out. So, knowing he would be quickly shot dead might have made the guy just blow out his brains at home, saving the 4 victims from death.


AND... If she didn't know how to use makeup, she shouldn't have tried to figure it out just before her photo-op. She's approaching "Drag Queen" there...

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

It's a load of nonsense to say that you need training to own and carry a gun.  I get so sick of hearing that bullshit.  I have never had a formal training class in firearms.  I was taught how to use firearms when I was 8 years old by my father.  I refuse to get one of those stupid concealed carry permits.  I have a permit to carry a gun; it's called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.  It is a natural right for me to have the ability to protect myself; it's not a privilige. 

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

It's a load of nonsense to say that you need training to own and carry a gun. I get so sick of hearing that bullshit. I have never had a formal training class in firearms. I was taught how to use firearms when I was 8 years old by my father. I refuse to get one of those stupid concealed carry permits. I have a permit to carry a gun; it's called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It is a natural right for me to have the ability to protect myself; it's not a privilige.

That amendment is not a blanket statement. You have the right to free speech but you do not have the right to use it irresponsibly - you are not allowed to go into a crowded theater and yell fire. As such, that right comes with responsiblities. It is your responsiblity to educate yourself about guns and safety beyond the instruction of your father. It is your responsbility to register your gun. It is your responsibility to follow the laws in place for firemans.

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People have got to remember that when the 2nd amendment was penned, it took two whole minutes to load one bullet and it was very easy to disarm someone while they were doing it. Fuck, people can have all the muzzle loaders they want but if you want the nifty stuff you've got to follow some rules.

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The Constitution was not a flawless document nor was it intended to be one. The founders realized that times would change and that they could not forsee how things would change, which is why there are systems in place to change the Constitution.