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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You can say that ANYTHING comes with divine inspiration once you make the word "God" mean nothing at all.  I just farted--was that divine inspiration too?  It was natural, after all.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer

Really??? When did you graduate from Phase 1 at the Federal LEO academy at Glynco?

Being on the federal dole and carrying a gun doesn't make you a Federal LEO, any more than it makes the guard in the lobby of the Social Security office an FBI agent.

If you were not an 083 or 1811 -12, 54, 96, etc.  series FLEO, stop using specific job titles you never earned, and riding on the coattails of those who did earn it.

Alumbrado, our people went to Glynco, Quantico and Otis Air Force Base and other places around the country for training in law enforcement.
We worked with the Secret Service guarding then Vice President George Bush at his summer home in Maine.
We worked with Customs, Immigration, FBI, U.S. Marshalls and state and local agencies.
The U.S. Coast Guard currently has 6 man "LEDETS" (Law Enforcement Detatchments) onboard U.S. Navy ships to perform arrests of drug smugglers and illegal migrants. (Because of the "Posse Comitatus Act.")
They have USCG vessels in the Carribean and Pacific performing Drug Interdiction Operations.
The U.S. Coast Guard doesn't "ride on the coat tails" of anyone!
And, they even offer specialised law enforcement training to *local and state police agencies.*
I've been involved in the arrests of probably 200 drug smuglers.
How many have you arrested lately?
Instead of shooting your mouth off about something which you obviously know nothing about why don't you go to a Coast Guard Recruiter's office and sign up?
There's nothing in your background stopping you is there?

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That amendment is not a blanket statement. You have the right to free speech but you do not have the right to use it irresponsibly - you are not allowed to go into a crowded theater and yell fire. As such, that right comes with responsiblities. It is your responsiblity to educate yourself about guns and safety beyond the instruction of your father. It is your responsbility to register your gun. It is your responsibility to follow the laws in place for firemans.

People have got to remember that when the 2nd amendment was penned, it took two whole minutes to load one bullet and it was very easy to disarm someone while they were doing it. Fuck, people can have all the muzzle loaders they want but if you want the nifty stuff you've got to follow some rules.

The Constitution was not a flawless document nor was it intended to be one. The founders realized that times would change and that they could not forsee how things would change, which is why there are systems in place to change the Constitution.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Farting is part of nature, if you believe that some higher power created nature, then farting would be part of it as well. If you believe in a creator, whether it be an invisible manifestation in the clouds, or a mathematical equation, then not ANYTHING comes from it, but EVERYTHING comes from it. That means the good and the evil, the blights and the bounty.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Yes, they're called Amendments. And if you disagree with the un-infringed Right to Keep and Bear Arms, then you should just get the Amendment repealed, and/or changed to reflect what you believe to be the appropriate wording.

Otherwise, the Framers were quite deliberate in their choice of words. To "Read Between The Lines" and argue about where a, freaking, comma, is is just dishonest and dishonorable.

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Tell me, how many muzzle-loaders have you personally loaded? Even if we believe that it took under a minute that's at least 30 seconds for one round, as opposed to being able to unload a clip of 8+ without ever having to pause. One bullet, one kill and at least 30 seconds between each kill.

That's what the second amendment is written for.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I firmly believe in our right to own guns. But I don't believe we have the right to own any gun at any time, just as we don't have the right to say anything we want at any time we want.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go to the range where I'll practice my aim. Cause you see, I don't want guns to go away. And, as you said, the right to bear arms doesn't actually say guns. It doesn't say you have any arm you want. It just says the right to bear arms. Your sword and knife count.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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I'm also a former Federal Law Enforcement Officer

Really??? When did you graduate from Phase 1 at the Federal LEO academy at Glynco?

Being on the federal dole and carrying a gun doesn't make you a Federal LEO, any more than it makes the guard in the lobby of the Social Security office an FBI agent.

If you were not an 083 or 1811 -12, 54, 96, etc.  series FLEO, stop using specific job titles you never earned, and riding on the coattails of those who did earn it.

Alumbrado, our people went to Glynco, Quantico and Otis Air Force Base and other places around the country for training in law enforcement.
We worked with the Secret Service guarding then Vice President George Bush at his summer home in Maine.
We worked with Customs, Immigration, FBI, U.S. Marshalls and state and local agencies.
The U.S. Coast Guard currently has 6 man "LEDETS" (Law Enforcement Detatchments) onboard U.S. Navy ships to perform arrests of drug smugglers and illegal migrants. (Because of the "Posse Comitatus Act.")
They have USCG vessels in the Carribean and Pacific performing Drug Interdiction Operations.
The U.S. Coast Guard doesn't "ride on the coat tails" of anyone!
And, they even offer specialised law enforcement training to *local and state police agencies.*
I've been involved in the arrests of probably 200 drug smuglers.
How many have you arrested lately?
Instead of shooting your mouth off about something which you obviously know nothing about why don't you go to a Coast Guard Recruiter's office and sign up?
There's nothing in your background stopping you is there?

Yeah, being 55 in a couple of months...interesting that you claim to be CG retiree,and didn't know that there is an upper age limit for being commissioned.  

Sounds like your FLEO status isn't the only thing you are BSing about.

Citing the Glynco affiliate training is still not saying you personally ever graduated from FLEO Phase 1, or were ever sworn in by a federal judge as a sworn civilian FLEO in one of the GS series designated as such by OPM X-118.

So you continue to fail to meet the basic requirements to legitimately make that claim

And my arrest record is considerably better than yours, and I didn't have to lie about my status. 

You were no more a FLEO or a Federal Agent than the man in the moon.

It is like someone claiming to be a 'United States Marine', because they live in the US, and once went to the ocean. 

You are stealing someone else's honor, and I'm calling you on it.

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Woefully ignorant of history?

Tell me, how many muzzle-loaders have you personally loaded? Even if we believe that it took under a minute that's at least 30 seconds for one round, as opposed to being able to unload a clip of 8+ without ever having to pause. One bullet, one kill and at least 30 seconds between each kill.

That's what the second amendment is written for. Now if you believe that it is a blanket statement, you are sadly mistaken. Not every citizan is allowed to own a gun. If someone is shown to be mentally unstable, they are not allowed to own guns. If someone has a prior history of violence they are not allowed to own guns.

Now, nowhere did I mention have it repealed so calm down. I fully support guns, love shooting guns and looking forward to starting my own collection once I have a situation where I can have a proper safe installed and mounted to the wall. But the simple fact is that today's firearms are far beyond what the 2nd amendment was written for. Hell, I'd give anyone who wanted one muzzle loader. They miss the target more than they hit and take so long to reload that the Virgina Tech shooting simply wouldn't have happened. It doesn't take 30 seconds to rush someone who is in the same classroom as you. It's a hell of a lot easy than trying to disarm someone with a semiautomatic.

I firmly believe in our right to own guns. But I don't believe we have the right to own any gun at any time, just as we don't have the right to say anything we want at any time we want. Yell fire in a crowded theater and claim freedom of speech - see how far the blanket statement theory gets ya.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
We were under the Dept. of Transportation and used the Military rank structure series E-1- E-10 and O1- O10.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Actually after reading some News articles about it the guy had 1,000 rounds of ammo so this could have been considerably worse than it was!
And in some blogs the Lefties are going bonkers because this involves two of their favorite subjects, "God" and "Guns!" lol!

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You tell 'em farglebargle.

The reason we have the right to bear arms is to back up our votes. It's a part of the system of checks and balances - we the people may just rise up and fire the government with real fire any time sufficient numbers of us so choose.

Votes are just proxy for that, so that perhaps blood need not be shed. Firearms is the gold that backs the currency of the vote up.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Uh huh, then it that case it's utterly trivial to say that God was with the security guard.  God was with the shooter too.  God was with my fart.  In that uselessly diffuse sense, "God" doesn't mean anything at all.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Farting is part of nature, if you believe that some higher power created nature, then farting would be part of it as well. If you believe in a creator, whether it be an invisible manifestation in the clouds, or a mathematical equation, then not ANYTHING comes from it, but EVERYTHING comes from it. That means the good and the evil, the blights and the bounty.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You tell 'em farglebargle.

The reason we have the right to bear arms is to back up our votes. It's a part of the system of checks and balances - we the people may just rise up and fire the government with real fire any time sufficient numbers of us so choose.

Votes are just proxy for that, so that perhaps blood need not be shed. Firearms is the gold that backs the currency of the vote up.