Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: The Omnipotent Dom


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: The Omnipotent Dom Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/13/2007 12:51:32 PM   
SmokingGun82


Posts: 575
Joined: 6/19/2004
Status: offline 		It's one of those fascinating things people do... you find it often in religious debates, when someone will say "The bible says" and then quote something that perfectly proves their point. Sure, that means something to them, but when I fire off with quotes from Clerks, they refuse to accept it as absolute truth...

People will never fail to fascinate, annoy, amuse, and amaze me. Plus, it's got to be nice to have a "magic bullet" for a debate.


_____________________________

It frightens me, the awful truth of how sweet life can be.
- Bob Dylan

Proper capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my Uncle Jack off a horse" and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse."

(in reply to spanklette)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/13/2007 7:16:32 PM   
CalifChick


Posts: 10717
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: California
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali


_____________________________

AKA "The Undisputed Goddess of Sarcasm", "Big Bad Cali" and "Yum Bum". Advisor to the Subbie Mafia, founding member of the W.A.C. and the Judgmental Bitches Brigade, member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's and Team Troll

(in reply to BeingChewsie)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/13/2007 8:09:11 PM   
BondageSlaveMN


Posts: 80
Joined: 12/11/2007
Status: offline 		As an unowned slave, I speak my own mind and don't crutch on the beliefs of others. If someone successfully destroys my argument then I go back to the drawing board and come up with more evidence for my argument. Otherwise it's time to convert or perhaps just agree to disagree.

I just thought about what I wrote and it's quite clearly not very submissive at all... All I can say about that is that I'm the proverbial wolf in sheep's skin. Or rather the other way around. I am the sheep in wolves' skin I guess. Perhaps having been forced to live in the real world all these years has given me an assertive nature. I would relish the opportunity to shed this coat of mine. Perhaps some day.

(in reply to CalifChick)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/13/2007 9:31:20 PM   
spanklette


Posts: 882
Joined: 2/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BondageSlaveMN

As an unowned slave, I speak my own mind and don't crutch on the beliefs of others. If someone successfully destroys my argument then I go back to the drawing board and come up with more evidence for my argument. Otherwise it's time to convert or perhaps just agree to disagree.

I just thought about what I wrote and it's quite clearly not very submissive at all... All I can say about that is that I'm the proverbial wolf in sheep's skin. Or rather the other way around. I am the sheep in wolves' skin I guess. Perhaps having been forced to live in the real world all these years has given me an assertive nature. I would relish the opportunity to shed this coat of mine. Perhaps some day.



I don't consider a well thought out and mature debate not submissive. Actually, I don't see a connection between the two at all...otherwise, these boards would be pretty empty.

_____________________________

~spanklette~

"The important thing is this: to be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become. " Charles du Bois

"Please don't shout, can't you see I'm not listening." Billie Myers

(in reply to BondageSlaveMN)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/13/2007 10:11:50 PM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline 		At the end of the day, there is no opinion related to BDSM that outweighs his opinion. Now on any other topic of conversation, that ain't so, but when it comes to WIITWD, his opinion is the number one opinion for me... not hallowed ground, it is just that I am not in a relationship with anyone else here, I do not answer to any of you...and I do answer to him.

I do not expect his opinion to carry weight with anyone else but me. I expect others to feel the way I do too, and respect that....

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to spanklette)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 6:08:13 AM   
BeingChewsie


Posts: 1633
Joined: 10/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



Cali,

Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.


_____________________________

"In fact, it is my contention that most women are accepting of way less than optimal circumstance constantly, and are lucky to be 'snagged' by the right man, if ever. But it is more by happy accident than by their design. "
~Ron and Hup

(in reply to CalifChick)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 6:12:07 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline 		One person's doormat is another person's doorknocker

You are right beingchewsie, his opinion on your merit is the only one that matters, especially on this board...


_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to BeingChewsie)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 8:18:29 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


Posts: 19224
Joined: 10/25/2005
Status: offline 		My partners opinion is not the only one that matters in my life.  My mothers opinion matters, my nephews opinion matters, my friends opinions matter, heck even my boss' opinion MATTERS because that goes into my income and future possible options and influences.

That's where you get into what "ultimately" matters.  I care what other people think, but that doesn't mean I am CONTROLLED by what they think.

I'm fine with a slave being a doorknob or a doormat and see no reason they shouldn't be as proud of that as any person is of their choice and relationship style.  As long as you know the source of their priorities, it actually makes communicating and connecting a lot easier.

_____________________________

Find stable partners, not a stable of partners.

"Sometimes my whore logic gets all fuzzy"- Californication

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 8:28:49 PM   
ownedgirlie


Posts: 9184
Joined: 2/5/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



Cali,

Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



Awesome reply!


(in reply to BeingChewsie)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 8:44:02 PM   
intro2submissive


Posts: 35
Joined: 12/9/2007
From: DC
Status: offline 		To quote my grandmother, the wisest person i know:
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one"

And thus a sub might desire to feel their Dom knows EVERYTHING, others might know their Dom's opinions are falliable. Its a matter of opinion and perception.
Personally i know people are incapable of knowing everything about the world, thus that is hardly and argument in my opinion but to each H/his or H/her own.


_____________________________

“A man is either free or he is not. There cannot be any apprenticeship for freedom.”- Imamu Amiri Baraka

(in reply to spanklette)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 9:02:27 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


Posts: 3054
Joined: 10/1/2005
Status: offline 		To the Op..A persons thoughts, beliefs,opinions are ALL based on our life experiences. Through occurring events, and family, and people we have encountered on our way up through our growth and beyond. Even through differing generational commonalities, through the news.. all these things help shape our thoughts and views and beliefs...so why not the Dominants to their submissives as well...Like you ,when I first started to read this thread my first thought was my beliefs and opinions are fully my own..however, with more contemplation I realized this was simply not so...It is fully a combination of all the above that has shaped how and what I feel and hold true for me...Tempting

_____________________________

I have greatly enjoyed the second blooming...suddenly you find at the age of 50, that a whole new life has opened before you.........Agatha Christie.

You must make tracks into the unknown~~Thoreau

(in reply to intro2submissive)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 10:15:53 PM   
CalifChick


Posts: 10717
Joined: 10/28/2007
From: California
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I don't post on a subject if I don't know where he stands and where he expects me to stand on any issue.


Isn't that pretty much the definition of intellectual doorknob?  No thoughts or positions of your own, but only that of your Dom/Master/whoever? Or are there topics in which he says "knock yourself out, this one is yours"?  Really, I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.

Cali



Cali,

Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



Well that's great and all that it works for you.  But it didn't answer my question (okay, it answered the first question, but that one was really rhetorical).  Are you allowed any opinions or the expression of thoughts of your own?  Any subjects that are open, or are there absolutely none that are available for independent thought?

Cali


_____________________________

AKA "The Undisputed Goddess of Sarcasm", "Big Bad Cali" and "Yum Bum". Advisor to the Subbie Mafia, founding member of the W.A.C. and the Judgmental Bitches Brigade, member of the Clan of the Scarlet O'Hair-a's and Team Troll

(in reply to BeingChewsie)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/14/2007 11:15:58 PM   
DiosDeEsclavas


Posts: 13
Joined: 12/4/2007
Status: offline 		It's called Appeal to Authority:
  • Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
  • Person A makes claim C about subject S.
  • Therefore, C is true.
    This happens in many arenas, but is really only a fallacy when person A is not an authority on S.  We can assume that a Dom is the absolute authority for at least some aspects of a sub's life, but this type of argument is only effective when both parties accept A's authority, and then only as a time saver.  If A is not accepted as an authority, then the debater must use A's arguments, not A's authority.  The sub usually starts with this but then gets stuck when they find they don't fully understand the claim they are supporting and have to appeal to there Dom's authority. 

    I think the Dom is usually not available at this point because if they were, the sub could ask him and you would then in effect be having a conversation with the Dom through the sub without even knowing it.  This is not necessarily bad, the sub is learning.

    As a Dom I can't imagine anything worse then being a slave, except being a slave to a foolish master.  We can only hope that subs/slaves who need to rely on the inflect of there Dom's have not misplaced there truest.

    (in reply to CalifChick)
    • Profile   Post #: 33
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 1:51:28 AM   
    MasterFireMaam


    Posts: 5587
    Joined: 3/1/2006
    From: Charleston, WV
    Status: offline     		Well, see, you're expecting them to be just like you. But what if they're HAPPY feeling a certain way about a subject because they've been told to feel that way? Yeah, I know, I can't wrap my head around it either and, in a lot of ways, it smacks of an unhealthy mental/emotional dependence, BUT, that might be where they're coming from. People are allowed to be as logical...or illogical...as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else.

    Master Fire


    _____________________________

    The power of who we are can be intoxicating. The power of who we could be is humbling.
    -----
    Ms Relationship Books
    -----
    BDSM How-To Books

    (in reply to spanklette)
    Profile   Post #: 34
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 3:59:33 AM   
    spanklette


    Posts: 882
    Joined: 2/22/2005
    Status: offline
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

    Well, see, you're expecting them to be just like you. But what if they're HAPPY feeling a certain way about a subject because they've been told to feel that way? Yeah, I know, I can't wrap my head around it either and, in a lot of ways, it smacks of an unhealthy mental/emotional dependence, BUT, that might be where they're coming from. People are allowed to be as logical...or illogical...as they wish as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else.

    Master Fire



    This is pretty much the point at which I've been able to get...I just couldn't articulate it as well.
     
    To be fair, this really is not about the message boards...in fact, I hardly even notice it on the boards. It's really more of an irritant to me in real life conversations and situations. Sometimes it just feels like people use it more like a habit than anything else.
     
    I'm not trying to put anyone down for accepting their Dominant's opinion at face value. I do it myself, often. I guess I just feel like our relationship is richer (for me) when I understand why and how our relationship functions the way it does. Then again, someone could come along right behind me and post about submissives that overanalyze...

    _____________________________

    ~spanklette~

    "The important thing is this: to be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become. " Charles du Bois

    "Please don't shout, can't you see I'm not listening." Billie Myers

    (in reply to MasterFireMaam)
    Profile   Post #: 35
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 7:32:39 AM   
    BeingChewsie


    Posts: 1633
    Joined: 10/27/2005
    Status: offline
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: CalifChick

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie


    Cali,

    Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.



    Well that's great and all that it works for you.  But it didn't answer my question (okay, it answered the first question, but that one was really rhetorical).  Are you allowed any opinions or the expression of thoughts of your own?  Any subjects that are open, or are there absolutely none that are available for independent thought?

    Cali



    Publically I express the viewpoints of the household or I express nothing at all. That is his expectation of me. There are subjects he doesn't care about...I tend to not care about those either. It doesn't serve me well in this household to think differently or counter to him. He doesn't find it pleasing as a general rule. He has plenty of people he pays very well to offer their opinions and debate things with him. My role is being his oasis. That is easier to accomplish when I internalize his beliefs and viewpoints. Not to mention it makes my life so much simpler and peaceful.


    < Message edited by BeingChewsie -- 12/15/2007 7:34:18 AM >

    _____________________________

    "In fact, it is my contention that most women are accepting of way less than optimal circumstance constantly, and are lucky to be 'snagged' by the right man, if ever. But it is more by happy accident than by their design. "
    ~Ron and Hup

    (in reply to CalifChick)
    Profile   Post #: 36
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 8:58:06 AM   
    LuckyAlbatross


    Posts: 19224
    Joined: 10/25/2005
    Status: offline     		I think Chewsie touched on the important point "he doesn't find it pleasing."

    I'm the type who just really gets off on contrast and alternative views and how two theoretically opposed ideas can exist in harmony simultaneously. 

    It's good to be the oasis- it's just that each person defines "oasis" differently.

    _____________________________

    Find stable partners, not a stable of partners.

    "Sometimes my whore logic gets all fuzzy"- Californication

    (in reply to BeingChewsie)
    Profile   Post #: 37
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 9:49:32 AM   
    BeingChewsie


    Posts: 1633
    Joined: 10/27/2005
    Status: offline
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

    I think Chewsie touched on the important point "he doesn't find it pleasing."

    I'm the type who just really gets off on contrast and alternative views and how two theoretically opposed ideas can exist in harmony simultaneously. 

    It's good to be the oasis- it's just that each person defines "oasis" differently.


    Agreed! If he found contrasting viewpoints from me and/or debating issues with him pleasing I'd be doing exactly that. If he wanted me to express an opinion other than his publically I would. He doesn't so I don't..simple :).

    _____________________________

    "In fact, it is my contention that most women are accepting of way less than optimal circumstance constantly, and are lucky to be 'snagged' by the right man, if ever. But it is more by happy accident than by their design. "
    ~Ron and Hup

    (in reply to LuckyAlbatross)
    Profile   Post #: 38
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 12:37:20 PM   
    SirJohnMandevill


    Posts: 546
    Joined: 11/10/2005
    Status: offline
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
    Sure "intellectual dooknob" works for me. As long it pleases R and he keeps me, I'll be a doormat, doorknob, doorknocker, it is all good. It has served me well for many years in his household.


    I personally would not want a doormat for a submissive. I'd get bored pretty quickly without a sub having a sense of herself and properly asserting same. I need the intellectual stimulation.

    Obviously, just my .02 zlotys. Your milage may vary.

    Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)

    _____________________________

    Iam an eroticist
    I am a fully eroticized being
    No more neuroses
    I found my strip naked soul soup
    With the deviant ingredient
    ---The B-52s

    (in reply to BeingChewsie)
    Profile   Post #: 39
    RE: The Omnipotent Dom - 12/15/2007 1:09:24 PM   
    slaveluci


    Posts: 4294
    Joined: 3/2/2007
    From: Little Rock, AR
    Status: offline
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
    My role is being his oasis. That is easier to accomplish when I internalize his beliefs and viewpoints. Not to mention it makes my life so much simpler and peaceful.

    .  Wow.  I love that statement.  Beautifully stated, chewsie.  Worthy of being a sig line...................luci

    _____________________________

    To choose a good book, look in an inquisitor’s prohibited list. ~John Aikin

    (in reply to BeingChewsie)
    Profile   Post #: 40
    Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
    All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: The Omnipotent Dom Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
    Jump to:





    New Messages No New Messages
    Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
    Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
     Post New Thread
     Reply to Message
     Post New Poll
     Submit Vote
     Delete My Own Post
     Delete My Own Thread
     Rate Posts




    Collarchat.com © 2025
    Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

    0.109