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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 7:15:15 PM   
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The edition I own has a postscript commentary on Pauline Reage who may or may not be the actual author; there are conflicting accounts as to whether this was a pseudonym of a man, or woman.
But it is interesting for what it is worth, since it describes the woman as the author, writing this book as a love letter to a man she adored; not intending the book to describe an actual life, or possible life, but as an erotic fevered fantasy of how deeply she adored the man, that she wished she COULD become like O to him, even knowing it was impossible.

Which is where I leave it in My mind...how many times have we loved someone so intensely, we wished to completely consume them, either to enslave them, or be enslaved, but in either case to be so bonded, so connected that even branding initials into flesh seemed not strong enough a declaration?



Really good points AnimusRex. I have that edition as well and am also curious as to whether the author was a man or woman. I tend to believe it is a woman. Which makes the dichotomy between the Beauty series and O all the more interesting for each having been written by women.

It shows alot about the way women think. I can usually tell in a nanosecond whether erotica was written by a man or woman; there is something in the telling and the depiction of feelings that always differentiates it. Not that men have no feelings, but I feel when men write erotica it is more visually constructed than viscerally constructed.

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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 7:22:03 PM   
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O was abandoned......depending on the version...in the movie they live happily ever after. Which is also how I prefer to see it, that in a love story an author has only a limited number of endings:
1. Happily ever after; (Beauty)
2. Tragic death; (O)
3. Bitter parting (9-1/2 Weeks)

I like to think of them living happily ever after as well, but don't fault the author(s) with selecting a different one. I suppose seeing O as a blueprint for a life may be madness...but a delicious dream


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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 8:11:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ummm.... The Story of O is fiction. The only person who can really answer why something happened in the story is the original author. Everybody can speculate, and people can try to relate the story to their own lives, but if you want to know why something happened in the original story, talk to the author. (I know... that's not possible... but still,... well, I hope you get my point.)

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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 8:14:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cannot remember if it is O or 9 1/2 weeks where the author is a woman.  Believe it is 9 1/2 weeks.
Both are estreemly good books and you can get them really cheap on Ebay.
 
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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 8:18:31 PM   
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Ummm.... The Story of O is fiction. The only person who can really answer why something happened in the story is the original author. Everybody can speculate, and people can try to relate the story to their own lives, but if you want to know why something happened in the original story, talk to the author. (I know... that's not possible... but still,... well, I hope you get my point.)

Take care,
Michael



Ummm..Dude?? Who said it was not fiction? Do you think everyone posting here is a moron?

Did you ever hear of intellectual discussion about books? We don't need to speak to an author to speculate; that is what book clubs and discussions are for.

That is why this thread was started. Nice first post, by the way.

I hope you get MY point.

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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 8:56:59 PM   
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They're true stories, I asked J K Rowlings.

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RE: The story of O - 12/19/2007 9:57:51 PM   
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But, there was a big article on Story of O around a few years ago in the UK Guardian, and they seemed pretty darn clear that it was indeed written by a woman, Dominique Aury,  as almost an attempt at a seduction of a man.

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RE: The story of O - 12/21/2007 10:44:34 AM   
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i read this story when i was a teenager and parts of it turned me on, Yet when i just saw the movie they made out of the book i looked at it in a different light. To me it made her out to be a tramp. She was loaned out to everyone, even complete strangers which is fine, but what i don't understand is. When she claimed to be in love with Sir Stephan and he clearly hated loaning her out, Why did he do it? He never watched or stayed and it clearly made him sick.(in the movie) Yet with every stranger she was given to she loved it.If you loved someone and you knew it hurt them to loan you out. Why go? Also if it hurts you why loan her out. The movie made no sense to me. Did it to any of You?Please remember i am reffering to the movie and not to the book. Thanks


Yes, it made perfect sense to me.

Why did O obey and allow herself to be loaned out?  Because she has agreed to be Sir Stephen's slave and to allow herself to be used as he wishes.  She has the right not to be his slave any longer, but if she is his slave, she does not have the right to disobey. 

By the point in the movie (and book) where she is loaned to Sir Stephen's two friends she loves being his slave, and so she gladly obeys.  The night that O first meets Sir Stephen, he correctly understands that part of the reason she obeys Rene is that she loves him, and part of the reason is that she is "easy."  By the end of the movie she obeys because she is Sir Stephen's slave.  That is a profound change that I may not be expressing very well.

Why did Sir Stephen loan her out, even though in the movie it appears that he is reluctant to do so?  First, no mention of reluctance is made in the book.  The show of reluctance in the movie was the director's or the actor's interpretation of how Sir Stephen felt.  In both the movie and the book it is clear that the next day when one of the men, Eric, wants O as his own, Sir Stephen is upset and quite concerned that she will agree.  He does not want to lose her.  She makes it clear that she belongs to him.

For a while, I was associated with a group that claimed to be the model for the society of the chateau mentioned in the book and movie.  I don't know if it is true or not, but my experience with them shed some light on what may have been going through Sir Stephen's mind in either the book or the movie.

Sir Stephen belongs to the society of the chateau.  It is a group of dominant men, which has existed for generations.  Their members enjoy and are expert at seducing, enslaving and enjoying female slaves.  They are not satisfied with going to a munch or some short scene play.  They want to own women who are totally enslaved and willing to enthusiastically do all the things necessary to serve and satisfy their masters.

O is not the first slave to be owned by the society.  Over the generations, the society has perfected a process for enslaving women.  They receive basic training during an initial two week stay at Roissy.  Over a period of months, their master and a mentor refine their training in the day to day world (in O's case, Rene's mentor Sir Stephen falls in love with her and wants her for his own).  The slaves are then sent to Samois, to learn that they are just as much a slave in an all female enviroment.  They return to their "normal" life, and have further prescribed experiences: being loaned to other society members in a "normal life" setting, seducing another woman to be recruited as a society slave, and developing pride in being revealed as a slave.  Then they are returned to Roissy to serve the society as prostitutes.  Because the story ends, we do not know what occurs in the process after that.

If that is what is really happening in the Story of O, Sir Stephen's reluctance is more understandable, but as a good member of the society he goes through with it anyway.

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RE: The story of O - 12/21/2007 11:16:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

The edition I own has a postscript commentary on Pauline Reage who may or may not be the actual author; there are conflicting accounts as to whether this was a pseudonym of a man, or woman.
But it is interesting for what it is worth, since it describes the woman as the author, writing this book as a love letter to a man she adored; not intending the book to describe an actual life, or possible life, but as an erotic fevered fantasy of how deeply she adored the man, that she wished she COULD become like O to him, even knowing it was impossible.

Which is where I leave it in My mind...how many times have we loved someone so intensely, we wished to completely consume them, either to enslave them, or be enslaved, but in either case to be so bonded, so connected that even branding initials into flesh seemed not strong enough a declaration?



It turned out that Pauline Reage was the pseudonym of a french woman named Anne Desclos.  Google her name for more information.


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RE: The story of O - 12/21/2007 4:50:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: grizzledathlete

For a while, I was associated with a group that claimed to be the model for the society of the chateau mentioned in the book and movie.  I don't know if it is true or not, but my experience with them shed some light on what may have been going through Sir Stephen's mind in either the book or the movie.

Sir Stephen belongs to the society of the chateau.  It is a group of dominant men, which has existed for generations.  Their members enjoy and are expert at seducing, enslaving and enjoying female slaves.  They are not satisfied with going to a munch or some short scene play.  They want to own women who are totally enslaved and willing to enthusiastically do all the things necessary to serve and satisfy their masters.

O is not the first slave to be owned by the society.  Over the generations, the society has perfected a process for enslaving women.  They receive basic training during an initial two week stay at Roissy.  Over a period of months, their master and a mentor refine their training in the day to day world (in O's case, Rene's mentor Sir Stephen falls in love with her and wants her for his own).  The slaves are then sent to Samois, to learn that they are just as much a slave in an all female enviroment.  They return to their "normal" life, and have further prescribed experiences: being loaned to other society members in a "normal life" setting, seducing another woman to be recruited as a society slave, and developing pride in being revealed as a slave.  Then they are returned to Roissy to serve the society as prostitutes.  Because the story ends, we do not know what occurs in the process after that.



See My comments on another thread about the "Old Houses of Europe"  and the "shadowy secret societies of Masters" nonsense. As a sincere practitioner of BDSM you are well served to no longer be associated with that group. Any group of people who spread the notion they are somehow the "model" for this are charlatans.
"real" BDSM groups exist all over the place- they are hardly shadowy; most are simple private clubs or with liquor licenses, organized as tax-exempt non-profits, or as businesses operating freely in the light of day.
I will cheerful mail a crisp $100 bill to the first person who can post clear evidence of these "secret" societies; Has anyone out there had actual first hand evidence of this? has anyone been to one? been trained by one?
Doesn't common sense kick in here somewhere? "generations" of Masters enslaving women? really? generations??? How are new generations inducted? is it father to son? How come no one ever talks about it? yet somehow we all hear about it, but only in the third hand "friend of a friend" urban myth style.

Sorry if this seems like a rant; but after 9 years of hearing this same stuff floating around it just gets a bit much...Grizzled Athlete, as I said, You are better off not associating yourself with those folk.

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RE: The story of O - 12/21/2007 5:44:50 PM   
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I don't doubt but that you are correct. 

My comments were more about the fictional "backstory" of the novel, which for me did make sense in terms of the events of the novel.

Having said that, during the brief time that I was affiliated with the group, it became clear that they did know an awful lot about the handling of the female submissive.  My girl and I made tremendous progress while we were following their methods.

But I agree with you, I think that 99 and 44/110% of the shadowy secret societies stuff is complete nonsense.  It does make for intriguing fiction, like the Story of O.

Jeffrey

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RE: The story of O - 12/21/2007 7:40:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolute Fiction! Have you ever noticed...in both Beauty and The story of O nobody ever gets their period ? No one gets pregnant? Well its mentioned in The story of O once as a worry but thats about it. I guess thats why its such fantasy all those worries and concerns that get in the way are removed. Obstacles that get in the way like STD's, bloating farting , pregnancy and other unseemly functions of nature.

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RE: The story of O - 12/21/2007 9:57:12 PM   
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Luna it was a tv series? was it on cable/ i had never heard of it being on tv before. i didn't think tv would show that.


luna is pretty sure it was not a series here in America.  Italy this girl thinks  . . . but luna is not positive.  According to http://imdb.com/title/tt0147791/#comment it was a tv series in 1992 and was released onto VHS in 1994 as a 10 volume VHS collection.  It was released onto DVD as a 5 disk set in 2000 and again in 2003.  It was written and directed by Eric Rochat (who by the way also directed Histore d'O - the sequel in which she becomes a Dominatrix)  most of his other works seem to come out of Italy and Spain. 
 
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FR - that wasn't the sequel (Histoire d'O) it was the movie version, and i think it was either french or italian.


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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 5:31:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, in fiction an author can eliminate many of the challenges of life by just not including them in the story.  In real life, fantasies can still become realities, but you have to deal with the challenges.  The group I mentioned had techniques for dealing with periods and preventing pregnancy and STD's. Unfortunately, they did not deal with bloating and farting.

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 5:59:41 AM   
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I guess thats why its such fantasy all those worries and concerns that get in the way are removed. Obstacles that get in the way like STD's, bloating farting , pregnancy and other unseemly functions of nature.

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:08:23 AM   
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Yes, in fiction an author can eliminate many of the challenges of life by just not including them in the story.  In real life, fantasies can still become realities, but you have to deal with the challenges.  The group I mentioned had techniques for dealing with periods and preventing pregnancy and STD's. Unfortunately, they did not deal with bloating and farting.


Well how can one be a Twue master if they cant deal with bloating and farting?

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:20:00 AM   
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Luna it was a tv series? was it on cable/ i had never heard of it being on tv before. i didn't think tv would show that.


luna is pretty sure it was not a series here in America.  Italy this girl thinks  . . . but luna is not positive.  According to http://imdb.com/title/tt0147791/#comment it was a tv series in 1992 and was released onto VHS in 1994 as a 10 volume VHS collection.  It was released onto DVD as a 5 disk set in 2000 and again in 2003.  It was written and directed by Eric Rochat (who by the way also directed Histore d'O - the sequel in which she becomes a Dominatrix)  most of his other works seem to come out of Italy and Spain. 
 
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FR - that wasn't the sequel (Histoire d'O) it was the movie version, and i think it was either french or italian.



This thread has made mention of the several versions of the Story of O.  Here is a list of the ones I know about.

Books
Historie d’O [1954] by Pauline Reage, translated by Sabine d’Estree, published in the US by Ballantine Books as Story of O.
Retour a Roissy [1969] by Pauline Reage, translated by Sabine d’Estree, published in the US by Ballantine Books as Return to the Chateau
Story of O comic book [1975] by Guido Crepax
Confessions of O [1975] by Regine Deforges – a long interview with the then still anonymous Pauline Reage, published in the US by Viking Press in 1979
The Illustrated Story of O [2001] – photographs by Doris Kloster
Blue Moon Press has an edition of “O” with a different translator, but other than some minor translation differences it is the same as the Ballantine edition.

Movies
Historie d’O [1959-1961] – directed by Kenneth Anger but never completed
Historie d’O [1975] – French, starring Corinne Clery as O
The Story of O [1992] – Brazilian miniseries, starring Claudia Cepeda as O
The Story of O – Untold Pleasures [2002] – starring Danielle Ciardi as O

Sequel movies
The Fruits of Passion [1981] – Japanese, very loosely based on Return to the Chateau, starring Isabelle Illiers as O and Klaus Kinski as Sir Stephen
The Story of O Part 2 [1984] – Spanish (I think), starring Sandra Wey as O - not based on Return to the Chateau, O becomes a dominitrix/character assassin

Other movies influenced by the Story of O
Story of Joanna [1975] – starring Teri Hall as Joanna
Menthe - la bienheureuse [1979] – directed by Lars von Trier
Writer of O [2004] – directed by Pola Rapaport
O the Power of Submission [2006] – starring Carmen Luvana as O


It is essentially certain that Pauline Reage was the pen name for Anne Desclos.


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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:24:31 AM   
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O the Power of Submission [2006] – starring Carmen Luvana as O

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:24:51 AM   
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Yes, in fiction an author can eliminate many of the challenges of life by just not including them in the story.  In real life, fantasies can still become realities, but you have to deal with the challenges.  The group I mentioned had techniques for dealing with periods and preventing pregnancy and STD's. Unfortunately, they did not deal with bloating and farting.


Well how can one be a Twue master if they cant deal with bloating and farting?


Actually, now that I think of it, they did mention, in a description of a prolonged cunninlingus session with a bound submissive that she might well fart or pee and the advice was to keep going. 

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:26:48 AM   
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Absolute Fiction! Have you ever noticed...in both Beauty and The story of O nobody ever gets their period ? No one gets pregnant? Well its mentioned in The story of O once as a worry but thats about it. I guess thats why its such fantasy all those worries and concerns that get in the way are removed. Obstacles that get in the way like STD's, bloating farting , pregnancy and other unseemly functions of nature.


LMAO. My dear, you are being far too practical! Didn't you know that any true sub/slave just wills herself not to have any of those things? We are all like Barbie's in bondage, no muss, no fuss. But, yes, that is why it is fantasy literature and why people need to be a bit more realistic in their dealings in real life, so when faced with some things, they don't freak out and say, OMG that did not happen in the book!!!

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