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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:33:37 AM

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The term for this kind of selective reality is "pornotopia." It's where an author deliberately ignores inconvienient realities in order to keep the story engaging to their audiance. Since little problems like unwanted pregnancy, STD's and rude bodily functions would only serve to "snap" the audiance out of the story, they are eliminated from the universe. Porn is not the only example of this, of course. TV and movies are the same. Ever see Jack Bauer on "24" waste a half an hour taking a crap? Has anyone in the Star Trek universe EVER been seen going to the bathroom? (only exception: First Contact, when one character said he had to take a leak... turned out he was lying just to make a run for it.) Of course, since sex was forbidden on early TV, we were all treated to twin beds in every bedroom.

"Pornotopias" like the Beauty trilogy, or "O" are all well and good, but I much prefer a more realistic style of fiction. I think this is why I consider Patrick Califia to be head and shoulders above the rest. He makes his characters fully human, and than includes needing to pee after having a couple of beers, farting in the middle of a scene, or needing an enema before getting into some serious ass play.

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 6:38:59 AM

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And I can tell you that this one really sucked.

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O the Power of Submission [2006] – starring Carmen Luvana as O

I'll take your word for it. Even though I am an "O" fan, I haven't felt the need to get it.

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 7:12:57 AM

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"Pornotopia" ... that's a great word.

I read O when I was an early adolescent, and for many years it was my favorite piece of pornography. Now that I have more RL experiencece I'm a little afraid to read it again, figuring that it would be too likely to seem irrideemably stupid ... but I still compulsively read all bulletin board posts on the subject.

I rather like the Clery fim, though sometimes it goes a bit over the top. I found the 10-hour series to be a complete and utter drag, although parts of it were truer to the novel ... I think they could have edited it down to a 2 1/2 hour pure adaptation and it would have been much better (there actually is an edited cinematic version of the series, but they kept all the parts I hated).

Story of Joanna (film) had one good flogging scene but outside of that was just tedious porn to me. I haven't seen the other films.

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 7:20:40 AM

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The term for this kind of selective reality is "pornotopia." It's where an author deliberately ignores inconvienient realities in order to keep the story engaging to their audiance. Since little problems like unwanted pregnancy, STD's and rude bodily functions would only serve to "snap" the audiance out of the story, they are eliminated from the universe. Porn is not the only example of this, of course. TV and movies are the same. Ever see Jack Bauer on "24" waste a half an hour taking a crap? Has anyone in the Star Trek universe EVER been seen going to the bathroom? (only exception: First Contact, when one character said he had to take a leak... turned out he was lying just to make a run for it.) Of course, since sex was forbidden on early TV, we were all treated to twin beds in every bedroom.

"Pornotopias" like the Beauty trilogy, or "O" are all well and good, but I much prefer a more realistic style of fiction. I think this is why I consider Patrick Califia to be head and shoulders above the rest. He makes his characters fully human, and than includes needing to pee after having a couple of beers, farting in the middle of a scene, or needing an enema before getting into some serious ass play.

In the past in my younger days I created my own. Well, not pornotopia as I was 8..... Ok, may, I was masurbating ay that age. HOWEVER, I could not picture my beloved Donny Osmond or any of his brother's ever needing a bathroom. those mormons were too good for that!

Oh MY GOD did I just mention the Osmonds in a thread about The story of O? Blasphemy. I will surely burn for this

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 7:29:51 AM

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I saw the Clery film when it first came out. I was 18 at the time. It had a profound impact on me. I read the book shortly thereafter.

I don't think the film or the book are a good introduction to real life BDSM, but I don't think either one are irredeemably stupid.

I think it all comes down to what a person likes. I have always enjoyed the Story of O as a romantic fantasy, and I have also enjoyed the parts of it that I have been able to experience as a reality. I am sure that many people would not enjoy either aspect, but might really like something else that would I would not enjoy at all.

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RE: The story of O - 12/22/2007 3:17:58 PM

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Absolute Fiction! Have you ever noticed...in both Beauty and The story of O nobody ever gets their period ? No one gets pregnant? Well its mentioned in The story of O once as a worry but thats about it. I guess thats why its such fantasy all those worries and concerns that get in the way are removed. Obstacles that get in the way like STD's, bloating farting , pregnancy and other unseemly functions of nature.

LMAO. My dear, you are being far too practical! Didn't you know that any true sub/slave just wills herself not to have any of those things? We are all like Barbie's in bondage, no muss, no fuss. But, yes, that is why it is fantasy literature and why people need to be a bit more realistic in their dealings in real life, so when faced with some things, they don't freak out and say, OMG that did not happen in the book!!!

Oh no my dear. not like Barbie in bondage. We are more like wind up dolls or Bobble head dolls( in the back of cars). How else is our head going to bob up and down tirelessly without messing up our hair or our make-up?????

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RE: The story of O - 3/1/2008 10:14:10 PM

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*winces* I ... did NOT like the 'story of O' ... I picked it up because it was one of those 'highly reccomended' books for ppl into bdsm >.> lending or trading isn't something I like...

I don't like the idea of, how shall I put this? 'batch' training slaves... I'd rather be trained specifically by and for my Dominant than to have a mass produced 'training regime' put on me since everything on said regime might not neccessarily be something the sub would be willing to do/try otherwise...

I couldn't even finish the book I didn't like the storyline at all... I tried skipping to just the scenes and reading those (well of course that's what I picked up the book for!) but I felt I couldn't adequately enjoy them because there was the rest of the storyline around it!

I didn't like what happened to her... Rene just sorta, threw her away... after everything he wanted someone else >.> I would have been royally pissed at that! I stopped reading a little after Sir Stephen was introduced.

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RE: The story of O - 3/2/2008 4:54:39 AM

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Well I am sure it will be cited as being an age thing and a lack of grip on reality and yadda yadda but i loved the film and the book. I think that O is portrayed with a sense of power especially in the scene with the owls mask and when she brands Sir Stephan. Most fiction haven to be given poetic licence so I took the positive for the film. Her fight to make Sir Stephan love her and her total determination. I didnt like the rene character but I take him as being a rather foolheardy guy who doesnt know what he is doing and Sir Stephan as one with intense pride who finds it hard to come to terms with loving O. I also giggled at the deliberate juxtaposition in the film with the black maid looking down on O. It was my first intoroduction to BDSM and though everyone else is saying that it is not a good one it hasnt done me any harm. I dont see it as O being a tramp or any of those negative things I see it as her being an increadably strong person who grows withing the story. The line "I am not ashamed of who I am" Always makes me sit that little bit taller.

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RE: The story of O - 3/2/2008 8:44:21 AM

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Neither a book nor a movie have any bearing on real life, they're a subjective view by a person on something they think they know something about, and what you get from it is an interpretation of what they create. I personally never try to "understand" a work of fiction if I don't know the author. I enjoy it, it paints pictures in my mind, or I don't. I am saying this as a published author, and commercial producer of movies and theatre plays, somewhere in my turbulent past