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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 11:56:22 AM   
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Only meta slaves wear matching hosiery and skirts...


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 12:05:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Only meta slaves wear matching hosiery and skirts...


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 12:50:08 PM   
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It's all really hard to tell. I like women whom I can talk with on a certain level, but I'm sure there are women on higher levels that I'm not up to. Who knows. We all seek similar references, thought patterns and intelligence capability and it plays out well if we take the time to get to know each other. Go into sub (Dom)  frenzy and you think you are a special whatever... who ends up lamenting the past year next December.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 1:06:48 PM   
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Personally I think submissiveness or Dominance is in the make-up of a person.  You are or you're not.  Some things can be learned but they would more likely be of a "little details" nature.  I don't find Dominants more intelligent than vanilla guys necessarily, maybe a little more outspoken.  I don't find submissives more intelligent than vanilla women, but maybe a little more self-aware.  I went looking for intellectual and intelligent only because I feel that I am and I want someone to be able to talk and connect on many levels.  Y'all can't play 24 hours a day no matter how much ya may want to...whaddya gonna do the other 22?

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 1:16:08 PM   
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Since I have not participated on any other type of a forum...My opinions are limited to what transpires out here.

On the whole I rather agree with CuriousLord...

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CuriousLord
The average individual here is not very intelligent, contrary to what seems to be the impression of some.  This sort of topic is among the more commonly posted threads on CM.

This is the net.  It's a forum.  Yeah, people who are here likely have a few more brain cells to rub together than those who can't operate computers, are too ADD to find interest in a message board, or are otherwise disinclined to use a discussion board in favor of less stimulating activities (such as getting drunk at bars instead).

There's the common argument that BDSM is more complex than vanilla, so this would correlate to more intelligent practitioners.  Meh.  It's really not that hard.. just a couple ropes or so. 

But it should be pointed out that many of those who are so interested in BDSM as to post here have it as a main point in their life.  Even if more intelligent people are more prone to this lifestyle, they're not here; they're doing more intelligent things, such as, well, you know.. science, largely?

Still, many here have a basic grasp of lenguistics and some can actively contribute some intellectual end, so it's not all bad.  Just not to be overestimated.


Take this a step further...The unemployment rate nationally hovers around 4.7%...I would hate to think what it is out here.

Far too many seem fixated on this lone aspect of their being (bdsm)....Doesn't strike me as an intelligent approach to life.

It seems that there are far more people out here who seem to be dealing with serious illness as well as mental health issues at a far more rampant rate then you would find in the general population at large.

I see posts started by people who in the past have acknowledged that they don't consider "death" as a limit...Then start threads on the virtues and the benefits of joining in on the bdsm community. If this is what the community aspires towards....No thank you!!....  How fucking whacked can you be?

I find overall intelligence out here to be incredibly lacking.

If you are extremely attractive please disregard all above comments if they apply to your situation.



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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 1:16:11 PM   
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It's tragically ironic that I actually had to state my preference towards the more intellectual individual due to the fact that I have almost gone blind trying to cipher and decode some of the e-mails that I have received here.  It takes every facet of the human spectrum to design any type of faith, credo, race, sentiment or lifestyle, and BDSM has just as many successes as failures, winners as defeated, intellectuals as idiots. 


i often start out posts like this with "i hate to be picky"....but i'm going to jump right into my monkey suit and go to town on this little nit....the word you were trying for is decipher, unless you meant to go in a circle of coding and decoding those emails, in which case, no wonder you have almost gone blind....and to use the phrase "decipher and decode" is redundant because the first definition of decipher is "decode" and the second definition of decode is "decipher" (according to Mirram-Webster online, a reputable source, i believe)....but since you were so smart you would have known that....right?

lesson learned: be careful when you are bashing people...even it is just in general

oh and note: i don't give a flying fuck about my capitalization and my punctuation so you can't bash me on that...people have tried and tried again, it just gets my eyeballs a-rolling...


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 1:18:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ryugen

I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums



Over all I would vote for lower iq from those I have met.  Higher egocentricities maybe and a channel to express it.


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 1:34:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

It seems to me that folks with high IQs have a tendency to be more outside the box generally speaking, which may explain why it seems like so many really intelligent people end up in BDSM lifestyles. I once a read a research study that concluded that the higher a level of a woman's education, the more likely she was to be kinky and sexually adventurous. Boys take note: go after the PhDs!

That said, you only need to browse through the profiles here on CM to realize there are plenty of illiterate idiots in the lifestyle too!

Last but not least, I have to know. . .Ryugen, do you have six fingers?


I disagree vehemently with the assertion that intelligent people think outside the box. Intelligence is a very hard characteristic to quantify because it has so many facets. One might argue that physical prowess is a form of intelligence. A professional athlete might be smarter than Einstein in this respect. If we are talking about raw cognitive power (the ability to process information), then I would assert that more "intelligent" folks end up unable to think outside the box. Imagine a research scientist who has spent the majority of his life in the lab testing hypothesis regarding CO2 fixation in microorganisms. He might have a hard time discussing topics that diverge greatly from his field of study. This person, certainly, would not be considered to be an "outside-of-the-box" thinker. Being in an academic social setting has led me to believe that those who are genius in their fields tend to be more narrow minded than one would suspect.

As to the OP. I am unaware of any study linking intelligence to kink, so what I have to say is based on opinion and experience.

I will start by pointing out a different correlation: one between intelligence and depression. I have spoken with several experts in the psychology field and they all have mentioned at one point or another that they have observed a marked correlation between intelligence and depression. Their reasoning for such a correlation varies, but it is an interesting observation and one that was arrived at by each person independently.

So, what does this have to do with kink and BDSM? Well, if there is a correlation between a psychological state such as depression and intelligence, then there certainly could be one between kink and intelligence. I have noticed that, disproportionately, there is a greater number of intelligent people on this forum. I would think it grossly unwise to conclude that since this observation is true, that the BDSM community as a whole is more intelligent. The number of intelligent persons on this forum may be a pure coincidence. I find it more likely that those who have chosen to post here have come out a desire for knowledge and to grow as a person. This is a mindset that is not too common among the unintelligent. As such, these forums have attracted a populace that is disproportionately intelligent.

Check out this post: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1475200/tm.htm. I started it and feel there has been some interesting additions to it. I think you might find some answers regarding the biological basis of BDSM imprinting there.

As aways, I welcome further discourse via the forums or PM.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:06:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Personally, one of my reasons for preferring M/s to vanilla is simply because it's so easy and haste free!  No arguments or long compromises, figuring out what to do or having to come to agreements.. it's "Do this" and "Yes, Master"; provided my decisions are suitable, what could be easier?





That's scary, and sad, if that's true.  But I can bask in the certainty that i have more "intelligence" than to be this person's M or s.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:13:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ryugen

I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level

 
First you need to define, "intelligence" and then compare different types of intelligence;
emotional, mechanical, spatial, etc.
 
(I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)?
 
Spend more time around the technically brilliant but socially inept crowd.
 
Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums

Hey, really young humans with little if any training also use the Internet and post
on various sites.
 

Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt?

Part of our nature is hard-wired into our psyche; our environment and experiences
determine how we develop our personalities.

For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? As for both questions, do you think there is a prerequisite in your DNA for the learning of any of those roles? And if there is, does that mean it's built into the DNA to begin with anyway? (We could also apply these questions to a vanilla preference as well).

No

Do you think that a certain amount of life experience is a prerequisite for a preference towards BDSM (again, any of its aspects)?

No

 

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:18:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ryugen

So, I've been thinking. While browsing the many posts on this forum it seems that everyone here is pretty smart and pretty on the ball when it comes to life.


The other 95% tend to get weeded out with a mass feeding frenzy of public flames as they make one post and then leave the forums with their tails between their legs.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:24:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather
quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied
I'm almost mensa now...

Yeah well you know what they say about "almost".
Talk to me when you've got the card all laminated up and ready for use.


Pre-mensa, peri-mensa or post-mensa-pausle???

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:27:56 PM   
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quote:

Pre-mensa, peri-mensa or post-mensa-pausle???


meta-mensa


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:29:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

The average individual here is not very intelligent, contrary to what seems to be the impression of some.  This sort of topic is among the more commonly posted threads on CM.

This is the net.  It's a forum.  Yeah, people who are here likely have a few more brain cells to rub together than those who can't operate computers, are too ADD to find interest in a message board, or are otherwise disinclined to use a discussion board in favor of less stimulating activities (such as getting drunk at bars instead).

There's the common argument that BDSM is more complex than vanilla, so this would correlate to more intelligent practitioners.  Meh.  It's really not that hard.. just a couple ropes or so.  Personally, one of my reasons for preferring M/s to vanilla is simply because it's so easy and haste free!  No arguments or long compromises, figuring out what to do or having to come to agreements.. it's "Do this" and "Yes, Master"; provided my decisions are suitable, what could be easier?

But it should be pointed out that many of those who are so interested in BDSM as to post here have it as a main point in their life.  Even if more intelligent people are more prone to this lifestyle, they're not here; they're doing more intelligent things, such as, well, you know.. science, largely?

Still, many here have a basic grasp of lenguistics and some can actively contribute some intellectual end, so it's not all bad.  Just not to be overestimated.


With all due respect to your advanced age, may I just say that you are full of crap?

Neither you or anyone else can possibly know the brain power of anyone posting on the forum or of anyone into BDSM. You are making generalizations based on your limited time here between going to your next class.

Next: you think BDSM is not as complex as vanilla; you think it's just a few ropes; fine for you, but for others, it is the psychological nuances of such power exchange and the awareness of how to choreagraph the dance that makes it a bit more complex than SOME vanilla relationships, not ALL, just some.

Next: you say that many who are so into BDSM as to post here have it as the MAIN thing in their lives, as opposed to more intelligent folks who are equally interested in BDSM but do more productive things like "science". Oh, you mean like what YOU are studying in school, junior?

I would venture to say that again, you have no idea what type of lives or how fulfilling those lives might be and again, have thrown out the net of generalizations.

It is ignorant of you to make these statements, but then again, I always note the source.

Oh, by the way, for the purposes of this thread, the word is spelled Linguistics.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:37:28 PM   
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Intelligence quota is subjective and dependant on a persons combined experiences and education. The ability to have intellectual discourse is a different thing altogether. when I first encountered the lifestyle I too thought you would need a 'higher intellectual ability' to deal with the many issues that abound in living the lifestyle as many concepts require an ability to think laterally. Well it did for me anyway.

The only analogy I can draw at present is that when I worked as an emergency nurse it seemed that every second person I met had cardiovascular disease, or infections or was bitten by a snake, in the wider community the numbers I saw was just a piss in the ocean. I think the same can be seen here. We see many people able to string a line of intelligent thought and sentences together, but this is merely a concentration of like minded people, we recognise what they are saying because we have had thought in the same vein ourselves, on either side of the argument.

I have seen some very limited thinking here and all 'isms' have been expounded at some point. I don't consider myself superior to anyone, I just think differently to some and hold opposing viewpoints to others. Each person has their validity and rights. Although I have to admit to blocking a few as a result of either their extremely narrow thinking, their inability to form readable sentences or an arrogance that makes my toes curl, in a not too pleasant way. Yet, I enjoy having differing perspectives bought to my attention, it helps me to see other facets of a topic I may have not considered.

No, I personally think this lifestyle does not have a excess of intelligent people, it's just that they have an ability to think outside the square.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 6:40:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

Pre-mensa, peri-mensa or post-mensa-pausle???


meta-mensa



I meta mensa once.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/18/2007 7:27:13 PM   
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Yes to the first- even though I started in high school. (1990's) Before the internet and collarme.
 
Yes to the second, third, and to the fourth- depends on what you experience in life!

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 6:52:50 AM   
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"I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums "
 
I have noticed this also. I went to a highly regarded engineering school where you have to be a valedictorian to enter and most of the women I went out with there had a high preference to BDSM.  Matter of fact it was there that I was introduced to BDSM. Having said that: I prefer and look for female submissives or slaves that are intelligent, educated and carry themselves well in any situation.
 
"Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt?"

The majority of studies done on this matter confirm that dominace is built into peoples DNA
 

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 7:15:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

The average individual here is not very intelligent, contrary to what seems to be the impression of some.  This sort of topic is among the more commonly posted threads on CM.

This is the net.  It's a forum.  Yeah, people who are here likely have a few more brain cells to rub together than those who can't operate computers, are too ADD to find interest in a message board, or are otherwise disinclined to use a discussion board in favor of less stimulating activities (such as getting drunk at bars instead).

There's the common argument that BDSM is more complex than vanilla, so this would correlate to more intelligent practitioners.  Meh.  It's really not that hard.. just a couple ropes or so.  Personally, one of my reasons for preferring M/s to vanilla is simply because it's so easy and haste free!  No arguments or long compromises, figuring out what to do or having to come to agreements.. it's "Do this" and "Yes, Master"; provided my decisions are suitable, what could be easier?

But it should be pointed out that many of those who are so interested in BDSM as to post here have it as a main point in their life.  Even if more intelligent people are more prone to this lifestyle, they're not here; they're doing more intelligent things, such as, well, you know.. science, largely?

Still, many here have a basic grasp of lenguistics and some can actively contribute some intellectual end, so it's not all bad.  Just not to be overestimated.


With all due respect to your advanced age, may I just say that you are full of crap?

Neither you or anyone else can possibly know the brain power of anyone posting on the forum or of anyone into BDSM. You are making generalizations based on your limited time here between going to your next class.

Next: you think BDSM is not as complex as vanilla; you think it's just a few ropes; fine for you, but for others, it is the psychological nuances of such power exchange and the awareness of how to choreagraph the dance that makes it a bit more complex than SOME vanilla relationships, not ALL, just some.

Next: you say that many who are so into BDSM as to post here have it as the MAIN thing in their lives, as opposed to more intelligent folks who are equally interested in BDSM but do more productive things like "science". Oh, you mean like what YOU are studying in school, junior?

I would venture to say that again, you have no idea what type of lives or how fulfilling those lives might be and again, have thrown out the net of generalizations.

It is ignorant of you to make these statements, but then again, I always note the source.

Oh, by the way, for the purposes of this thread, the word is spelled Linguistics.


hey now...you could have insulted him quite satisfactorily without all the age insults...and i agree, he was quite full of shit...but, unlike you suggested, i do not believe it was due to his age, i believe it was due to him getting bigger than his britches and that can be done at any age....


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 7:25:41 AM   
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"With all due respect to your advanced age, may I just say that you are full of crap?LOL SEXYRED1. 
I agree with you Sexyred!.
 
CuriousLord post is all generalities. The complexity of the life style, psychological nuances requires intelligence.  It also depends the kind of partner you are looking for. I think you get what you are looking for in a relationship CuriousLord! If you want them dumb you get them dumb! on the other hand I look for female submissives or slaves that are intelligent and educated. To each its own. The lifestyle is part of your overall life not instead of your life.

"Domiguy: Take this a step further...The unemployment rate nationally hovers around 4.7%...I would hate to think what it is out here."

I take that bet any day! The people I hang with in the lifestyle and work with are employed in high paying jobs and earn way above the national average . Same here by the way.
 

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