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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 11:54:20 AM   
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I have friends who are wicked smart and never got past high school.  I also know people who are Ph.D.'s and dumb as dirt.  Mainstream education doesn't show much except for "academic talent," which is a skill that doesn't impress me, on its own.

I have met famous people in a variety of disciplines, including BDSM.  (pun sorta intended there...)  They all spoke with awe and respect for their subject matter, and a humility about their own limitations toward understanding something so much larger and more complicated than they were.  By contrast, second-rate researchers and, ah, some undergraduates, tend to talk as though they understand everything, period the end.

I do believe things like the ability to work hard, to focus on the same project for long hours, to concentrate on what is important and not stress about the unimportant, translate into being a "better" BDSM'er, just as they tend to provide success in almost anything else in life.  Someone good at one thing tends to be good at other things too.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 11:58:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

The average individual here is not very intelligent, contrary to what seems to be the impression of some.  This sort of topic is among the more commonly posted threads on CM.

This is the net.  It's a forum.  Yeah, people who are here likely have a few more brain cells to rub together than those who can't operate computers, are too ADD to find interest in a message board, or are otherwise disinclined to use a discussion board in favor of less stimulating activities (such as getting drunk at bars instead).

There's the common argument that BDSM is more complex than vanilla, so this would correlate to more intelligent practitioners.  Meh.  It's really not that hard.. just a couple ropes or so.  Personally, one of my reasons for preferring M/s to vanilla is simply because it's so easy and haste free!  No arguments or long compromises, figuring out what to do or having to come to agreements.. it's "Do this" and "Yes, Master"; provided my decisions are suitable, what could be easier?

But it should be pointed out that many of those who are so interested in BDSM as to post here have it as a main point in their life.  Even if more intelligent people are more prone to this lifestyle, they're not here; they're doing more intelligent things, such as, well, you know.. science, largely?

Still, many here have a basic grasp of lenguistics and some can actively contribute some intellectual end, so it's not all bad.  Just not to be overestimated.


With all due respect to your advanced age, may I just say that you are full of crap?

Neither you or anyone else can possibly know the brain power of anyone posting on the forum or of anyone into BDSM. You are making generalizations based on your limited time here between going to your next class.

Next: you think BDSM is not as complex as vanilla; you think it's just a few ropes; fine for you, but for others, it is the psychological nuances of such power exchange and the awareness of how to choreagraph the dance that makes it a bit more complex than SOME vanilla relationships, not ALL, just some.

Next: you say that many who are so into BDSM as to post here have it as the MAIN thing in their lives, as opposed to more intelligent folks who are equally interested in BDSM but do more productive things like "science". Oh, you mean like what YOU are studying in school, junior?

I would venture to say that again, you have no idea what type of lives or how fulfilling those lives might be and again, have thrown out the net of generalizations.

It is ignorant of you to make these statements, but then again, I always note the source.

Oh, by the way, for the purposes of this thread, the word is spelled Linguistics.


hey now...you could have insulted him quite satisfactorily without all the age insults...and i agree, he was quite full of shit...but, unlike you suggested, i do not believe it was due to his age, i believe it was due to him getting bigger than his britches and that can be done at any age....



you know what? You are entirely right, I stand corrected. It is not about age, it is about you express yourself. thanks, chelle.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 12:09:43 PM   
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RedMajic (sic) expresses himself so eloquently. His message is  on target.

So the mystery in life is " How does one know which category to place the individuals in.

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 12:29:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IcheLiebeBondage

RedMajic (sic) expresses himself so eloquently. His message is  on target.

So the mystery in life is " How does one know which category to place the individuals in.


Thank you; you are very kind.

Inspired by the Ph.D. thread going on right now, I'll try to answer your question using examples from math & science talks I've attended. 

At the end of the presentation, there's a question period.  Often, someone will ask a question like, "Don't you think if you do this, this and this, add the thing you just presented, then you might end up with that?"  The only real answer to this question is, "Maybe," and its purpose is to show the group that the questioner is smart.  It is called a "selfish question" in the trade.  Usually the person who asks it is a graduate student or an assistant professor.

Sometimes, though, someone asks, "I'm really sorry, I'm sure you covered this already and everyone already understands this but me, but could you please explain the X thing to me again?"  The person asking this question is almost always super-good.

This exact dynamic comes up again and again in CollarMe threads, when people think it's undomly to accept criticism, or unsubbly to point things out.  People who are secure in themselves are willing to learn and grow, not just defend where they are right now this second.

What is more important to you: your curiosity or your ego?

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 1:59:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty
i agree, he was quite full of shit...


So what are you trying to say?

That CuriousLord, our resident genius with all the answers/true Master with the most submissive and slaviest of slaves/sexual master with sexual telopathic powers/bondage expert/babe magnet/real true TPER that is far greater than all us BDSM losers (All of this and not able to legally drink, of course)....

...is full of shit?

No way!


No way!

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 2:26:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty
i agree, he was quite full of shit...


So what are you trying to say?

That CuriousLord, our resident genius with all the answers/true Master with the most submissive and slaviest of slaves/sexual master with sexual telopathic powers/bondage expert/babe magnet/real true TPER that is far greater than all us BDSM losers (All of this and not able to legally drink, of course)....

...is full of shit?

No way!


No way!


sacralidge, you say?! i know...Dom's usually don't get to that point before 40 and their hair line starts moving down their back....


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 2:52:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty
i agree, he was quite full of shit...


So what are you trying to say?

That CuriousLord, our resident genius with all the answers/true Master with the most submissive and slaviest of slaves/sexual master with sexual telopathic powers/bondage expert/babe magnet/real true TPER that is far greater than all us BDSM losers (All of this and not able to legally drink, of course)....

...is full of shit?

No way!


No way!


sacralidge, you say?! i know...Dom's usually don't get to that point before 40 and their hair line starts moving down their back....


Telepathy at age 40 would be awesome  You could use that ability for great leverage in years to come to get your grandchildren exactly what they wanted and be the most awesome grandparent of all time. Mind you, it was stated that the powers were sexual >> so that might be a different story
 
And what's with the hate on this thread anyway? Yeesh. Let it die already, I'm not interested in this discussion anymore and it's strayed very far from its original topic >.< (and I know I'm not helping letting it die by posting on it, thank you Captain Obvious and Boy Blunt )

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 3:34:14 PM   
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As I pointed out to both my children who referred to people as stupid, never confuse ignorant, obtuse, or stupid.

Ignorance can be cured.

Obtuse doesnt want to be cured.

Stupid cannot be cured.

Sinergy


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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 6:37:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


As I pointed out to both my children who referred to people as stupid, never confuse ignorant, obtuse, or stupid.

Ignorance can be cured.

Obtuse doesnt want to be cured.

Stupid cannot be cured.

Sinergy



And none of the above is mutually exclusive. It is entirely possible to be ignorant, obtuse, and stupid all at the same time

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RE: Prerequisite Intelligence - 12/19/2007 8:15:27 PM   
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My, My, My!!!  I feel like I am suddenly in my General Psych class in college all over again or at Thanksgiving dinner with my biology professor uncle.  Nature vs. Nurture?  No...More like Potential vs. Opportunity.  I have my feet in both waters on the subject and have for some time.  As an example, there has been a genetic link found to alcoholism, but the mechanism is not triggered until after the person has overindulged one or more times.  The opportunity to do so is more prevalent in households where parents are alchoholics, so it stands to reason that many children of alcoholics will find this vice crippling to them as well.  The choice to drink was on the front end and still under the control of the person with the predisposition and, also discovered, if it is deprived long enough the trigger becomes inactive once again.  This predispostion can exist in others, but is less likely to be expressed due to lack of opportunity.  This same phenomenon is observable in positive aspects as well.  The hard wired skier that lives his or her entire life in Nebraska will likely never discover this piece of DNA gold.  This begins to show the need for living life instead of observing and critiquing it (perhaps I should go take my own advice?).  Who knows what one is capable of unless one tries.  Who knows what may become a thorn in the flesh until it is too late?  Making choices wisely and living intentionally is the key to the whole debate in my mind.  Only my opinion, so please do not tar and feather me for it.

As for the intelligence question...I have to also ask for clarification as to what definition of intelligence one is using.  It makes all the difference.  Albert Einstein was known for going out in the rain and walking for hours with no coat or umbrella and suffering many illness because of it.  Was he intelligent?  Of course, in one manner of speaking (many actually), but deficient in other areas of life.  He was a fallible human being.  This community is as well.  There are the babbling idiots (or perhaps I do not understand their extremely advanced thinking???) and those with whom I find kindred spirits.  I consider the person I seek to be an intelligent one, but it does not necessarily mean he or she is, just that the person is intelligent to me.  I find intellectual stimulation, though not as much as I'd like, here.  I find concepts and discussions of any variety worthy of my time. I guess I have managed to make this discussion clear as mud.  You are very welcome!! 

Warm wishes,
lovingpet  

P.S.:  Please do not necessarily write a person off for grammatical, punctuation, spelling, or other writing errors.  Many wonderful and brilliant minds have come with the baggage of learning disabilities and mental illnesses and were thrown away just as promptly as we are tempted to do here in their time.  I have a learning disability myself and have worked with those with special needs in one capacity or another most of my short life and am a strong advocate for them.  Submitted with all due respect and honor to all fellow community members. 

< Message edited by lovingpet -- 12/19/2007 8:23:08 PM >

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