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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 8:43:11 PM

MasterofScyn

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To me being owned means few things. To me there isn't much of a difference between slave /property. Back in the kings ages, a slave was the kings property.. if it had his mark somewhere, it was his and he owned it. I don't see how it would be any different in this day in age in that aspect.

1 ~ It actually makes me feel like I belong to someone, that I'm actually cherished and wanted. I'm him prize possesion and he lets the whole world know it. And it makes me proud to be in his possesion.

2 ~ For once I don't have to answer to anyone else, one look from M'Lord and other people know I belong to him. He has told me numerous of times that he notices how many guys stare at me. Till of course they notice him glaring back at them. If someone was to try and talk to me, all I have to do is walk away and go to the one I belong to. He lets people know I am his property. It's almost like having someone trespass on his land and he has a rifle ready in hand.

3 ~ We don't have a daddy/daughter relationship. In all out honesty, don't think I could ever get into the mindset of calling him Daddy. But I call him Master or M'Lord and I am owned by him, he tells me all the time that I am his property. He uses it interchangably as well between Slave and property. Though I love it when he calls me his pet. We don't do animal play, but I just like the term pet better. I guess being owned can be in that sense as well, it's the same way you own your pets, no one can take them away from you, you control everything they do and how they are treated so and so forth.

Overall I like the thought that someone cares.... Loves me enough and wants to be with me enough to consider me as their property. To sit there and whisper in my ear that He owns me, I am his and no one else can have me. It just simply makes me have feelings I never thought I would have. Makes me love him more each time he tells me I'm his property.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 8:52:33 PM

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if i were to ask Daddy....he'd say i was his slave, and his lil one, and his eternal property, his queen, his beloved, his most treasured possesion, and that he loves me.

that's good enough for me.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 9:04:13 PM

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I think for some, one of the aspects of being property is that it takes away the consideration of consent. You don't ask your car if you can take it for a drive. For them, perhaps, it increases their depth of submission.

I feel the exact opposite. I am owned but not in the property sense, but in the I belong to sense, that's why I am called a pet. I belong to my owner in the same way a pet would. That doesn't give him blanket consent to do anything he wants to... if you neglect and mistreat a pet it can turn on you. As will I. My submission is deepened because we both recognize my rights, and still I obey. It's like every time he gives me an order he is saying "I know you can choose not to, but I want you to do as I ask", and in turn I am saying "My choice is to obey, because I am loyal and I love you and I wish to please you". I think its a very different submissive mindset to obeying and submitting because you do not feel you have the right to say no.

Remember this is my opinion, YMMV.... and I don't think I am going to do a good job of explaining this.... it's like there is a line drawn in the sand. He approaches my line and asks to cross it, I say yes, I submit. If I have no line, no boundaries, what part of me is there left to submit? What part of me is there left for him to explore. It doesn't manifest for us as a power struggle or a challenge, I don't stand at my line in the sand until he conquers me. It's a gentle recognition of my boundaries from us both, but him seeing that line and then asking me to blur it or erase it, that's an active act of domination and submission.... whereas giving blanket consent feels to me like passive submission? Just my thoughts about my relationship, it's not a judgement on anyone elses.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 9:21:24 PM

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That's kind of my way of thinking, I just couldn't think of how to say it like you did... That's kind of where I was going when I mentioned it's the same as owning a pet. He calls me his pet all the time, among other various titles. In the end, that's pretty much where my mindset comes from. He treats me well like he would an actual pet and I don't have reason to stray or bite the hand that feeds me. (Though I do sometimes when I'm playful)

Scyn ~

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I belong to my owner in the same way a pet would. That doesn't give him blanket consent to do anything he wants to... if you neglect and mistreat a pet it can turn on you. As will I. My submission is deepened because we both recognize my rights, and still I obey. It's like every time he gives me an order he is saying "I know you can choose not to, but I want you to do as I ask", and in turn I am saying "My choice is to obey, because I am loyal and I love you and I wish to please you". I think its a very different submissive mindset to obeying and submitting because you do not feel you have the right to say no.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/18/2007 10:08:17 PM

juliaoceania

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So what does being property mean to you?

It is a term that some people use to describe the structure of their relationship I suppose... there is an element of dehumanization in it for me, which is why I do not think of the term a lot in regard to our relationship... although there is something hot to the sound of it when he has referred to me as "his possession" in the past.

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What is the difference between an Owner and say a Daddy, Master etc ? (to you)
What is the difference between slave, sub and property? (to you)

I've written about the difference before...

I feel that having a Daddy is more intimate (to me) than having a master. I feel as though if a person calls themselves my "master" they are putting themselves so far above me to keep a barrier there, and I do not want that in a relationship that is intimate.

The term property means very little to me, just like the rest of the terms mean little to me.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 4:24:30 AM

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Hi cherry
I had a similar thought when I was reading said thread earlier. But mine was more along the lines that there have been more and more threads discussing the merits of property and I am pretty sure it's one of those shifts you get every now and then and would think that this time next year, we all will be seeing threads asking the difference between the three and those saying one is more owned and one isn't and one has rights and blablablah - and in turn more sardonic responses.

Which is rather sad and disheartening really.

It's simply another label that places someone in the right head space and feeling comfortable in their own skin. And labels are helpful at times, but they do cause segregation when people start seeing something better than something else.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 11:27:50 AM

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slavegirljoy you could be the poster girl for CM. You have a relationship which most in here seek.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 11:37:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

slavegirljoy you could be the poster girl for CM. You have a relationship which most in here seek.

I would not say "most". You cannot possibly generalize on the types of relationships that "most" here are seeking. What you mean to say, is that she has a relationship that YOU yourself are seeking, that would be more accurate.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 11:44:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

slavegirljoy you could be the poster girl for CM. You have a relationship which most in here seek.

I would not say "most". You cannot possibly generalize on the types of relationships that "most" here are seeking. What you mean to say, is that she has a relationship that YOU yourself are seeking, that would be more accurate.

I agree with red here. I don't see how anyone can speak for most Dnomyer. I think joy rocks, but I wouldn't want the kind of relationship she is in and I am in a relationship that is suitable for Darcy.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 11:50:26 AM

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just to clarify; I, too, think joy rocks, lest anyone think I was being bitchy. I am not commenting on her relationship, happy for her in fact. but we are not all alike as subs/slaves or even Doms/Masters in what we desire in a relationships.

I just am a bit over all the generalizations that abound around here lately.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 11:53:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

slavegirljoy you could be the poster girl for CM. You have a relationship which most in here seek.

I would not say "most". You cannot possibly generalize on the types of relationships that "most" here are seeking. What you mean to say, is that she has a relationship that YOU yourself are seeking, that would be more accurate.

I agree with red here. I don't see how anyone can speak for most Dnomyer. I think joy rocks, but I wouldn't want the kind of relationship she is in and I am in a relationship that is suitable for Darcy.

the.dark.

Agreed, slavegirljoy does rock, however, I also don't seek that type of dynamic and it would not be suitable for me.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 12:28:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LittleWench

I feel the exact opposite. I am owned but not in the property sense, but in the I belong to sense,

This statement i can relate to for sure. It is the belonging to him feeling, the being owned by him, knowing i am his possession....but i don't exactly feel like what in my head, would be property...but then again, i guess i ultimately am that as well as other things.

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ORIGINAL: LittleWench
If I have no line, no boundaries, what part of me is there left to submit? What part of me is there left for him to explore. It doesn't manifest for us as a power struggle or a challenge, I don't stand at my line in the sand until he conquers me. It's a gentle recognition of my boundaries from us both, but him seeing that line and then asking me to blur it or erase it, that's an active act of domination and submission.... whereas giving blanket consent feels to me like passive submission? Just my thoughts about my relationship, it's not a judgement on anyone elses.

This is interesting to me, your thoughts on this. i don't particularly agree in my thoughts, but interesting none the less.....

i have given consent, blanket as you call it and yet i am not forced, i am not always passively submissive. Basically, my promise to him was to submit, once i gave my consent and when i am pushed to do something, or presented with something, i submit, actively...i could opt out, and if i did that enough times we would have some serious issues. Each time i choose to submit to his wishes it is me standing by my word and promise.

Just a different POV on that

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 1:52:58 PM

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Greetings Cherry,

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i have given consent, blanket as you call it and yet i am not forced, i am not always passively submissive. Basically, my promise to him was to submit, once i gave my consent and when i am pushed to do something, or presented with something, i submit, actively...i could opt out, and if i did that enough times we would have some serious issues. Each time i choose to submit to his wishes it is me standing by my word and promise.

I think aspects of that are very similar to what I was trying to describe, we both still see the ability to opt out. The dynamic that I see as being vastly different is the classic no rights slave where the slave doesn't have that internal dialogue that you described above "I could opt out".

To Dynomar, as much as I admire slavegirljoy and think she has awesome cleavage and a good head on her shoulders, I would die in her relationship, die a million times every day. I think it is apparent that is the type of relationship you seek, that's fantastic. CM has been my greatest exposure to BDSM over the past few years. It has taken me a long time to be ok with the fact that I don't want to be a no rights slave. Doms and slaves alike over the past two years have said you aren't a real submissive unless you are a slave, and posts come up all the time that regularly reinforce that point of view. That isn't true it all, it just means I am not the right submissive for them, nor they the right Dominant for me.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 7:55:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: LittleWench

To Dynomar, as much as I admire slavegirljoy and think she has awesome cleavage and a good head on her shoulders,

Now i'm blushing, LittleWench but, thank you for the compliments.

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I would die in her relationship, die a million times every day.

Just as i have said before and will continue to say, no two relationships are, or should be, the same, because no two people are the same. In fact, no two of my several relationships, over the years, have ever been the same, partly, because the men were all different and partly, because i was different. Each new year, each new experience, each new relationship changed me in some way. So, the relationship i have today, with my Master is completely different than the relationship i had 30 years ago, with my first Dominant partner. Just as LittleWench said that she would die in the type of 24/7 TPE relationship that i have with my Master, i was dying in all of my previous relationships because they didn't allow me to be completely me. And, in all honesty, if it weren't for the fact that i was able to find 'the right Master' for me, who makes it possible for me to be myself and to have this type of relationship, i probably would be dying in this relationship, too.

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Doms and slaves alike over the past two years have said you aren't a real submissive unless you are a slave, and posts come up all the time that regularly reinforce that point of view.

Nothing gets my blood boiling faster than to read that sort of statement. To me, it's similar to someone calling my prosthesis a "fake leg". Believe me, it is every bit as real as my flesh and blood leg is. It's just different and, in some ways better than my, so called, "real leg". But, if it wasn't "real", i would have a very hard time walking on it. The truth is, we are all different and we are all real, in our own and unique way. There's no standard mold for 'the perfect' slave or sub or Dom, etc. If there was, i would be the first to break it. If i can't be myself, with all my idiosyncrasies, in my relationship, then it's not worth it, to me and, i would rather be alone. There's no way i'm going to live my life in some cookie-cutter fashion or, trying to be something i'm not. The only "real" that matters to me is what's "real" for me. i don't live my life by anyone else's idea of "real".

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That isn't true it all, it just means I am not the right submissive for them, nor they the right Dominant for me.

When two (or more) people find each other, who fit well with each other and who bring out the best in each other and who make their lives better together than they were on their own, to me, that's spectacular and it thrills me whenever i hear of that happening. slave joyOwned property of Master David

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 8:05:40 PM

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slavegirljoy....you totally rock, i adore your energy.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 8:17:50 PM

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Thank you, cherry.

You seem to be doing well in the energy department, yourself. The threads you initiate are always thought-provoking and generate a lively discussion.

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slavegirljoy....you totally rock, i adore your energy.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/19/2007 8:23:08 PM

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Nothing gets my blood boiling faster than to read that sort of statement. To me, it's similar to someone calling my prosthesis a "fake leg". Believe me, it is every bit as real as my flesh and blood leg is. It's just different and, in some ways better than my, so called, "real leg". But, if it wasn't "real", i would have a very hard time walking on it.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/20/2007 6:37:17 AM

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I think all of you rock!

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/20/2007 11:14:33 AM

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For me, I am many things to Mistress. Being Her property is just one of the things that I am to Her. Being "property" is a state of mind in which both the dominant and submissive need to feel for it to be truly effective. A sub can feel like property, but if the dominant doesn't view the submissive as such, the dynamic is not completely there. Mistress views me as more than just property, but the basis of our relationship is me being Her property. She allows me to have some liberties, but I must accept the fact Her word is law and Her decision is final. Part of being property is serving a purpose like being an object to seal in rubber for as long as She wishes, something to tie up and use for hours on end, or being a toy to be fucked mercilessly until She is satisfied. Property also serves the purpose of moving furniture, cleaning the house, cooking Her dinner, bathing Her, or just being Her footstool as She lounges on the sofa watching "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" on TV. Such is the existence of being property. It is whatever She wants or needs me to be.

The difference between Owner and Mistress is just context. An owner is someone who owns property. Mistress is a title given to said owner. The title Mistress is the same as being called Ma'am, Goddess, M'lady, Your Highness, and so on, but such titles carry different meanings to different people. It's all a matter of preference.

To me, a submissive is someone who submits to a certain level or condition. It is a very generic term. When I played with someone who I wasn't collared to, I was that person's submissive for the night. I chose to serve her within a certain set of parameters and conditions. After the conditions were met, we went back to just being good friends, neither dominant or submissive. In other words, a submissive is someone who submits with just mind and body.

A slave is someone who reaches a higher level of submission, usually through collaring or other forms of formal ownership. Being a slave is a great commitment. They are the ones who give up as much freedom as humanly possible to the one they wish to serve. They accept their dominant's word as law and obey with no questions asked. They exist for that person and their happiness is drawn from the dominant's pleasure. But being a slave doesn't mean one doesn't have feelings, emotions, their own opinions, or the ability to think. Usually, slaves are very strong individuals who are more than capable of taking care of themselves, but choose to reliquish control to a dominant authority. It takes a very special kind of person to reach that level of submission. To me, a slave submits with mind, body, heart, and soul. I do my very best to be the best slave I can be for Mistress.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/20/2007 2:32:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rubberpet
A slave is someone who reaches a higher level of submission, usually through collaring or other forms of formal ownership. Being a slave is a great commitment. They are the ones who give up as much freedom as humanly possible to the one they wish to serve. They accept their dominant's word as law and obey with no questions asked. They exist for that person and their happiness is drawn from the dominant's pleasure. But being a slave doesn't mean one doesn't have feelings, emotions, their own opinions, or the ability to think. Usually, slaves are very strong individuals who are more than capable of taking care of themselves, but choose to reliquish control to a dominant authority. It takes a very special kind of person to reach that level of submission. To me, a slave submits with mind, body, heart, and soul. I do my very best to be the best slave I can be for Mistress.

Rubberpet, I love your posts, the love you show for your Mistress continually shines through, but I cringed reading that passage.

A slave is no more special than a submissive, pet, daddy's lilgirl. It takes a different mind set to reach a level of submission where you wish to ignore even your basic human rights, it's not a better mindset. A slave is someone who reaches a different level of submission, based upon their own need to serve. A slave is someone who is getting their own needs met, just as much if not more than they are meeting the needs of their Owner/Master, so their submission cannot be placed on a higher astral plane, viewed as coming from a deeper spiritual place.

Being a wife is a great commitment. Being a mother is an even bigger one. Being in love is always a commitment. We forget, in the context of power exchange relationships, that often the bond that really ties us is not the label of slave, or Master. It's not because we have surrendered our rights to another. It's because we have surrendered our hearts to another. A submissive is every bit as capable of love and commitment as a slave, because both are equally as capable of love.

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