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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 9:59:35 AM   
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I'd have to think the main distinction relates to how objectified He makes her or how objectified she wants to be for/to Him.

If there's none of that in place, then one wouldn't really be property as much.

If that's a high quotient of the dynamic, I think it starts to approach the property label.

In other words, it's about how 'humanized' the dynamic is for the s/s.


Just like any such label though, it's pretty broad and is somewhat subjective to the partners and how THEY define those terms and labels.


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 10:03:12 AM   
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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 2:06:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		To a slave his Owners words are law. What he was previously taught was the ways a slave is to act, as well as services to provide. I think she did a marvelous job and am very excited that he’s trained in. He is a slave. He dedicates his life to me willingly…I wouldn’t have it any other way.
What makes the term “slave” special to us is that he is not one to be submissive toward just anyone, as he has stated before. For him to say that he is a slave to me mean that he has a great deal of devotion and love. In OUR relationship gaining his trust, and earning his devotion does mean that he has reached a higher level with a stronger bond. He is willing to do any of my commands and anything I ask just because of my ownership over him. I’ve had subs before, things were discussed, rules set, boundaries, etc. Subs have the power to say “no” whereas as a “slave” does their Masters or Mistress’s wishes without a second thought.
He did not mean to signify that subs, bottoms, or anyone else is less or more. He was simply stating his opinion in how OUR relationship is to him, and how he has dedicated himself to me.
The word may be a pet peeve to some people but that’s not my problem. That’s how it is in MY relationship.it’s the best feeling in the world.

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  The idea that a label makes a person more committed is a pet peeve of mine, it is as if the people who state these things are saying that vanilla people lack commitment in their relationships.. it isn't the label, it is the individual


  
If this is truly what you believe then it is pretty hypocritical to say that we are not entitled to our individualistic views. These are viewpoints from US. We’re NOT saying that it is the same way for every relationship, every person in the lifestyle, or even by saying that this is the way that you are. These are OUR viewpoints which were are entitled to have.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 2:19:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		SUBMISSIVE (also SUB, or *yuck* SUBBIE)- For the purposes of this column, a SUBMISSIVE IS:


One who derives emotional and/or erotic satisfaction from surrendering some level of control to a dominant. A submissive is often also (but not -necessarily-) a MASOCHIST.

For the purposes of this column, a SUBMISSIVE is NOT:


A doormat. A weakling. Submissive to everyone, all the time. Automatically -your- submissive, unless you have an understanding to that effect. Ten times more likely to buy magazines from an over-the-phone salesman than a non-submissive. Put on Earth for the purposes of being manhandled and/or ordered around by any goofus who takes it into their head to do so (less clothes does not mean less manners, asshole!). A person who enjoys and welcomes being harassed by said goofuses. A person who will never fight back when so harassed. A person who owes it to every loser who thinks s/he is a DOMINANT (see above) to play along with his or her idiocy.

Other names for SUBMISSIVES are (and of course, many also invent their own as they see fit):


Slave, Boy, Girl, Slaveboy, Slavegirl, Pet. Many prefer to make a distinction between SLAVE and SUBMISSIVE, according to the level of control each surrenders. When a dominant and a submissive have come to a committed arrangement (often a committed romantic relationship, but not -necessarily-) of some kind, whether formally contracted or informally agreed upon, that submissive is said to be OWNED by the dominant. Usually this also entails the dominant presenting the submissive with a COLLAR, sometimes in a ceremony called COLLARING.


from an online text book
http://towerofbabel.com/sections/erotica/submittedforyourapproval/indexofterminology/
 
google knows all
 

edited to add this was the first thing that came up when i googled bdsm definitions......and i am sure anyone can find something backing up a different defintion....but i liked this one because it said some folks this and some folks that......not a one true answer thing.

i have enjoyed reading this thread, and hate to see it side tracked because someone didnt like someone else saying "text book definition".  i think to him, it was just that, what he was taught and what he believes.......not a way for him to belittle someone with a differeent definition

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 3:21:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOn
 

edited to add this was the first thing that came up when i googled bdsm definitions......and i am sure anyone can find something backing up a different defintion....but i liked this one because it said some folks this and some folks that......not a one true answer thing.

i have enjoyed reading this thread, and hate to see it side tracked because someone didnt like someone else saying "text book definition".  i think to him, it was just that, what he was taught and what he believes.......not a way for him to belittle someone with a differeent definition


That was an interesting little link you left...alot of reading and alot of her opinions as well as some things that are mostly inarguable...thanks for leaving it

Although, i wouldn't necessarily call that a textbook (it says on the main page something about a journal for artsy types or something)...which just IS something that is an actual book...and even if it were a textbook...i would be wary because books are published all the time (gotta pay attention to what references are cited and what authorities...books are still just people's opinions in alot of cases)

i don't think rubberpet meant anything derogatory by what he said/implied but on a forum like this you kinda have to watch what you say and unfortunately CYA (cover yur ass) when it comes to what you say or someone will be offended and then flames or simple differing opionions will ensue. (sometimes not in a good or productive way)

i definitely learned a bit more than i knew about the property concept....which was why i began the thread to begin with.


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 3:25:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree on the interesting reading....i am going to google more often, you never know what will show up........i saved it to my favs to go back and read more later.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 4:20:25 PM   
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He did not mean to signify that subs, bottoms, or anyone else is less or more. He was simply stating his opinion in how OUR relationship is to him, and how he has dedicated himself to me.
The word may be a pet peeve to some people but that’s not my problem. That’s how it is in MY relationship.it’s the best feeling in the world.


The word "slave" is not a pet peeve of mine, people who think that their personal relationship is more special than other people's relationships because they use any label is my pet peeve. Although I would never identify as a "slave" because of the history in this country surrounding that term,  I more than respect how other people choose to identify and have no opinion about that. I have even went as far as to say that I can see subtle differences in some of the people who call themselves "slave" and myself, it is just hard to quantify those differences in a static definition that does not really describe the differences anyways. I also know that sometimes words fail to describe what we would like them to, and I accept that is so.

I think that you understood what I was saying though, and have choosen to misconstrue my words, which is your choice to do so, but I have been fairly consistent around here in my views on these matters and will let my posting record stand on its own... I have seen some people who self describe as slaves on here that were as fickled as the day is long. I have seen some who call themselves slaves who have consistently presented themselves in a way that I admire and respect... labels mean NOTHING to me as a result.

I find no fault in your response about how your personal relationship works, nor how you feel about the labels you use. In our relationship we have labels too, and what I call him makes me feel devoted, soft and squishy inside, and close to him... isn't that what it is all about, how we feel as individuals?

My only problem was with the entire textbook definition thing, and the "old school" thing, which if you are happy with the way he uses the English language, go you! But personally I do not appreciate someone stating they have the textbook definition for how I identify. I still think that statement was crap. I have made misstatements about things and been called on it, and if I am shown that what I have said is a misstatement, especially in how other people live their lives, I am more inclined to apologize for that these days then to argue the point... but if you are happy with how he frames his views, even when he has been shown to state something in a way that impugns the way other people live in their relationships... well, fine by me.

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 4:45:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Properties...... Yes.. Good question... They come all sizes, some are wide others are long, some are deep and others shallow... i guess they sound more like land properties then human i suspect.... OK if its human i suspect some may be short some tall some are fat and others can be skinny... Does that answer your question?? Oh forgot some can be hairy and others can be bald... Whats in there heads remain to be sought???

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 5:05:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: petpete

Properties...... Yes.. Good question... They come all sizes, some are wide others are long, some are deep and others shallow... i guess they sound more like land properties then human i suspect.... OK if its human i suspect some may be short some tall some are fat and others can be skinny... Does that answer your question?? Oh forgot some can be hairy and others can be bald... Whats in there heads remain to be sought???


Hi pete,

Somehow even though your response here was in response to slavegirljoy (in the bottom right hand cornerish area) i kinda feel that you were responding to me (could be wrong) but slavegirljoy didn't for a second seem to have any question on what property was/wasn't could/couldn't be....i however started this thread for that purpose, so i'm guessing you were talking to me in the above repsonse.

i'm going to also assume that you meant this to be funny, sort of, right?

Anyhow...other than the 'some can be short,tall,fat,skinny,hairy,balled' characteristics about property that you so kindly pointed out i have learned a few things here...a few perspectives anyway.

#1. Some people call themselves property, long to be treated as property in an objectification type way, in a way that reminds them of their place...

#2. Some people, like to feel owned, and like they belong to their SO and don't feel like property but do feel owned none the less..

#3. To some it is one of many parts of who they are, and how they identify.

#4. And then there are some to which the words do not apply at all, have no significant meaning to them or something like that.

But the characteristics you mentioned are kind of like "Hello, Capt. Obvious" (that could be said about almost any group) ...it was the less obvious that i was going for...and thankfully some well thought out responses were to be had....and some insight came, atleast to me.


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 6:57:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

people who think that their personal relationship is more special than other people's relationships because they use any label is my pet peeve.

A different perspective on this:  i think it's really nice when people think and feel and want to tell others that their personal relationship is more special than other people's relationships for whatever reason, whether it's the 'labels' they use within their relationship or because they both love to watch sunsets together while drinking champagne and listening to Barry Manilow. 
 
i think everyone should feel that they have the most wonderful relationship that has ever existed or, will ever exist.  And, since i'm not in a competition for "Most Wonderful Relationship", it doesn't bother me when someone else makes that claim.  i just say to myself, "That's really nice."  i wish everyone, who was in a personal relationship, could feel that way.  i know that's how i feel.
 
However, it does bother me when someone tries to tell someone else that their relationship isn't as special, simply because the way they define it doesn't meet their criteria or, any other reason.  i don't mind people blowing their own horn about how wonderful their relationship is but, don't deny someone else the same opportunity to say that their relationship is the most wonderful, too.  To me, that's just like telling someone that they don't have as good a marriage because it doesn't match their definition of marriage or they don't have as good a relationship with their child because they leave him/her in a day care 9 hours a day.  
 
But, i do think it would be really nice if everyone could tell everyone else, "I have the best marriage ever." or, "My kids and I have the greatest relationship, of all time."  And, i wish that everyone could be happy for each other for feeling that way.

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I have even went as far as to say that I can see subtle differences in some of the people who call themselves "slave" and myself, it is just hard to quantify those differences in a static definition that does not really describe the differences anyways. I also know that sometimes words fail to describe what we would like them to, and I accept that is so.

This is so true and can be applied just as well to "wife", "husband", "mother", "father", pretty much any name used to identity a person's role within a personal relationship.  Everyone defines for themself what it means to be a mom or a dad or a husband or a wife or a slave or a Master, etc.  And, those definitions usually change over time, as relationships change, which is why there's this never ending discussion/debate about 'defining' what a slave, sub, Master, Owner, etc. is and it always ends up the same way, with basically everyone stating their very own definition.  And, that's good, because everyone should be defining these terms for themself, as they pertain to their own life.
 
The thing that bothers me is when someone tries to tell someone else that they don't know what it means to be a slave or they are all wrong in how they define 'slave' for themself.  To me, that's no different than telling someone that they don't know what it means to be a dad, just because the way they define dad doesn't match their own definition.

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I find no fault in your response about how your personal relationship works, nor how you feel about the labels you use. In our relationship we have labels too, and what I call him makes me feel devoted, soft and squishy inside, and close to him... isn't that what it is all about, how we feel as individuals?
YES!!!
 
Sorry for butting-in.  Just wanted to add my thoughts to this discussion....
 
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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 7:04:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry girl it was in response to your question.. Yes.. By the way you are some property!!! Any daddy would love to own a property as you display in your pic!!! anyways, its Sunday here and my brain is on a very slowmotion mode... Give us some easier questions to answer will ya???

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 7:08:42 PM   
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i think everyone should feel that they have the most wonderful relationship that has ever existed or, will ever exist.  And, since i'm not in a competition for "Most Wonderful Relationship", it doesn't bother me when someone else makes that claim.  i just say to myself, "That's really nice."  i wish everyone, who was in a personal relationship, could feel that way.  i know that's how i feel


I loved this part of your post because I think it is rather relevent on the boards these days, and I had to remind myself of this in relation to the Castle Realm threads, it does not work for me, but it makes other people happy... so true slave joy! And what makes us happy as individuals is what makes us feel we have the bestest relationship... it is the bestest relationship: for us.

Edited to add, Barry Manilow is a hard limit

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 7:15:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeeksOnlyOne

i have enjoyed reading this thread, and hate to see it side tracked because someone didn't like someone else saying "text book definition".  i think to him, it was just that, what he was taught and what he believes.......not a way for him to belittle someone with a different definition


Actually, I am quite happy with the discussion as a whole.

I thought it was pretty productive given that behind it all was some meaning regarding how incredibility different people's labels and relationships are.

I'm personally happy that he has found his own way, but hey...in the end, he still wrote quite a long piece lecturing with a big generalization about how slaves and submissives do things...something that went past just saying the phrase "textbook definition".

And unfortunately, he's wrong. Anyone who's spent a substantial amount of time reading posts from people about their own relationships or even better, gone out and met some couples and observed them can testify to that.







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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 7:37:13 PM   
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And what makes us happy as individuals is what makes us feel we have the bestest relationship... it is the bestest relationship: for us.
That's my Holiday Wish for everyone, that they will feel that they have the bestest relationship of all!
quote:

Edited to add, Barry Manilow is a hard limit
Even the Barry Manilow fans and, Barry, himself.  Why shouldn't everyone feel this way, regardless of what they call themself or what sort of crappy music they happen to enjoy?
 
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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 7:41:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And what makes us happy as individuals is what makes us feel we have the bestest relationship... it is the bestest relationship: for us.
That's my Holiday Wish for everyone, that they will feel that they have the bestest relationship of all!
quote:

Edited to add, Barry Manilow is a hard limit
Even the Barry Manilow fans and, Barry, himself.  Why shouldn't everyone feel this way, regardless of what they call themself or what sort of crappy music they happen to enjoy?
 
slave joy
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If i'm not mistaken that used to be either her old sig line or her Daddy's...i know i saw it here before..i think Barry manillow music is the hard limit :)

i loved your post joy, as usual, and i think it is a beautiful wish for people to have that.


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 7:43:31 PM   
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Sorry girl it was in response to your question.. Yes.. By the way you are some property!!! Any daddy would love to own a property as you display in your pic!!! anyways, its Sunday here and my brain is on a very slowmotion mode... Give us some easier questions to answer will ya???


Thought it was...glad i wasn't mistaken. :)

Thanks for the sweetness...funny thing though, nothing really shows in that pic 'cept hair, calves and feet LOL...but thank you much.

i'll try to come up with an easier question next time


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 9:08:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		WTF!!!! Barry Manilow was a legend!!! Watch your mouth next time you spill out anything about the 50's and 60's rockers!!!! got it???

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 9:12:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: petpete

WTF!!!! Barry Manilow was a legend!!! Watch your mouth next time you spill out anything about the 50's and 60's rockers!!!! got it???


Hey you! * tries to look all tough * i happen to love Barry Manillow i was just mentioning that i thought it used to be an old sig line of someone.

So i WILL not watch my mouth so there


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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 9:17:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apologies girl... sorry...  i was referring to julia who has Barry as a hard limit...If anyone can believe that!! (the old pet feels like barking at times... thats all woof!! woof!

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RE: Property?How does it differ... - 12/22/2007 9:41:42 PM   
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Apologies girl... sorry...  i was referring to julia who has Barry as a hard limit...If anyone can believe that!! (the old pet feels like barking at times... thats all woof!! woof!



Not really a hard limit, only a soft one

He reminds me of my childhood (dating myself there)

and it was not my sigline that mentioned Barry Manilow, musta been someone else

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