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Rule -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (1/1/2008 5:01:36 PM)
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ORIGINAL: hermione83
1 Cor 6
8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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ORIGINAL: hermione83
which is repeated over and over in the Bible (that fornicators, the sexually immoral, adulterors etc will not inherit the Kingdom of God). Not to mention there are some references to sex = marriage. Therefore, if you have sex, you are married in spirit in God's eyes. So anyone else you have sex with WOULD be considered adultery, which you at least admitted was a sin. I don't believe anything strictly between a married couple, sexually, could be wrong - as the marriage bed is undefiled, it says in the Bible. Such as sodomy, etc, as you mentioned were meant for sanitary and disease protection more than anything, imho. As long as it was in the context of marriage, and doing nothing to damage the "temple" I think you're golden. Otherwise, if you're burning for each other... well, get married, and enjoy each other then. Before that, get to know each other, learn what you want one day, but don't partake in any sexual acts before that - if you want to follow God.
Quite.
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ORIGINAL: hermione83
PS: Sin is not something that is just a bad idea or not recommended. There are a few things like that in the Bible, but fornication, nor being a "drunkard" are some of them. Maybe some of Solomon's ideas of wisdom would be along the lines of what you say. Sin will keep you out of heaven and is a death sentence. It says they will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Pretty serious stuff..
Quite. To which I add that the original sinners - i.e. adherents of Sin, the Moon god - from my point of view were the - relatively - good people. Later they got a bad rep and the concept of sin as a negative feedback trigger was conceived. This was a primary magical defense against the children - often drunkards - of the minions of Satan. (Satan and his minions themselves are not subject to sin, as they have no innate ethical norms, so whatever they perpetrate, they will not feel any guilt for doing so.)
quote: "Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites"
It has been about twenty years since the first and only time that I read the Bible, so I am not on strong footing here. What should always be taken into consideration when reading the New Testament, is that those texts were not written by christians. They were accepted by christians during the conference of Nicea, but they were written by jews that were pathfinding a new, christian way. As a consequence the texts may be corrupted by jewish morality.
In the quoted sentence I suspect that the part that I made fat is jewish morality corrupting the christian text. Except for the idolaters, all of those categories refer to sexual activities that increase the transmission of sexual diseases: the jewish obsession. Consequently this part of the text is a jewish corruption of a christian text.
As for the idolaters, the gods of the jews were rather jealous gods, especially the last one, the Shepherd Lord. It was his age, so I suppose that his edict against worshipping the other gods and especially their idols was necessary. (Curiously, the catholics still worship idols in the form of statues and likenesses of saints - and christians have as their common idol of course the crucified Jesus.) However, as all the gods were created by the Creator, and thus all of them are divine, Satan included, and since the age of the Shepherd Lord is long past, it stands to reason that all of them may be worshipped, though it is probably best to preferably worship the Divine only.
As for the idols of the saints and hinduistic idols and those of other cultures, they function primarily as a means to focus the spiritual energy of the worshipper and I do not see anything wrong with that, but some people will achieve the same results without those attributes.
Adultery as a means of sexual selection by females benefits the evolution of our species, so that is christian in my book.
One of my friends was homosexual and an incarnation of the Goddess of Slaves and denying him the Kingdom of God certainly would not be christian.
As to fornication, the way I perceive this is as having indiscriminate sexual intercourse not for reason of love, but for reason of lust. This is detrimental to the evolution of our species. Prostitutes do have access to the Kingdom of God, though.
Lastly sodomites. As hermione wrote: as long as it is within the sanctiomony of marriage - or another type of exclusive relationship - and both partners are free of sexually transmitted diseases, it is permitted.
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