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Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/24/2007 1:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty Get Married. The Bible wants you to get married. Fuck that. The Bible doesn't want anything. Perhaps God wants something. Perhaps the priests want something. Hell, perhaps the OP wants something. But the Bible is a book, it doesn't want anything; its contents take on meaning in the presence of a mind. Health, al-Aswad.

domiguy -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/24/2007 2:00:43 PM)
Matthew 15:19 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 1 Corinthians 6 (King James Version) 18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 (King James Version) 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: Here is some classic Ol' Testament shit for your pleasure... 30How weak is thine heart, saith the LORD GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman; 31In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire; 32But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! 33They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom. 34And the contrary is in thee from other women in thy whoredoms, whereas none followeth thee to commit whoredoms: and in that thou givest a reward, and no reward is given unto thee, therefore thou art contrary. 35Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: 36Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; 37Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. 38And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. 39And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare. 40They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords. 41And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more I dig how Christians love being hypocrites ...Just in time to celebrate the birth of the Son of God.

Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 10:28:32 AM)
"Even the devil can quote scripture." That's one piece of commentary that should usually go along with such quotes. Basically, cut and paste, and you can support any position, or speak against any position. Read the whole thing, and the number of possible interpretations dwindle to a much smaller number. Though, of course, there would still be a quite significant number of different interpretations to choose from. Going to the original, untranslated sources, adding the apocrypha and commentaries, etc., will narrow it down further. Applying half a brain-cell to it will narrow it down to a handful, but that's usually called "heresy." [:D] Health, al-Aswad.

NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 12:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord Just.. honestly, if you enjoy being a Dom, you should really consider life as a free individual than being submissive to fictional characters. I mean, religion's great if you're a sub and need someone to look after you in exchange for obidience, but if you're a Dom? Com'n man. Sure the world can be scary, but don't be so afraid of being ultimately responsible for your actions that you live what time you have in this life as a slave to your own superstitions adopted in fear. First, religion shouldn't be, though it sadly often is, about fear. Religion and spirituality are highly individual. There are so many aspects and meaning to those spheres that it's a bit haughty to say it's all a sham, isn't it? You can say it's sham for you. That is your truth. No one should deny you that. Everyone else needs to find their own truth in their own way. It is no one person's place to tell them what their path should be. Donate your opinion, but please present it as an opinion and not fact. Secondly, why is religion relegated to subs? Are we less in your eyes? In your opinion is it the dominant's place to be the all-knowing truth holder, yet it is perfectly acceptable to let submissives delude themselves? In many ways, holding a standard for yourself that you wouldn't hold a submissive to, or vice versa, is a negative thing. Individual cases and obvious orientations aside, submissives, switches and dominants are equal. Submissives and switches simply choose to relinquish some or all power over themselves. That does not make them less in any capacity. I understand the point you were trying to make, but I find that an extremely poor way to make it.

Halley -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 12:44:34 PM)
Just get married. Then you can proceed without a guilty conscience. I mean so what if it doesn't work out. Divorce is not a sin. Even the Catholic church now allows it.

NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 12:47:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty Get Married. The Bible wants you to get married. Fuck that. The Bible doesn't want anything. Perhaps God wants something. Perhaps the priests want something. Hell, perhaps the OP wants something. But the Bible is a book, it doesn't want anything; its contents take on meaning in the presence of a mind. Health, al-Aswad. I shouldn't snicker, but I can't help it. Well said.

NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 12:51:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Halley Just get married. Then you can proceed without a guilty conscience. I mean so what if it doesn't work out. Divorce is not a sin. Even the Catholic church now allows it. No, they don't. If you get divorced and you receive any of the sacraments or "play around" outside of your first marriage in the Catholic church it is considered a mortal sin. That hasn't changed. You can get an annulment, which is exceptionally difficult. It's not the same as a divorce, though, because an annulment decrees that the marriage was never valid in the first place. You can get a divorce and live in chastity and not be declared a sinner. But the reason for that is that if you get a divorce the Catholic church recognizes that you are still married. Once you're divorced, you can't get married in the Catholic church again without an annulment.

thornhappy -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 2:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad "Even the devil can quote scripture." That's one piece of commentary that should usually go along with such quotes. (snipped) Health, al-Aswad. Actually, the "Even the devil can quote scripture" line is from Shakespeare, not the Bible. thornhappy

RCdc -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 3:15:51 PM)
thornhappy - I don't believe Aswad said that the quote was biblical, just that it was a quote to use that could fit. I have to agree with Level (yeah whats new) Aswad the post was fascinating, but then your posts (on religions - all the ones I have read) usually are. Gives food for thought hey, you really could write a book. As for the OP, I would 100% agree with Aswad and regretably have nothing else helpful to add. Peace the.dark.

EvilGenie -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 3:17:05 PM)
I think the thread became a bit derailed from my POV when folks began giving their personal stories with religion, what it did or didn't do to or for them. That is when I saw the OP begin to fade. I love some of the well thought out answers here to assist the OP as well as the humorous posts. This seems to be a huge issue to the OP and in being so I sort of wonder why it was brought to the boards. Having said that, it was brought here. I know many who struggle with the issue of their faith and D/s and/or bdsm. I would have to say to follow and do what you feel is best in your heart for your faith to do. If something is feeling uncomfortable, then step back from that and do something else. Use the posts that are of assistance to you and leave the rest as most of us do here. This struggle is not uncommon nor is it a small one and at the end of the day, many of the answers will have to come from you. Many of us human beings save ourselves for marriage (some not even consciously making that decision but rather circumstances leading to that) whether living an alternative lifestyle or a vanilla one. Personally, I did what my heart told me to do and that was fine for me. Having been an active Dominant over 2 decades now, I owned submissives who were service oriented and had no quest for sex. That doesn't mean that nothing sexual in nature ever happened, it just means that it was extremely limited. My life isn't always faith driven though it is lived always by my own moral compass with the remainder being faith based. I suppose I drive my faith more than it drives me. This most likely comes from having been raised in one faith, changing to different denominations within that faith and then ultimately finding that faith which suited me personally best. You are certainly not alone in this struggle. I have seen Christian BDSM site ads though have no links. Just my POV I Wish You Well

Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 3:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Halley Just get married. Then you can proceed without a guilty conscience. I mean so what if it doesn't work out. Divorce is not a sin. Even the Catholic church now allows it. Something about this strikes me as a way to treat a symptom, rather than the disease... Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 3:51:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Actually, the "Even the devil can quote scripture" line is from Shakespeare, not the Bible. I know, but it's still a very useful commentary that applies. Whether I find the truth written on a stone tablet, or on a cereal box, doesn't matter all that much. Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 3:56:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark I don't believe Aswad said that the quote was biblical, just that it was a quote to use that could fit. Exactly. quote: I have to agree with Level (yeah whats new) Aswad the post was fascinating, but then your posts (on religions - all the ones I have read) usually are. Thank you for the compliment. quote: Gives food for thought hey, you really could write a book. I may yet; it's a lot of hard work, though, so I'm kind of torn between a book, a church, and both. [;)] Now, I obviously know how to say "the black man" in Arabic... ... but how do I say "the black pope" ? Can you tell I'm in a light mood today? [:D] Health, al-Aswad.

sirguym -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 4:06:53 PM)
Christianity, as usually interpreted nowadays, is a sado-masochistic death cult that encourages the abuse of women and children. It is descended from montheistic Judaism, which itself derives from polytheistic Judaism, which itself dertives its teachings from the religions of the Pharoahs. What the fuck relevance can such delusional ramblings to the day to day dilemma's we face today? Get real and live by the law that you should be responsible for the consequences of your own actions, whether intended or not. All books contain some wisdom, and some 'holy books' may have more than most. But none can tell you what is good or bad, for none can know your exact situation. Only you can know that - and you can't know it too well either. But even if we don't have free will we should proceed as if we do, not take the irrelevant and twisted advice of some self-interested god-botherer.

Level -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 4:17:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark I have to agree with Level (yeah whats new) Aswad the post was fascinating, but then your posts (on religions - all the ones I have read) usually are. Peace the.dark. [;)]

Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 5:24:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirguym Christianity, as usually interpreted nowadays, is a sado-masochistic death cult that encourages the abuse of women and children. An argument might be made to that effect; sadly, one was not made this day. quote: It is descended from montheistic Judaism, So far, so good... quote: which itself derives from polytheistic Judaism Pretty much, yes... quote: which itself dertives its teachings from the religions of the Pharoahs. Bzzt! Would you like to play again? Polytheistic Judaism derives from Levantine and Mesopotamian faiths, along with some Egyptian faiths, and later intermingles repeatedly with other religions, if you trace the geneology. The teachings from Egypt only really get into the mix with the coming of monotheism, which is one of the reasons that some have posited that Moses might have been a priest of Aten, or maybe even Akenaten himself. In fact, I think Metatron and Sandalphon are the only clearly original figures in the old pantheon. quote: What the fuck relevance can such delusional ramblings to the day to day dilemma's we face today? A statement that pretty much explains the gross misunderstanding elsewhere in this post. The Bible deals primarily in history and timeless themes related to the human condition. As far as the geneology of morals is concerned, it also forms the foundation of all the humanist ethics, which makes its contents direct antecedents of everything we hold to be good in the west in modern times. I do not think its relevance can be overstated. quote: Get real and live by the law that you should be responsible for the consequences of your own actions, whether intended or not. I believe I arrived at that same conclusion, from the work you state has no such thing to say. quote: All books contain some wisdom, and some 'holy books' may have more than most. No doubt about that. quote: But none can tell you what is good or bad, for none can know your exact situation. Only you can know that - and you can't know it too well either. On the contrary, you can know it perfectly, as you are the sole arbiter of your own morals. quote: But even if we don't have free will we should proceed as if we do, not take the irrelevant and twisted advice of some self-interested god-botherer. Let me guess... you grew up with "religious" parents? [:D] If so, then you certainly know the pitfalls of taking a simplistic approach. Health, al-Aswad.

PanthersMom -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 5:28:04 PM)
i just do not understand why anyone has a problem with BDSM and their religious beliefs. stop confusing something you enjoy doing with something you are at heart. if you cannot reconcile the two, decide which would be easier for you to give up. PM

Aswad -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 5:35:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PanthersMom i just do not understand why anyone has a problem with BDSM and their religious beliefs. stop confusing something you enjoy doing with something you are at heart. if you cannot reconcile the two, decide which would be easier for you to give up. For some of us, both are something we are at heart. And I have no problem reconciling the two in my faith, as there is no contradiction. The OP had some problems doing so, however, and thus I suggested that it might be time for him to take a step back and look at things from a different angle. In effect, to stop doing "the Christian thing," and start being Christian, which inevitably means making up your own mind about the details of it. Otherwise, it's just a case of being a slave to the priests, who happen to (maybe) be Christians. Health, al-Aswad.

LadySeraphina -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/27/2007 5:44:17 PM)
To the OP: I'm a Dominant woman, and a Buddhist. I do not have the issues with sex outside of marriage that you do, but I do have to consider Buddha's teachings on harming others, as well as humility, among other teachings. What we must do is be mindful of the teachings, and ask ourselves if we feel what we are doing is a violation of them. The hardest part is being truly honest - we might LIKE to do something, but SHOULD we? Your faith is perhaps less forgiving than mine, but I do wish you well in reconciling things. As others have said, you can always marry her and then it's clear sailing! [;)] Lady Seraphina (Edited to add: I'm monogamous, and that's one of the reasons that the sex issue hasn't arisen, but frankly I'll screw whomever I please, if it makes us all happy. It just happens that I am happily, monogamously, married.)

sirguym -> RE: Christianity and BDSM (12/28/2007 4:04:05 AM)
I would not argue with much you say, Aswad, and that I could argue over is not worth doing so, for you may well be even more widely read and knowledgeable over religion than I - I rejected the whole pack of doctrines and dogma of all religions at a very young age - though I hugely respect those whose faith (or absence thereof) does inspire them to live wisely and well, especially amongst the many Quakers I have known. I just do not accept that there is any 'received wisdom' in this world. Everything that is written or thought is the work of a man or woman. Nothing is more holy than anything else; just more or less relevant to your life and situation, as guidance; but not as 'holy writ'. If you require your actions to be validated by any religion (or indeed any imposed belief system like socialism or fascism) you are abdicated the responsibility you should take for your own actions. Actually one parent was uninterested in religion, the other vaguely christian; but I went to a church school which pressured me (unsuccessfully by my teens) to pay at least lip-service to their silly rituals. But I have seen so many lives ruined by the childhood physical and sexual abuse, along with the less obvious imposed guilt and blinkers the pious god-botherers (whether Jewish, Catholic, Evangelical, Muslim, Sikh or Hindu) impose on the young to have any patience or respect for their mind-set, doctrine or dogma - though I respect wisdom wherever I find it.

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