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RE: Gas Prices - 8/19/2005 5:59:24 PM   
onceburned


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I'm sure gas will be back down to $2/gallon by december


I dunno about that. I heard on the news a couple days ago that the U.S. currently has an excess supply of gas. Apparently what is driving prices up is the expectation that demand for oils will outpace supply in the fourth quarter, once home heating becomes important.

But lets hope that prices begin to drop.

Angel and SirKenin, thank you for offering a fresh perspective for us Americans. We tend to forget that we actually have relatively cheap gasoline compared to most industrialized countries.

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/19/2005 11:19:59 PM   
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Well, I agree with you (that is, except for the last paragraph, if you were serious about it: I don't think oil companies are ontologically evil).


After watching the whole debacle unravel regards Enron and the falsified California energy crisis, I tend to hold a much more cynical viewpoint when it comes to trusting the upper echelons of the corporate mentality. To get to the point; I think the exponential rise in prices is nothing more than a purposely manufactured crisis. Why? Pure greed! And just because they can.

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PS Mandalin - Sorry to deviate from your original post.


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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 3:36:42 AM   
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Do you rmember when and would you like to do it again?

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 4:46:49 AM   
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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 4:47:42 AM   
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Yes, that's all very true. Except I wonder about those deceptive geologists. My understanding is that everyone knew the Alaskan oil reserves would yield only enough energy to fuel us for six months.

Lordandmaster


i could do the research to verify that You are correct Lam, but i'm lazy and the subject isn't about sex or BDSM. LOL.

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 8:37:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, your point was that oil companies would be gouging us for water if they controlled water. Of course oil companies would be gouging us for water if they controlled water--but not because they are oil companies. That's what I meant when I said I don't believe they are ontologically evil. Oil companies would be gouging us for water if they controlled water because ANY company would be gouging us for water if they controlled water.

(This is one of many reasons why I don't believe in laissez-faire capitalism: the only goal of a corporation is to make a profit, and their pursuit of that goal is not necessarily in line with the greater goals of society. I remember we had a discussion about this a couple of months ago, but it kind of degenerated.)

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_109172/mpage_3/tm.htm#110999

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

After watching the whole debacle unravel regards Enron and the falsified California energy crisis, I tend to hold a much more cynical viewpoint when it comes to trusting the upper echelons of the corporate mentality. To get to the point; I think the exponential rise in prices is nothing more than a purposely manufactured crisis. Why? Pure greed! And just because they can.

Evil as in “Slaughter the lambs” – No Greedy as in “To fleece our pockets’’ - Yes



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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 8:54:45 AM   
DesertRat


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Status: offline 		I agree with the above opinion. The purpose of a corporation is to make a profit and to perpetuate its existence.

So, how do Americans respond to "gouging" by the oil companies? Like Americans: they buy lots of huge gas-guzzlers and line up to buy even more of the shit. They create a rise in demand, then whine when the price goes up. But all they do is whine...and buy more.

I'd like to see the price of gas go sky high, partly for the sheer entertainment value of it. It will be fun (in a sick way) to see how Americans respond to $3+/gallon gas prices. Based on past performance, I would predict increased and more creative whining, accompanied by increased consumption. Dammit, we need more really BIG SUVs!

Bob

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 8:57:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I vaguely remember there being a couple websites out there where you can plug in your zip code and it'll tell you the places with the lowest gas prices in your area. Anyone remember what site(s)? I could definitely use the link. :)

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 9:00:34 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I don't remember the URL, but I do remember that it's very inaccurate. I typed in my own zip code and knew of several places with lower prices than anything that came up in the results.

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 9:07:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have to watch that pricing, too. We have one station here in my town that always appears cheaper than the rest, but they really aren't. Reason: Their octane levels are all a point or two lower than the other stations. So what they call premium is the same as the other guy's mid-grade; their mid-grade is the other guy's regular; and their regular is just lawnmower gas.

Bob

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 9:28:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mandalin

So, I'm just curious to as what the gas prices are where you live. It's $2.56 here...went up again today. Do you think it will go back down a little like it sometimes does, or do you think it will keep going up?


As of Friday (Aug 19th) the average price for regular in suburban Chicago, Cook County was $2.89 per gallon.

The price of any commodity never goes straight up or down over an extended period of time. In the case of unleaded gas, we've been in a long-term up-trend in prices. I don't think we've seen the top of unleaded gas prices yet.

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 9:54:41 AM   
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LOL Lam! I always thought Ford stood for "Figure On Repair Daily"... cello

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Oh? I thought FORD stood for:

Fix Or Repair Daily
Fucked Over Raunchy Drives
Found On Roads Dead



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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 10:00:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

Americans behave like the glutton at the table where oil is concerned.

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I wouldn't limit that statement to just oil!

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 10:07:40 AM   
subfever


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ORIGINAL: slavedesires

When i got my driving license, gas was only .27 a gal.

~~shy



I'm not sure what year you began driving, but the US Dollar has depreciated by 80% since 1971. This plays a huge role in the difference between prices of then and now.

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 10:22:32 AM   
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I'd like to see the price of gas go sky high, partly for the sheer entertainment value of it. It will be fun (in a sick way) to see how Americans respond to $3+/gallon gas prices. Bob


Would you really? What about the thousands of people who are already living paycheck-to-paycheck... or worse? And if $3.00+ per gallon proved to be a prolonged situation, filling their tanks wouldn't be the only pain they would feel. The cost of consumer goods would also noticably increase.

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 10:30:29 AM   
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If you ask me, I say the consortium of crooks from the Petroleum industry are leading this nation down a stray path to catastrophe.

- The Ranger



Would you limit this consortium to the petroleum industry?

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 11:15:40 AM   
DesertRat


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ORIGINAL: subfever


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesertRat

I'd like to see the price of gas go sky high, partly for the sheer entertainment value of it. It will be fun (in a sick way) to see how Americans respond to $3+/gallon gas prices. Bob


Would you really? What about the thousands of people who are already living paycheck-to-paycheck... or worse? And if $3.00+ per gallon proved to be a prolonged situation, filling their tanks wouldn't be the only pain they would feel. The cost of consumer goods would also noticably increase.

subfever


Yes I would...really and truly. Here in southern NM, these poor, paycheck-to-paycheck people are driving Ford F-350s, Chevy Avalanches, Navigators, Suburbans, and other monstrosities. No doubt, they sacrifice a lot for the privileges of driving those pigs. I say let them sacrifice more. Otherwise, they would just have to waste the money on their children, and what fun would that be?

Bob

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 11:52:15 AM   
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Well, your point was that oil companies would be gouging us for water if they controlled water. Of course oil companies would be gouging us for water if they controlled water--but not because they are oil companies. That's what I meant when I said I don't believe they are ontologically evil. Oil companies would be gouging us for water if they controlled water because ANY company would be gouging us for water if they controlled water.

(This is one of many reasons why I don't believe in laissez-faire capitalism: the only goal of a corporation is to make a profit, and their pursuit of that goal is not necessarily in line with the greater goals of society. I remember we had a discussion about this a couple of months ago, but it kind of degenerated.)

Edited to add:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_109172/mpage_3/tm.htm#110999

Lordandmaster



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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

After watching the whole debacle unravel regards Enron and the falsified California energy crisis, I tend to hold a much more cynical viewpoint when it comes to trusting the upper echelons of the corporate mentality. To get to the point; I think the exponential rise in prices is nothing more than a purposely manufactured crisis. Why? Pure greed! And just because they can.

Evil as in “Slaughter the lambs” – No Greedy as in “To fleece our pockets’’ - Yes


Lam, i have sat across from the CEO's and CFO's of insurance companies set up to cycle about 18 months, gathering premium and never setting claims reserves because by the end of the cycle, the company would dissolve and people would be injured in the default. Some were health insurance companies, dropping pregnant women from coverage as soon as the rabbit died. i think there is such a phenom as a "corporate culture" or zeigist....but the owners/officers/shareholders of these companies were evil in my opinion,. They sat down and plotted a fraud on the poor, usually spanish-speaking people in Miami/Dade.

Enron was once a legitimate company, but expanded and did so knowing full well that it would default at some point. Anyone with a Business Major could have predicted their business plan was fatally flawed. Then to add insult to injury, they raided the coffers of the employees' retirement account before announcing they were defunct.

I cannot understand why the SEC has not brought more prosecutions and more people are not serving time. What is the difference between what happened at Enron and robbing an elderly woman at gunpoint?

pinkpleasures

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 1:01:39 PM   
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Oh? I thought FORD stood for:

Fix Or Repair Daily
Fucked Over Raunchy Drives
Found On Roads Dead



Close enough

Today, in the metro Cincinnati area, gas prices ranged from $2.59 to $2.64, from what I saw. Sheesh!

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RE: Gas Prices - 8/20/2005 1:45:47 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Well, just as an example--the CEO of Enron was a personal friend of the President of the United States.

And speaking of which: you know about the sweet deal he pulled when he owned the Texas Rangers, right?

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I cannot understand why the SEC has not brought more prosecutions and more people are not serving time.


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