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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

If you ask me, I say the consortium of crooks from the Petroleum industry are leading this nation down a stray path to catastrophe.

- The Ranger

Would you limit this consortium to the petroleum industry?

subfever

Absolutely not! Look over at the Pharmaceutical industry - It's the greedy twin brother as far as I'm concerned.

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ORIGINAL: subfever

But interestingly, no one has mentioned the ringleader of the consortium leading this nation down a path of catastrophe.

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ORIGINAL: Youtalkingtome

You will be correct. That is the plan.It won't stop untill it is high like it is in Europe.

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

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I'd like to see the price of gas go sky high, partly for the sheer entertainment value of it. It will be fun (in a sick way) to see how Americans respond to $3+/gallon gas prices. Bob

Would you really? What about the thousands of people who are already living paycheck-to-paycheck... or worse? And if $3.00+ per gallon proved to be a prolonged situation, filling their tanks wouldn't be the only pain they would feel. The cost of consumer goods would also noticably increase.

subfever

Yes I would...really and truly. Here in southern NM, these poor, paycheck-to-paycheck people are driving Ford F-350s, Chevy Avalanches, Navigators, Suburbans, and other monstrosities. No doubt, they sacrifice a lot for the privileges of driving those pigs. I say let them sacrifice more. Otherwise, they would just have to waste the money on their children, and what fun would that be?

Bob

That's a very interesting comment.

In your opinion, what percentage of poor people in the paycheck-to-paycheck or less category are driving these gas guzzling monstrosities?

There are far too many of these monstrosities being driven around in my area as well. What I find amazing is that the great majority of them on the streets on any given day are being occupied by a single person. Unless the occupant is a very large person, this seems like such an enormous waste!

subfever

Well, this isn't scientific but it appears that more than half of the people here drive the big rigs. People don't earn much here, so I guess you have two wage earners paying a big part of their earnings for the payments and fuel. That is why it would be so great to see gas prices go over $3/gal. It would seriously hurt them and maybe force them to drive something a little less American.

Bob

Sometimes a large car or truck is needed.And some people need a new car or truck.And because of this they can only afford one new car or truck.I assume some of the people you are talking about have the big car or truck for this reason.
Like myself.I have 1988 Ford F250 4x4 and only drive it when I need it.It gets 12 mpg. I have a 1999 Ford Taurus that is my daily driver and it gets 51 mpg on the highway and 39 mpg combined and 31 mpg in the city.And My Harley gets 64 mpg.
Not everyone that has a big car or truck drives it everyday.Some do.
What do you drive and what do you get for mileage??

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Your 1999 Ford Taurus gets 51 MPG on the highway and 39 MPG combined? That's very hard to believe, since the U.S. government tested that same make and model, and got 27 MPG and 22 MPG, respectively:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/15100.shtml

(That's several miles per gallon less than for comparable Asian midsize sedans, by the way. Not a coincidence, in my view, that Ford is gasping right now.)

Lam

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I have a 1999 Ford Taurus that is my daily driver and it gets 51 mpg on the highway and 39 mpg combined and 31 mpg in the city.

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If you're talking about the President and Vice President, we HAVE mentioned them.

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But interestingly, no one has mentioned the ringleader of the consortium leading this nation down a path of catastrophe.

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I don't have anything bad to say about your last post!
That is what makes the U.S. different then other countries.We have the freedom to be gluttonous piggies.In most countries it is not an option.
We can be what we want instead of what we are told to be.

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I don't care what the Government says!!
I work with a guy that has a 2001 Chevy/Geo/Toyota it has a four cylinder engine and my car has a V6 engine.He said he gets 34 MPG and his wife has a 2004 Neon four cylinder engine and she gets 40 MPG.But they can't get the mileage I do because they can't drive that slow. Those were his words! He knows how I drive and I know how they drive.I set the cruise at 65-67 and they drive 70-90 mph on the highway.That is why they can't get the good mileage I do.
I could go on and on with examples.Most of the time poor gas mileage is because of someones poor driving habits.It is called being in control of your self.

As far as Ford gasping, that doesn't have much to do with gas mileage.Yes,it does play a part. It has more to do with the cost of doing business in the present state of our country.And cheap labor and lack of enviromental laws in other countries.Most of the parts have been made in other countries for years and just assembled here.In recent years all or most manafacturers have been moving out of the country to do business.But because of stock holder greed they build less expencive cars but the price keeps going up.So now they are all over priced junk.It doesn't matter what brand.Most of the parts are made in the same factories and assembled in another factory.
Now that they have been having the big sales in the past couple months they sold out of the 2005s before the 2006s came in.Price is the reason.They are all hurting including the foreign name brands.

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Oh God no! I'm talking about a much bigger power... the money power.

Might be better to start a new thread though, for if we get started on this, we'll stray far from the topic of gas prices.

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I don't have anything bad to say about your last post!
That is what makes the U.S. different then other countries.We have the freedom to be gluttonous piggies.In most countries it is not an option.
We can be what we want instead of what we are told to be.

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Deisel is about 1 Euro a liter so thats much better, although I do recall last time I was home deisel cost more then regular gas, not sure why prob just Gas companys gouging for it.

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I don't have anything bad to say about your last post!
That is what makes the U.S. different then other countries.We have the freedom to be gluttonous piggies.In most countries it is not an option.
We can be what we want instead of what we are told to be.

We're not as free as the people of western Europe. We just think we are because that rahrah sloganism has been successfully marketed to us. You are right about that one critical freedom, though: we are free to buy as much of whatever crap is pushed to us as we want. We're not the smartest (hardly) or the best, and someday we won't be the biggest and the strongest. That's how it looks to me, anyway.

To get back on topic, though: It's gone up a few cents more here since this thread started. Now heading for 2.70/gal. There is a Shell station here that always delays its price increases for a couple days and, as a result, now has people lined up there every day...almost looks like the mid-70s.

Bob

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I don't have anything bad to say about your last post!
That is what makes the U.S. different then other countries.We have the freedom to be gluttonous piggies.In most countries it is not an option.
We can be what we want instead of what we are told to be.

Perhaps to a degree, but aren't you told to be a taxpayer? ...

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...Damn, I am full of gas and if everytime I flaggelated I could raise the price another nickel or so....I'd own Friken Suadi Arabia!

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Well, I'm curious to know what you're talking about.

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Oh God no! I'm talking about a much bigger power... the money power.

Might be better to start a new thread though, for if we get started on this, we'll stray far from the topic of gas prices.