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pantera -> RE: Gas Prices (9/1/2005 10:43:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster The difficulty for me is choosing between Democrats and Greens. Green candidates are closer to my views, I don't actually know anybody that likes "the greens" or even takes them seriously- the are very anti-capitalist, so we clash- but they get along well with "the socialists" and "the pinks"

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Gas Prices (9/1/2005 11:34:50 AM)
quote: Israel $2.56 billion annually in US Foreign Aid Egypt $1.835 billion annually in US Foreign Aid. Jordan $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid. India $143,699,000 annually. Pakistan $300,000,000 annually in US Foreign Aid. Not including the Military Financing of $4.8 Billion. Broken down as follows: Israel $ 2.2 billion grant ($580 million procurement in Israel of defense articles and services) Egypt $1.3 billion Pakistan $150 million Administration $40 million DOD Expenses Arms Export Control Act $367 million Thanks for putting that up to inform people of what's not in the news, hopefully make them think?!. M

onceburned -> RE: Gas Prices (9/1/2005 11:52:16 AM)
quote: Thanks for putting that up to inform people of what's not in the news, hopefully make them think?! No, I doubt it very much. Consider how much the budget deficit and national debt are in the news and yet there is no public outrage. Consider that in the current fiscal year, the U.S. government has spent $314 Billion on interest payments alone - and that doesn't include the money that was spent in August and will be spent in September. http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdint.htm The amount of money spent on foreign aid is a small fraction of the money that is wasted on interest payments on the national debt. But the public doesn't seem to care that 10% of the federal budget goes to pay interest: that is $100 out of every $1000 you pay in taxes being spent and not buying anything.

KCMOLucky -> RE: Gas Prices (9/1/2005 12:00:34 PM)
Weighing in today.... Gas has gone up $0.40 in two days, and we're at $3.10. Hubby's been riding the bus to work for a while, now, and we're cutting out any unessential driving, but in a couple of weeks we've GOT to make a trip to go see family. Gas alone is going to cost us over $130, and we drive a little Kia. sigh I'm contemplating more and more the amish lifestyle.

DesertRat -> RE: Gas Prices (9/1/2005 12:48:22 PM)
I like the Greens. But, then, I am a socialist pinko, so waddya expect? Bob quote: ORIGINAL: pantera quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster The difficulty for me is choosing between Democrats and Greens. Green candidates are closer to my views, I don't actually know anybody that likes "the greens" or even takes them seriously- the are very anti-capitalist, so we clash- but they get along well with "the socialists" and "the pinks"

Lordandmaster -> RE: Gas Prices (9/1/2005 5:19:37 PM)
I'm just curious--did you even TAKE Economy 101? quote: ORIGINAL: pantera When there is more demand than supply for a product, then higher prices are a MUST- basic economy 101

Mercnbeth -> WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 9:38:03 AM)
WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Middle East countries. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil. These companies import Middle Eastern oil: Shell............................ 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels If you do the math at $60/barrel, these imports amount to over $36 BILLION! (oil is now $60-$70 a barrel) Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Citgo......................0 barrels Sunoco...................0 barrels Conoco..................0 barrels Sinclair.................0 barrels BP/Phillips............0 barrels Hess.......................0 barrels ARC0....................0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

cellogrrlMK -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 9:44:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS BIG snip Mercnbeth, thank you for this info! Now I'm just trying to figure out which company Thornton's might be a subsidiary of so I can decide whether or not to buy from them! cello

DesertRat -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 9:53:34 AM)
I buy Shell almost exclusively. I don't think that really hurts the U.S. Bob

happypervert -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 10:48:07 AM)
quote: Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil. Do you realize that the Middle East includes Kuwait, UAE, Dubai, Bahrain, a free Iraq and other oil producing nations besides what ever countries (Saudi Arabia?) you claim are trying to kill you? Probably not. But that really makes your list worthless because you can't distinguish the "bad" Middle Eastern oil from the good. Also implied by your list of Middle East "safe" gas stations is the notion that if everyone were only to buy their gas there that oil money wouldn't go to the Middle East. Of course, that is ridiculous because even if everyone were to do that the supplies wouldn't materialize out of thin air -- those companies would just have to get their supplies from someone else who gets it from the Middle East! Not to mention that anytime you buy a product made overseas you would be indirectly paying for the energy used to make that product, and where do you think that comes from? Here's a pretty good article about global oil markets for anyone interested.

stef -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 10:57:05 AM)
How dare you bring logic into this knee-jerking jingoistic rant? Shame on you. ~stef

Lordandmaster -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 12:35:23 PM)
Well, it's hard to find a warm and fuzzy oil company, but Shell's exploits in Africa have been scandalous. I really don't think there is a good choice to be made. I find I get the best performance from Mobil, but I'm not a big fan of that company, either. quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat I buy Shell almost exclusively. I don't think that really hurts the U.S.

DesertRat -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 1:01:33 PM)
I think they're all bad and they all have skeletons in their closets. I believe Shell is a Dutch and/or French company, so maybe it does hurt the US to buy their stuff. If so, that is another reason for me to buy it. As for performance? Not sure about "best", but their product seems consistent. Bob

JohnWarren -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 1:04:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat I think they're all bad and they all have skeletons in their closets. I believe Shell is a Dutch and/or French company, so maybe it does hurt the US to buy their stuff. If so, that is another reason for me to buy it. As for performance? Not sure about "best", but their product seems consistent. Bob The full name as I recall is Royal Dutch Shell

skivvy -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 3:19:10 PM)
gas around here (ottawa, ontario) is running at about $1.20-$1.30 per litre these days. good thing i take the bus :D

Lordandmaster -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 4:10:29 PM)
Yeah, by coincidence, I just got a thing today from the Sierra Club saying I should boycott Exxon/Mobil. And their case was compelling. Problem is, which oil company SHOULDN'T I boycott? Please, someone show me a green oil company. quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat I think they're all bad and they all have skeletons in their closets.

DesertRat -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 4:31:42 PM)
Green oil? Hmmmm....how 'bout that old Castrol racing oil made from castor beans? It was kind of a greenish color, wasn't it? Bob quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Yeah, by coincidence, I just got a thing today from the Sierra Club saying I should boycott Exxon/Mobil. And their case was compelling. Problem is, which oil company SHOULDN'T I boycott? Please, someone show me a green oil company. quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat I think they're all bad and they all have skeletons in their closets.

frenchpet -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 4:37:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Yeah, by coincidence, I just got a thing today from the Sierra Club saying I should boycott Exxon/Mobil. And their case was compelling. Problem is, which oil company SHOULDN'T I boycott? Please, someone show me a green oil company. In Brazil, lots of cars run on ethanol (ethanol can run 4-stages engines). And in Germany, more and more vehicles run on vegetal oil (vegetal oil can run 3-stages engines (am I using the correct terms ?)).

Lordandmaster -> RE: WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS (9/6/2005 6:06:50 PM)
I guess you mean biodiesel (which came up earlier in this thread). I'd love to run my car on biodiesel, but my local Sunoco doesn't have it at the pump. Edited to add a link to a recent Reuters article about ethanol. Sounds like it's still years away. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050906/sc_nm/energy_ethanol_wrap_dc_1

Ojedieu -> RE: Gas Prices (9/6/2005 8:06:30 PM)
2.99 now in Michigan. Our Governor made a deal with Marathon/Speedway execs not to put the price of unleaded above 2.99 in Michigan. They did it, and now all the other stations find they're having to follow suit. It's gone from 3.69 some places back to 2.99.

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