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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 8:31:52 AM   
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t is sort of amusing that people treat CR like it is some Sacred Cow...


Yeah, that pretty much sums it up for me.  I never understood what was so special about it.  I found it to be more fantasy than anything else.  But I'm not exactly the most romantic person you'll ever meet either.  I was pointed to it when I was starting out, but I was also pointed to some other websites, such as pittsburghleather.org which I found to be more appropriate and realistic.  More appropriate and realistic for me.



You know, in my real life relationship we get cranky sometimes. We have stress at times. It is not perfect with little unicorns running around in the front yard to greet our lifestyle friends as I don my corset that I have been specially trained to wear for the event that I will flawlessly help host with my Daddy. Sinergy never has me talk in third person. I am never required to refer to anyone as "master so-and-so". I do not get on my knees for my Daddy. In short: I suppose that I fall short of the Castle Realm ideal often.

About 5 years ago, before I even met my former dominant for the first time, he had me go and search for other people that were into Ds. It was a task that he had me do so that I could see what other people were up to. I joined some groups online. There were a couple that followed what they imagined to be the Castle Realm ideal, and to be honest, it WAS completely fantasy based. None of these people had even met each other, one of them claimed his parents were lifestylers.. it was really all so silly, but the anthropologist in me found it rather fascinating (which was why  I was assigned this task in the first place).

I suppose I am a bit jaundiced about the entire CR thing because of my real life experiences do not support what I read on CR. Life is not romantic 24-7 for most people, nor would most of us want it to be. Some of us find romance in very simple and unexpected ways... like cuddling in front of the TV, or cooking a meal together. For some of us romance exists outside of the Ds component altogether.



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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 10:29:05 AM   
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I find it interesting that you are making assumptions about people who are at odds with your way of thought. There seems to be a contingency of people here who inexplicably think that anytime someone voices an opinion that differs from the rose-colored glasses view that some have, that those self same people are automatically "lonely, bitter, bitchy, insertadjective here".

On the contrary, I find those people who are the most outspoken here to be most literate and flexible in their views. Oh, and not bitter, lonely and jaded. One can be perfectly happy or content and still have a very vociferous way of posting. Not everyone's posting style is going to speak to your sensibilities. Some posters make me laugh, some make me think, some make me sick, etc. We are all individuals who express differently.

On top of that, I, for example, have been known to rethink my stance on something once debated in an intelligent manner and I am woman enough to go back to the post and say, yes, you know, it is true what you have said, thanks for pointing that out.

What I do not tolerate are those who fail to listen to any argument but their own; when you approach something with a differing opinion with intelligent argument and they can only respond with childish self-serving comments because they are unwilling to hear your side, then the conversation usually disintegrates into flames, insults and worse.

I find it interesting you said BDSM Elitist, which is a very good term, that can be used on both sides of the fence. An elitist means that you feel YOUR way is the best and true way and how often do we see that on these boards?


Well she said "people who seem rather bitter, lonely..."  meaning it is her perception.  We all have perceptions, brought about by the words and behaviors of others.  Sometimes they are correct, sometimes they are incorrect.  I didn't see an assumption made, which would have been a more definitive statement about others.

I do agree with you that everyone here is an individual who expresses their thoughts uniquely to their own personality.  I love the diversity this forum provides as a result.  But I don't think luci is saying let's not have opposing discourse.  I think she was agreeing with me that a thread filled with pages of people gagging, hurling, and "ewwing" (no ews here, but goodness I have seen them elsewhere)  is "childish" (to use your word ).

BitaTruble started another thread to discuss the actual concepts espoused in CastleRealm.  So far, some good conversation (complete with opposing views) is going on over there.  No one is hurling or gagging.  Just some shared views on a particular CR concept.  I for one certainly don't take issue with that. 


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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 10:31:23 AM   
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I find it interesting that you are making assumptions about people who are at odds with your way of thought. There seems to be a contingency of people here who inexplicably think that anytime someone voices an opinion that differs from the rose-colored glasses view that some have, that those self same people are automatically "lonely, bitter, bitchy, insertadjective here".

On the contrary, I find those people who are the most outspoken here to be most literate and flexible in their views. Oh, and not bitter, lonely and jaded. One can be perfectly happy or content and still have a very vociferous way of posting. Not everyone's posting style is going to speak to your sensibilities. Some posters make me laugh, some make me think, some make me sick, etc. We are all individuals who express differently.

On top of that, I, for example, have been known to rethink my stance on something once debated in an intelligent manner and I am woman enough to go back to the post and say, yes, you know, it is true what you have said, thanks for pointing that out.

What I do not tolerate are those who fail to listen to any argument but their own; when you approach something with a differing opinion with intelligent argument and they can only respond with childish self-serving comments because they are unwilling to hear your side, then the conversation usually disintegrates into flames, insults and worse.

I find it interesting you said BDSM Elitist, which is a very good term, that can be used on both sides of the fence. An elitist means that you feel YOUR way is the best and true way and how often do we see that on these boards?


Well she said "people who seem rather bitter, lonely..."  meaning it is her perception.  We all have perceptions, brought about by the words and behaviors of others.  Sometimes they are correct, sometimes they are incorrect.  I didn't see an assumption made, which would have been a more definitive statement about others.

I do agree with you that everyone here is an individual who expresses their thoughts uniquely to their own personality.  I love the diversity this forum provides as a result.  But I don't think luci is saying let's not have opposing discourse.  I think she was agreeing with me that a thread filled with pages of people gagging, hurling, and "ewwing" (no ews here, but goodness I have seen them elsewhere)  is "childish" (to use your word ).

BitaTruble started another thread to discuss the actual concepts espoused in CastleRealm.  So far, some good conversation (complete with opposing views) is going on over there.  No one is hurling or gagging.  Just some shared views on a particular CR concept.  I for one certainly don't take issue with that. 




Yeah, hurling and gagging are pretty much grade school. We do agree on that.

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 2:21:37 PM   
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Hello rick
As you will have read from previous posts the site has been down for sometime now and I guess its simply not commercially viable anymore to keep it running.....or people move on in time.

Interestingly I am in the pro CR camp as it detailed a partial area of My beliefs (albeit in a rather overfluffy manner and could never have stood alone as a lifestyle rule book by any means in My opinion)and whilst I view it as an outdated site now I did enjoy re reading some of the writings.Frankly, whilst I respect anyones right not to  give credit to the site I do find the hi jacking of your thread down right rude.

be well ...Knite

Stick around bubba...You want rude? I can show you rude. What you see here is pretty tame.


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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 5:44:18 PM   
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When i first began interacting with other people in the lifestyle ,i was intrdouced to a lot of sites and books,"Screw the Rose, get me the thorn", reading Anne Rice books, i can count the number of online submissive/slave journals i read and wrote reactions to for my Domme at the time.i may be weird but i didn't take anything i read as having been delivered in stone written by a brushing bush. As such the site was educational and informative in showing how one couple view Bdsm, i never took it be more or less valid than anyone else's opinion on anything.

i was a little shocked by the initial reactions, i didn't know if was hazing someone who didn't have 800 posts on the board or what the deal was. i also wondered if the initals reactions of "gag" "i second that" "=hurl=" and "gag hurl and wretch" were showing me i be over educated for the group. I realized hey, i've in the lifestyle long enough not to let any comments bother me. i thank those who wrote me messages,but i'm a sub, i'd like to think what people dish out.

my sitiuation of late is i have returned to the local community i was a part of several years ago.....Bdsm wise i've been living off the grid for a while and have enjoyed finding out friends and new ones as well. a discussion at a munch group lead to a discussion of early exposure to the scene,some of us had been around or curious since before Al Gore invented the internet and remember newspapers with ads and wild stories from exocitic sounding places in the Poconos and what was her name, a Pro Domme from Seattle, i want to say her name was Mistress Amanda or something like that. That peaked an interest for me. The Anne Rice books, which for various reasons i never liked. i've always maintained you don't find the lifestyle it finds you. Whether be through Castle Realm, or where ever, It's a valid entry way to the lifestyle.. If it seems trite now, so do some movies,books and TV shows i like in Junior High and High School.It doesn't mean they were not meaningful experiences .

i think the whole Castle Realm discussion can be summed up by someone who wrote me private Castle Realm was not a "good" or a "bad" site.Whether they looked at as they started their journey liked what was said or didn't like it, It was there and seemed to be an important part of people journey into the lifestyle.

i was pleased to see and fully endorse the idea of discussing the ideas in CastleRealm.The fact that it has ideas worthy of discussion tells me the site had some value for good or ill.
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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:16:31 PM   
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Well, since I am the one who gags, hurls, and wretches at the thought of this site, I guess I’ll respond to luci’s thoughts about my actions J

Well, in all honesty, you were only one of the ones.
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A new person, reading this site, is going to be overwhelmed at the thought of ‘ohhhhhhhhh this is exactly what I am looking for, I am so glad that I got to read this”…they meet their first Dominant and find out…ooopppss…he hurt me….that’s abuse according to what I read on Castle Realm. Uh huh. Instead of a person knowing ALL the aspects that can come from a D/s relationship…they are instead left feeling used, abused, and hurt because they think they did something wrong to make the Dominant hurt them. Why did they not have the wonderful romantic encounter that was told about on Castle Realm?

I definitely see your point, Irish.  But we can't assume that just because someone "new" to the wild, wonderful world of this "lifestyle" (now there's a word that makes ME gag, hurl, and retch...lol....) is so impressionable and lacking in good sense that they're going to let someone's views on a single website convince them how it all should be.  What if they came here to this site and were so impressionable?  It really wouldn't be any different.  They'd be pulled in a hundred different directions of what's "right."  People that gullible and easily influenced have other problems to begin with, don't ya think?
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To me, it was just a site that invited issues such as this. They should have made sure that they also went into other aspects of what could be encountered; instead of only showing the one aspect.

Again, I definitely see your point.  Thanks for taking the time to explain it a little further
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Romance is fine…but when it’s shown as the only way to have a relationship…well…gag, wretch and hurl…

True.  Any way shown as the ONLY way is gagworthy, not just a romantic one, of course....................luci

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:27:44 PM   
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I find it interesting that you are making assumptions about people who are at odds with your way of thought

First of all, I am not making assumptions.  I made an observation.  There is a big difference.  It has been my experience that many times - not all, of course - the posters who are so full of venom and vitriol toward "romantic" notions are indeed ones who at the current time are not blissfully, romantically involved in their own lives.  That is not an assumption.  That is something I have seen/read many times. 
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There seems to be a contingency of people here who inexplicably think that anytime someone voices an opinion that differs from the rose-colored glasses view that some have, that those self same people are automatically "lonely, bitter, bitchy, insertadjective here"

Perhaps but I am not one of them.  Again, I have no problem with anyone "voicing an opinion that differs" from mine.  Now that's making an unfounded assumption.  Secondly, I no longer wear rose-colored glasses.  Haven't for years.  Neither did I EVER say that anyone who disagrees with my view is "automatically" anything, let alone the words you threw in above.  Ah, Ah....re-read please.  My point was that I have often observed (again, not assumed) some pretty harsh things being said about those who "bought into" Castle Realm.  That's a fact not an opinion.  I just don't see any value in dismissing an entire site or entire groups of people who find something positive in it. 
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On the contrary, I find those people who are the most outspoken here to be most literate and flexible in their views

Often yes.  That's why it's so obvious when they become not so flexible and instead become mocking and judgmental simply because they don't like something that others do.
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One can be perfectly happy or content and still have a very vociferous way of posting. Not everyone's posting style is going to speak to your sensibilities. Some posters make me laugh, some make me think, some make me sick, etc. We are all individuals who express differently

You're preaching to the choir, dear.  I've never maintained otherwise.  I know if you've read many of my posts at all, you'd know better. 
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On top of that, I, for example, have been known to rethink my stance on something once debated in an intelligent manner and I am woman enough to go back to the post and say, yes, you know, it is true what you have said, thanks for pointing that out

And I myself have done that too many times to count. 
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What I do not tolerate are those who fail to listen to any argument but their own; when you approach something with a differing opinion with intelligent argument and they can only respond with childish self-serving comments because they are unwilling to hear your side, then the conversation usually disintegrates into flames, insults and worse

And you're making my point for me.  That's exactly what I didn't tolerate about the attacks on Castle Realm and those who abide by its philosophies.  I've said over and over here that I don't particularly even like the site myself.  I just found it odd how the slamming of it and those who like it were so accepted.  I didn't see you commenting on how that was childish or self-serving or intolerant.  I just pointed out how I kinda thought it was. 
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it interesting you said BDSM Elitist, which is a very good term, that can be used on both sides of the fence. An elitist means that you feel YOUR way is the best and true way and how often do we see that on these boards?

I can't take credit for saying that term.  I just amened it.  Again, I don't know how you got the impression that I feel that MY way is the best and true way.  I NEVER said that.  Ever.  Again, I only made an observation, not an assumption.  I never said one word about MY way being better than anyone's.  I'm certainly no elitist and never have been.  You must seriously be confusing me with someone else.................luci

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:29:01 PM   
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Hate is a strong word, but reading excerpts like the one that celeste posted reminded me of how much I dislike CR

Yeah, that wasn't meant to be taken seriously.  It's a figure of speech.  Yanno, I'm so hip, urban, and cool.  I was talkin' about the playa haters.  It was not meant to indicate genuine "hate."................luci

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:30:37 PM   
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I’m having visions of animated torches flickering on a bricklike background.
 
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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:32:39 PM   
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Well she said "people who seem rather bitter, lonely..."  meaning it is her perception.  We all have perceptions, brought about by the words and behaviors of others.  Sometimes they are correct, sometimes they are incorrect.  I didn't see an assumption made, which would have been a more definitive statement about others.

I do agree with you that everyone here is an individual who expresses their thoughts uniquely to their own personality.  I love the diversity this forum provides as a result.  But I don't think luci is saying let's not have opposing discourse.  I think she was agreeing with me that a thread filled with pages of people gagging, hurling, and "ewwing" (no ews here, but goodness I have seen them elsewhere)  is "childish" (to use your word )

Thank you, ownedgirlie.  If anyone understands me, you do...lol.  That's exactly it.  I have never opposed discourse and all I was doing was agreeing with you, for sure.  Yeah, I'm the childish one here.  The need to argue can be so overwhelming sometimes that people see fightin' words where they never existed.  Oh well, at least my favorite poster gets it..............................luci




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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL luci, go eat your brussel sprouts.   

(I have actually never had brussel sprouts, can you believe it?)

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:40:58 PM   
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LOL luci, go eat your brussel sprouts.   

(I have actually never had brussel sprouts, can you believe it?)

You are one lucky woman.  I didn't voluntarily eat one, really.  It was an accident.  I thought it was like a tiny head of cabbage.  I was a young kid and really didn't know what it was.  I felt adventurous so I chewed it up and , I'll never forget it.  I love veggies but that is one I just can't stomach.  If Mr. Wonderful really wants to torture you some day, he'll make you eat a bowl of them.  Now that's evil..................luci

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:42:04 PM   
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I wish I had copied all the articles I found so useful and real. This serves as a reminder to me, not to take things for granted. I innocently believed Castle Realm would be around forever.




You can still access some of /most of the articles on here http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://castlerealm.com

They seem to have alot there...atleast from 2001 forward.




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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:46:27 PM   
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If Mr. Wonderful really wants to torture you some day, he'll make you eat a bowl of them.  Now that's evil..................luci


Ha! I'll be sure to NOT tell him that.   I keep trying to tell him I hate chocolate and he can torture me with that, but he doesn't buy it, lol.

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad that the tone of this thread seems to be turning around. Castle Realm is definitely slanted in the romantic direction however there are a lot of valid things written there. Just as with any place developed around one particular facet, the reader has to determine what to take and what to leave. 

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:53:22 PM   
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Ha! I'll be sure to NOT tell him that.   I keep trying to tell him I hate chocolate and he can torture me with that, but he doesn't buy it, lol.

That's brilliant thinking!  Yes, if I could only convince Master that white chocolate is the worst torture He could inflict upon me.  Hmmmm.............luci

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:57:37 PM   
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I wish I had copied all the articles I found so useful and real. This serves as a reminder to me, not to take things for granted. I innocently believed Castle Realm would be around forever.








You can still access some of /most of the articles on here http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://castlerealm.com

They seem to have alot there...atleast from 2001 forward.





I went there, and went to the submissive's section.  There's a memo to new submissives, basically telling them all the things people here tell them - don't rush, arm yourself with knowledge, know what is expected of you as you enter any situation, know your limits, rights, and potential dangers...

I don't know where my good friend Bita found her quote about masochists, but I have a page open, which says things like:

BD does not require its participants to be dominant or submissive by nature, but only that they assume that role for the duration of the activity.  Many people enjoy bondage that have little or no interest in submission in other aspects of their lives.   Discipline can involve submissive behavior on a more elevated level and requires a deeper understanding of the power exchange between top and bottom, but again, it can exist without the inclusion of any other area of existence.  The people who enjoy BD often have no need or desire to go beyond what it takes for immediate gratification of their physical or mental need during sessions.
 
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D/S is not dependent on pain, implements or physical activities, although those things sometimes are incorporated into the individual relationships.  Dominant and submissive characteristics are natural in some individuals and follow the guidelines of many other species in the animal kingdom, wolves and primates being examples.  The power exchange takes place on an intellectual or psychological level, the submissive deferring to the dominant in the decision making process.  How far this goes is dependent on the individuals' level of trust and need.
 
Aren't these the kinds of things we are espousing here?

And at the bottom of her memo was a list of books - the same books often cited here, as well:
Books You Should Read
I'm not sure how the links will work, but the quotes above were taken from here and the books from here (bottom of page).

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 6:58:07 PM   
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I'm glad that the tone of this thread seems to be turning around. Castle Realm is definitely slanted in the romantic direction however there are a lot of valid things written there. Just as with any place developed around one particular facet, the reader has to determine what to take and what to leave

Absolutely.  No matter what one is reading, watching or hearing, if they can't thoughtfully do that then no one can be blamed but them.  Oh but someone without a world of knowledge about BDSM might read that and think it's all hearts and roses.  So?  Someone might watch "Jackass" and attempt the stunts.  No accounting for one's IQ and what one does with info they take in.  That doesn't negate the value some found in the writings there.  You always have a nice way of finding the balance between one side and the other, camille............luci

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 7:13:18 PM   
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I definitely see your point, Irish.  But we can't assume that just because someone "new" to the wild, wonderful world of this "lifestyle" (now there's a word that makes ME gag, hurl, and retch...lol....) is so impressionable and lacking in good sense that they're going to let someone's views on a single website convince them how it all should be.  What if they came here to this site and were so impressionable?  It really wouldn't be any different.  They'd be pulled in a hundred different directions of what's "right."  People that gullible and easily influenced have other problems to begin with, don't ya think?

And you know from experience that when those like that DO COME HERE and post about shit like that; I have no sympathy for them either. I tell them all the same thing. Grow a fucking backbone. But at least, they are not being told here that there is only one way to do things and if if does not go that way, then it's wrong and abusive.

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RE: Castle Realm - 12/22/2007 7:19:28 PM   
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I don't know where my good friend Bita found her quote about masochists, but I have a page open, which says things like:



Here is the link to the essay that Bita posted in the other thread http://web.archive.org/web/20010801160524/www.castlerealm.com/subspace/subspace.htm


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