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juliaoceania -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 8:00:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty He wouldn't dump me over delaying telling him this by a day. That's so silly. You feel sorry for him because I waited 24 hours after I got the score to tell him? Please. OMG, what a terrible manipulative game Im playing!! Im not lying. I previously thought bear referred only the animal and that bare referred to both bare as in the most basic and bare as in endure. I can bear to be wrong and learn. Here is my issue with your post... The way in which you paint your own master is not very flattering to him. You continually post in a way that would engender some form of sympathy for your plight because your master is going to dump you, beat you, and do all sorts of manner of evil to you because you scored three points shy of his approval... Now I was sympathetic to a point, but I am beginning to pity your master too, because having a submissive that would go on a public message board and make him out to be some ogre smacks a little of being publically humiliated by one's sub. When I have done something that he found displeasing, I did not go on a message board and talk about how he was going to dump me/beat me and how unfair that is because I scored three points too low to be considered a human being with value. Either you deserve his treatment, or you don't.. if you don't, quit defending him... if you do, well then shut the fuck up about it and face it like a big girl... I have just excused myself from your pity party

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 8:32:13 AM)
LOL that's so funny, I only read the first page of the thread and yet my feelings are exactly like Julias. Hey, if a master sets a goal of getting a particular number on an exam and it is not met, then I find no fault with the sub feeling as though they missed the mark- because they did. Sometimes "trying" just isn't good enough when it comes to dealing with the stupid reality of the world we create. I also find no fault with the master ENFORCING the rules and expectations he put forth- and in this case I don't think any line of reasonability has been crossed. But I do question why the OP started this thread at all? Perhaps she's under the idea that we're all some community she can cry to and get her shoulder patted?

dovie -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 8:38:14 AM)
it may be helpful for folks to read this chat http://www.collarchat.com/m_1491037/tm.htm still SMH... LA....this is not directed at you beautiful......you were just the last one to post.. dovie

cloudboy -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 8:58:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross LOL that's so funny, I only read the first page of the thread and yet my feelings are exactly like Julias. Hey, if a master sets a goal of getting a particular number on an exam and it is not met, then I find no fault with the sub feeling as though they missed the mark- because they did. Sometimes "trying" just isn't good enough when it comes to dealing with the stupid reality of the world we create. I also find no fault with the master ENFORCING the rules and expectations he put forth- and in this case I don't think any line of reasonability has been crossed. But I do question why the OP started this thread at all? Perhaps she's under the idea that we're all some community she can cry to and get her shoulder patted? LA, the premise of this whole D/S relationship is demented. The Domme looks like an abusive, idiotic parent figure who gets banned from little league baseball games, and the sub looks like an immature, self involved, co-dependent 25 year with no sense of personal independence. Girls need to shed the ego-maniacal, fragile ego thing sometime after age 16 or 17 (when they realize that there's a greater world around them.)

EvilCrimeLord -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 9:18:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dovie it may be helpful for folks to read this chat http://www.collarchat.com/m_1491037/tm.htm still SMH... LA....this is not directed at you beautiful......you were just the last one to post.. dovie Various people have mentioned this today but slaves/subs looking for other slaves/subs on behalf of their Master/Dom is hardly anything new.

chellekitty -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 10:00:20 AM)
is this the same Master as in this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1370821/mpage_1/tm.htm ? and didn't you already tell us about "punishing" him here : http://www.collarchat.com/m_1396388/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1396388 ? eta: that was a fast reply...

Missokyst -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 10:09:39 AM)
I am pretty sure I saw the same poster seeking a sub for herself not her master. In that same post the complaint was that she was too pretty, to thin, to petite to be taken seriously. Now we must add intelligent to the list of attributes. Oh.. and humble, lets not forget that one. Put them all together they spell... Heh.. I will let people read into things as they will Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: EvilCrimeLord quote: ORIGINAL: dovie it may be helpful for folks to read this chat http://www.collarchat.com/m_1491037/tm.htm Various people have mentioned this today but slaves/subs looking for other slaves/subs on behalf of their Master/Dom is hardly anything new.

MistressNoName -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 10:47:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty quote: Now I'm not sure what your GPA is but if your LSAT is THAT high then I'd assume you would push yourself to be btwn 3.75 and 4.0 as a GPA. No. I am an underachiever who does not try. I have a 3.45 and dropped out of school for several years until Master made me finish. Do I want to be a lawyer? I guess so. I want to go to law school. My father says I want to avoid the real world by hiding in school. I don't think we should make any decisions based on what I want. I am terrible. Despite having an IQ which is within the top 1%, I nearly failed out of high school. The guidance counselor told my parents not to send me to college because it would waste their money. The other kids and teachers publicly discussed how I would never graduate and fail in life. Which was essentially true until Master corrected this. And its not like I am gifted in some other way. I am not good with my hands (Master is). I am not some artist. I am just a technically book smart person that doesn't even do well in school. I also spent over two years being unemployed after I left school. I actually have no memory of what I did during that time. Laid in bed mostly. I need my Master. I do not function without him. quote: No. I am an underachiever who does not try. I have a 3.45 and dropped out of school for several years until Master made me finish. Do I want to be a lawyer? I guess so. I want to go to law school. My father says I want to avoid the real world by hiding in school. I don't think we should make any decisions based on what I want. I am terrible. Despite having an IQ which is within the top 1%, I nearly failed out of high school. The guidance counselor told my parents not to send me to college because it would waste their money. The other kids and teachers publicly discussed how I would never graduate and fail in life. Which was essentially true until Master corrected this. And its not like I am gifted in some other way. I am not good with my hands (Master is). I am not some artist. I am just a technically book smart person that doesn't even do well in school. I also spent over two years being unemployed after I left school. I actually have no memory of what I did during that time. Laid in bed mostly. I need my Master. I do not function without him. Kitty, honey...wait a minute...and I first aplogize for not reading the rest of the thread first...You have an IQ where??? Darling, you need to find some new friends who will support you enough to break away from these people who are limiting you and holding you back. Einstein, as you may recall, if you review your history, was terrible in school...his teachers did not think he'd amount to much either...he wound up getting a job as clerk...remember that?? And look at what he did!! And that's with holding down a f/t, go nowhere, boring job...he wrote the scientific theories that set the world on fire. As far as you spending two years in bed, have you considered you might be depressed? Seek out counseling and I strongly advise trying to separate yourself from these people in your life. I know I am talking out of my ass right now, but I just cannot believe how you are putting yourself down, when I can see and everyone on this board, except you can see that you have a lot to offer...but you are giving yourself over to people who neither see you nor have any regard or respect of you. Write me off board if you like and best to you. MNN

KindLadyGrey -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 11:02:40 AM)
Okay, this post pushes so many of my buttons I don't know where to start. . .but I think the best place to start is the place that might actually help you. So if you are still keeping up with your thread, copy this reply, and when you are allowed to speak with your master, read/show it to him. quote: Despite having an IQ which is within the top 1%, I nearly failed out of high school. The guidance counselor told my parents not to send me to college because it would waste their money. The other kids and teachers publicly discussed how I would never graduate and fail in life. Which was essentially true until Master corrected this. And its not like I am gifted in some other way. I am not good with my hands (Master is). I am not some artist. I am just a technically book smart person that doesn't even do well in school. Dear Kitty's Master, I am a teacher. I actually teach these tests, among other things. What kitty said above has LEARNING DISABILITY written all over it. As a teacher I am not legally allowed to diagnose students with learning disabilities, but what I can do is suggest that their parents have them evaluated, and Sir, that is what I am doing to you. As the person who is in charge of kitty's life, and who I assume wants the best for her, you may want to look into having her evaluated for a learning disability. Students with learning disabilities can still achieve very highly if pushed, like scoring a 167 on their LSATs, and nevertheless feel like stupid failures all the time like kitty obviously does. Master/slave relationship aside, I have seen this pattern many times in students of all ages. Even though they may be smart enough to figure out how to compensate for the learning disability and achieve at a reasonable level, their self-esteem ends up completely broken because people keep saying things like "You are so smart, you just don't apply yourself" and so on and so forth. By the time they reach adulthood, even if they are very high achievers they are convinced they are lazy and not good enough to run their own lives. They end up depressed, despondent, and reaching vainly for the intermittent approval of others. The Master/slave relationship you have with kitty is quite obviously very important to her for this reason. It is a vehicle within which she can seek the approval she needs to prop up her self-esteem. Of course, as you can see from the way she overreacted in this post (I am sure you are not going to leave her for her LSAT score, since you seem like a reasonable person willing to invest a lot of time and effort into kitty's well being), this reliance on you for her self-esteem is a double edged blade that can also hurt her when she fears your disapproval. This may be an essential piece of your Master/slave relationship and I have no intention of making a judgment call about that. But what is very important is that you send kitty in to get professionally evaluated for a learning disability, and if one is found, that you help her start getting treated for both the pragmatic problems related to the disability and the emotional fallout of dealing with feeling like a failure for so many years. I know you think you know what is best for kitty and that you might think your firm guidance is enough to help her achieve anything. Unfortunately, no matter what you help kitty achieve, it will never make her feel truly accomplished. If you like kitty this way, then by all means ignore me. If you want her to be happy with herself, I hope you will take my advice. I could be totally wrong, but if I'm not getting kitty evaluated and treated for a learning disability may turn her life around. I will share an anecdote about this to illustrate how getting such an evaluation can help. I have a girlfriend who has always been an overachiever. She got decent (but not perfect) grades in school and did decently well on standardized tests. Her family and friends though, knew how brilliant she was, and never understood why it was so hard for her or why she wasn't doing better. She struggled through college, convinced that she just wasn't as smart as other people and that's why she had to work so hard. When she was 25 she was diagnosed as dyslexic. It didn't make school any easier for her, although she was granted some academic accommodations, but it allowed her to let herself off the hook for being "stupid" or "not trying hard enough" and begin to focus on the things she really wanted instead of trying desperately to be as perfect as everyone around her thought she should be. She completed a very competitive Physical Therapy program at Georgetown, one of the top programs in the country. I'm not saying that kitty is dyslexic. There are many different kinds of learning disabilities that have the same emotional fallout. It is the pattern of helplessness in the face of achievement that I recognize, not any specific kind of learning problem. I don't know kitty or her work well enough to begin to talk about that. This may be a M/s thing, but I don't think that it is. It is obvious that kitty felt this way about her achievement before she ever met you. As I said before, I can't speak to any specific learning disability, but if you want to talk more with me about my experience dealing with LD students please feel free to do so. Hoping in vain this might actually help, KindLadyGrey

DesFIP -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 12:23:43 PM)
I don't know if she has any LD. I do know she suffers from depression and her parents instead of getting her medical help, made the depression worse by blaming her for being ill. And that the so-called master is forcing her to do something she doesn't want to do, still hasn't gotten her any help for her family of origin issues or the depression, and is exactly like her emotionally abusive father. Wonder if he would beat the crap out of her if she were a diabetic and wound up in the hospital for not getting to a piece of candy in time as opposed to getting her evaluated to wear an insulin pump?

KindLadyGrey -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/22/2007 1:59:02 PM)
Cut the girl's Master some slack. Based on her forum history, kitty is obviously a little histrionic and approval seeking, so it is highly likely that her harsh portrayal of her Master is not the whole story. That's why I addressed my reply to him instead of her. She has explicitly admitted that she has no desire to have any control over her own life and lacks the competence to do so. He is the one who controls her life, so this is his problem to deal with. And yes, depression is obviously a problem here as well, but the things she has said about her academic history fit the profile of a LD pretty well. On the off chance that this isn't just attention seeking behavior and there is a Master out there somewhere who cares for her, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know I'd go nuts if I had to deal with kitty ;)

kitttty -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 9:31:50 AM)
quote: Perhaps she's under the idea that we're all some community she can cry to and get her shoulder patted? Why not? quote: In that same post the complaint was that she was too pretty, to thin, to petite to be taken seriously. I said small. Not thin and pretty. Small. I would have no issue if I looked like Cindy Crawford, who is thin and pretty but rather tall. Master knows about this account and has all the passwords and knows I post, so I will post his response to me: you are quite right. I am very disappointed. of course, your lackluster LSAT score is most troubling for (I hope) obvious reasons. further, I am upset to hear that you did not answer your potential pet's phone call. it is strange that your pet is more disciplined that you are! how should I interpret that? perhaps I have selected the wrong pet! (I hope not.) you will not be released yet... unless you request it. however, know that you will be severely punished. it is difficult to design an appropriate punishment for you. previous attempts (such as the punishment ball, corporal punishment, orgasm denial, etc.) seem to do very little to improve your behavior. can you be trained? perhaps I should consider body modification; though, I am generally not a fan of that. I intend to deal with you as soon as I return home. when I see you next, I will deliver the xmas gift I had purchased and assembled for you. However, you will not be allowed to open it until you are an obedient and proper pet. perhaps that will serve as a reminder of all the treats I have planned for you -- that you deny yourself because of your undisciplined ways. finally, tell your father whatever you wish. i love Master very much. indeed i have a learning disability. i am not dyslexic, but when my learning abilities were first tested, i scored as gifted in every category and then fairly retarded in visio-spatial learning. this affects me in some ways and Master knows about it. I was not told that this was a learning disability until my adulthood although the test had always been there. my parents somehow failed to grasp that it meant i have some limitations. ex, when i said i do not drive, i struggle to drive, actually. i am terrible at three dimensional navigation. i also have difficulty doing something like taking two plates and a cup from the dishwasher to a cupboard. i think normal people know how to stack them and lift them so they don't break but i just break a lot of dishes. i struggle with a number of units within subjects- i am no good with graphs and vectors, of course, but overall I can still complete science and math courses with passing grades. I have struggled with nearly every entry level job though. I once got fired because I put an analog watch on backwards and arrived a half hour late for work. I no longer wear analog watches. The LSAT is a bitch for me because they only allow analog watches and it takes me a while to read them and its confusing for me to use them as timers. For me, its like having no timer and depending on internal pacing. I also must do all the logic games questions in my head because I cant understand making diagrams for them. But I only missed one in this section as I was able to learn to do them internally. I also am thought of as very stupid by employers because I cannot do tasks that entry level jobs commonly require. Ex, if I am told to scan something, getting a book to scan straight and adjusting it on the screen is really hard for me. I routinely forget which buttons on a phone do what. I also cannot write as quickly as most people. I write at about half the speed as a normal person, which is bad if you are taking notes at a meeting. I can probably only do a job that never requires going to a new location and involves no physical manipulation of anything. There are not a lot of jobs like this. But probably I can sit in an office and do litigation. At least Master thinks so. He says I will like law school.

dcnovice -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 9:49:40 AM)
quote: Perhaps she's under the idea that we're all some community she can cry to and get her shoulder patted? Might it be the same hunger for community that leads one to seek Prayers for the Aunt or virtual companionship while He's Gone?

dawntreader -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 9:56:16 AM)
OUCH! peace of archives, j

Daddysredhead -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 9:59:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty He wouldn't dump me over delaying telling him this by a day. That's so silly. You feel sorry for him because I waited 24 hours after I got the score to tell him? Please. OMG, what a terrible manipulative game Im playing!! Im not lying. I previously thought bear referred only the animal and that bare referred to both bare as in the most basic and bare as in endure. I can bear to be wrong and learn. Here is my issue with your post... The way in which you paint your own master is not very flattering to him. You continually post in a way that would engender some form of sympathy for your plight because your master is going to dump you, beat you, and do all sorts of manner of evil to you because you scored three points shy of his approval... Now I was sympathetic to a point, but I am beginning to pity your master too, because having a submissive that would go on a public message board and make him out to be some ogre smacks a little of being publically humiliated by one's sub. When I have done something that he found displeasing, I did not go on a message board and talk about how he was going to dump me/beat me and how unfair that is because I scored three points too low to be considered a human being with value. Either you deserve his treatment, or you don't.. if you don't, quit defending him... if you do, well then shut the fuck up about it and face it like a big girl... I have just excused myself from your pity party What she (julia) said..... [8\|]

ownedgirlie -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 10:04:17 AM)
~ Fast Reply ~ Maybe it's just me, maybe others feel the same and aren't chiming in, but I really can't understand the hostility on this thread. I'm not even asking to understand it, either, I'm just really surprised by it. Why shouldn't we be supportive of someone who is trying to excel? I belong to an attorney with extremely high standards. I can understand setting a goal of 170 for an LSAT. I can understand setting a high goal for anything, when the owner knows the slave is capable of it. While a score of 167 maybe be awesome for some, maybe it really is substandard to the OPs capabilities? If so, telling her it's OK that she didn't meet her own bar isn't such a hot idea. I'm expected to get straight As because my Master knows I am capable of it. He wants me going to a highly accredited school, because he knows it will be more promising for me to do so. When I was in my Stats class and my personal life was coming apart, he still pushed me to do well. Everyone around me was telling me to drop the class, or to just get by with a C. Master said no way - he wanted an A. After a personal crisis right before the mid term, he agreed that a B would be acceptable, while the world around me was still telling me to quit. As it was, I got a B+. I was extremely proud of that B+. So far it's the only B I have received, while going through my Dad's death, a divorce, and the loss of my home. I have learned I am capable of much more than I ever realized, and I have him to thank for it. We don't know what kittty's Master's intentions are here. I see it as a man who is pushing his girl to be all she can be, when she has a tendency of taking the easy road. I don't see anything wrong with that. While I wouldn't choose to post my dilemmas on a forum while I was going through them, she has, which makes her subject to everyone's judgment, of course. But I still don't understand the negativity here. I guess it's just part of the human dynamic that continues to confuse me. In any case, I wish the OP well. (edited for a typo)

YourhandMyAss -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 10:10:54 AM)
You do realize you're making your "master" seem like an immature unreasonable asshole who wouldn't know his head from his ass and don't deserve a submissive right? You paint a very bad picture of him from everything you've said a bout him on this the first page alone. as for your real dad being disapointed too, he's an idoit also if you truely are coming out in the top 20 of your class. quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty I do not think he is kidding. He says sometimes he thinks the goals he sets are too hard for me and if that is the case, I should tell him and he will release me and be my friend. But I dont want that at all. My real father will also be disappointed about my score.

popeye1250 -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 11:16:54 AM)
Don't worry, it's fun working in a coalmine. They sing songs as they swing their picks.

angelikaJ -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 11:51:41 AM)
kitttty... you are not always going to be able to do better simply by trying harder. Sometimes trying smarter perhaps...sometimes doing more of less works well. I believe you are smart...but even though you say it in words you don't seem to acknowledge it AT ALL in regards with how you see yourself. It seems as though your sense of identity is very much determined by how others see you. If you have a learning disability, or depression...there are resources available to learn new methods that will incoporate the way your brain does things...and your brain can be trained. Also, if you have a learning disability they can make adjustments in the administration of standardized tests. If you know that doing something *this* way will usually result in failure for you but you don't know another way to do it...doesn't it make sense that learning a different way to do it might increase your level of success? If you don't know... that does not mean you can't learn...but you need the right tools..it is hard to change a tire with just a screwdriver...you need a jack, you need a lug-wrench and you also need to know how to use them. I hope what i said made sense... aJ

juliaoceania -> RE: I fucked up my LSAT. I am going to cry. (12/23/2007 12:34:39 PM)
My "negativity" is that I think she should step up and be a big girl about her plight. If she thinks she could do better, then she should. If she doesn't, then she does not deserve this and she should act in whatever manner that she deems to be appropriate. I am not feeling sorry for her anymore. Now I do not think of it as being negative, I think of it as saying "put up or shut up".

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