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EvilGenie -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 4:34:59 AM)

Seems to me that this thread is less about closed minds and religion and more about closed hearts and human beings. Just a thought.

Happy_______(fill in the blank) Is this what we should begin saying so as to not offend anyone? Happy, insert your celebration here? I am not Christian nor Jew though am not offended when wished a Merry Christmas. As I said, take it in the spirit in which it is said or perhaps what you lack is spirit. I celebrate Christmas and Eid ul Adha. Big whoop, it's all about goodwill towards others and I will accept that no matter the words used to express that.

edited to add; Do all of you so offended by this wish in turn smile a genuine smile, say nicely ''I am sorry I don't celebrate Christmas but a Merry Christmas to you'' Huh? I sincerely doubt so.

EG



Politesub53 -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 4:43:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

it does bother me when someone wishes me 'Merry Christmas' it is like everyone who says that is automatically asuming i am christian or catholic or whatever and is also asuming the same of everyone else..would you really honestly like it , for example if you celebrate christmas but everywhere you went people said 'happy chanuka'?
i think 'happy holidays' is alot more polite



When I am in US, if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas I thank them because they wish me well.
When I am in Israel and someone sasy Happy Chanukah I thank them because they wish me well.
Lets make a deal you make all the Jews in Israel say "Happy Holidays"
And Ill make all the Christians say "Happy Holidays" , lets not worry abou the 5000 or so combined years of tradition.



Very nice post Moloch. If someone wishes me "happy whatever" i never take it as them being rude or assuming i am of the same religion. i just see it as they are extending me greetings and i return the compliment.

Festive cheer to everyone on the board.



KyttynTheMynx -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 5:55:44 AM)

(fast reply...)

Jumpin gophers on a pogostick...ITS A GODDAMN HOLIDAY SEASON.  Think about someone other than yourself.  Forget that it offends you.  Focus on the fact that above all, its about being with your families.  I dont care if youre Christian, Jewish, Mormon, Scientologist, or Pastafarian, or if you worship the friggin Underpants Gnomes.  I am sick and tired of seeing individuals who are more life advanced than myself, getting all bent outta shape over something so fucking trivial.  Wear a sign around your neck from now on.  Or wish them a Happy {Insert Whatever} as "retaliation", IF you should wanna be so juvenile.  But, what do I know?  I'm just a person who could give a shit less about the holiday meanings as long as it means I get to spend one more in good health with my family...



laurell3 -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 5:56:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

it does bother me when someone wishes me 'Merry Christmas' it is like everyone who says that is automatically asuming i am christian or catholic or whatever and is also asuming the same of everyone else..would you really honestly like it , for example if you celebrate christmas but everywhere you went people said 'happy chanuka'?
i think 'happy holidays' is alot more polite



When I am in US, if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas I thank them because they wish me well.
When I am in Israel and someone sasy Happy Chanukah I thank them because they wish me well.
Lets make a deal you make all the Jews in Israel say "Happy Holidays"
And Ill make all the Christians say "Happy Holidays" , lets not worry abou the 5000 or so combined years of tradition.



Very nice post Moloch. If someone wishes me "happy whatever" i never take it as them being rude or assuming i am of the same religion. i just see it as they are extending me greetings and i return the compliment.

Festive cheer to everyone on the board.


Agreed Ps and happy Easter.......(haha couldn't help it...goes with the eggs too)



juliaoceania -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 6:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

Actually you are right on one thing I do have religious intolerance. I hate religion and everything associated with it. And you may see it as warmth and blessings but just because you see it that way doesn't mean I do. I have had too many bad experiences with religion and people telling me im going to hell for my beliefs to see religion as a warm fuzzy feeling when most times it is not. I am completely not being inconciderate. I am stating my feelings on the matter and stating ones personal feelings is not being inconsiderate. If they bother you so much you don't have to post here.


You are the only one that suffers for these feelings surrounding the holidays, no one else. There is always some reason to feel offended, and your taking offense is only harming you.



MrrPete -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 6:44:34 AM)

I was raised in a predominately Jewish community.
I often went to school on Jewish holidays only to sit
alone with the teacher.

In all my years with them I was never wished a Happy
Hannukah. [that I can remember. Most did wish me a
Merry Christmas and celebrated Christmas right along
with us getiles.

Since Dec 25 is not, never has been and never will be
the day Crist was born I do not celebrate as such.

BUT I let my white beard grow longer and don a Santa
hat from Nov 26 to Dec 26 and celebrate it as a
commercial holiday.

Very few people know about the concurrent holidays to
Christmas. So what if it isn't YOUR holifsy the person is
wishing you peace and joy. Just say thank you and move-on



elfette -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 6:44:37 AM)

Merry Christmas,
Yes i said the dreaded phrase.  But why would it be wrong to wish you the best of my bliefs.  We are in a world where political correctness has watered everything down to tasteless pap, where no authenticity is valued.  Here at least, we should be able to be authentically who and what we are, and be truthful about it.  After all, many of the precipes of BDSM are fully dependent on honesty.  If i know you hold a different belief, of course i would acknowledge it, but it would still not be wrong for me to wish you my best.  Quite frankly, i am tired of appologising to the minority, because they do not follow the same belief system i do. 



xBullx -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 7:39:23 AM)

 
Damn...............peanutbutter balls and a John Deere coffee mug!!!!

You spoiled bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

What's being christian got to do with it?  I'm an athiest, but I enjoy spending time with family and friends, giving gifts, eating waaaaaaay too much red velvet cake, ham, turkey, deviled eggs, peanut balls, etc.... and lets not forget giving my relatives kids really noisy gifts like cap guns or things like silly putty [sm=trident.gif]  not to mention the gag gifts between me an one particular cousin... this year he's getting a really big box of styrofoam peanuts... inside of which is another box (wrapped) of styrofoam peanuts... inside of which is another wrapped box of... you guessed it... eventually he gets to a small box wrapped in four layers of electrical tape and gift wrap containing.... one John Deere coffee mug.

I love Christmas [:)]



summerblossom -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 9:11:57 AM)

Okay, you all need to calm down and relax, this post started off as a mere opinion and has been blown out of proportion 10 fold by nasty flames and people acting as if they are on their period. When I said I was offended first of all, I meant very mildy offended. In fact, in general, I don't get offended that easily and am not taking these posts as seriously as most of you are. Secondly I will not argue with any of you, it seems, some of you, one person in particular really loves nasty arguements. I don't, in fact I hate arguements.Nextly lets get one thing clear right now, when I said I was offended it didint mean that I act on it! Good lord people! When someone wishes me a happy holiday or whatever I ALWAYS respond kindly, NEVER in a rude manner. So you can all just calm down, and take this as what it was intended to be, a polite, light, discussion, nothing more, nothing less. But if you really insist on arguing and flaming , please I ask you nicely to take it to private chat and not polute the message boards with your negativity. Now remember what I said before you make asumptions okay? I NEVER RESPOND RUDELY AND AM NEVER MEAN  TO PEOPLE THAT WISH ME A HAPPY HOLIDAY IN WHATEVER FORM. I was just stating a mere annoyance, thats all. (And no I'm not saying this to everyone, I know that some of you responded to other things. Thanks and have a Good Holiday. Really for those of you that this is really upseting, I have let it go and you should too. 



farglebargle -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 9:15:47 AM)

Welcome to teh Internets.




sexyred1 -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 9:27:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

LOL add me to the list of people who realize that Hannuakah is a minor holiday in the Jewish faith.  She should go notify her local rabbi.


What you and so many others are failing to see or hear because it is not your true way, is that Hanukah is not minor at all, but to some Jews, any holiday is cause to celebrate as a FAMILY HOLIDAY.

So your suggest to whoever "she" is is quite unfounded since I am sure "her" local Rabbi or for example, my recently deceased grandfather who was a Rabbi, would not be arguing about the merits of minor vs. major, which is purely subjective, but more about what an individual considers major, in my family's case, which is the ONLY thing that matters, all holidays spent in the Jewish tradition are MAJOR.

This is the kind of thing that no amount of link searching can or will ever be able to show you or anyone else posting on this thread.

All of the flames here putting people down for their differing beliefs in how they weigh any holiday vs. how society in general views a holiday...have got to be a new low, even for collarme.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 9:35:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: elfette
We are in a world where political correctness has watered everything down to tasteless pap, where no authenticity is valued.  Here at least, we should be able to be authentically who and what we are, and be truthful about it. 

So you think all christians should stop having trees and lights and wrapping paper and parties and stockings and decorations and CERTAINLY anything to do with "santa claus" and only give basic small useful gifts and go to church? 

Strip away all the traditions and rituals christians stole from other cultures...you don't have much left to the actual christian celebration of the birth. 



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 10:51:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

I was all ready to write a long post to reply to SexyRed..  But it seems to me that after what Emporer and FatDomDaddy wrote in response, the only thing I have to say is
"well said guys!"


Rolls eyes....oh I guess we won't get to see your sterling witticisms, tragic.


So that's it? That's your retort?

Typical.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 10:55:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

Okay, you all need to calm down and relax, this post started off as a mere opinion and has been blown out of proportion .


You have still never answered why you started this thread about a holiday that took place two weeks ago?



FatDomDaddy -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 11:02:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: summerblossom

But if you really insist on arguing and flaming ,


Pointing out the fallacy in someone's statement, especially with facts, is hardly a flame.



SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 11:05:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KyttynTheMynx

(fast reply...)

Jumpin gophers on a pogostick...


hahaha....im telling my asst principal that one.....it can help her expand her profanity from just "booger snot"

and Merry Christmas to you and yours



RCdc -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 11:57:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Strip away all the traditions and rituals christians stole from other cultures...you don't have much left to the actual christian celebration of the birth. 


I never view christmas as only a christian holiday, more a timeof year unifying different beliefs and religions.  There are so many celebrations, from the 'birth of christ' (said a little ironically due to the date being vague), amaterasu, many drudic celebrations, and yule over the time period its one of the most 'shared'.  I'll deck the halls, use zuni prayer sticks and one year even had a sieve/colander on my doorstep [:)]
 
I tend to just enjoy the time we get to spend with family, and I am blessed because I have people to spend time with, that I never forget.
 
the.dark.



RCdc -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 12:28:57 PM)

Religious intolerence is a serious post.  It is also an interesting one.  This would and could have been a really good one.  Well - have a happy holiday and a blessed new year, whatever spiritual or non spiritual belief you hold to.
 
the.dark.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 12:29:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
I tend to just enjoy the time we get to spend with family, and I am blessed because I have people to spend time with, that I never forget.
 
the.dark.

 
That's really it for me, too.  While I used to be a pretty conservative Christian, I no longer am.  But my family has a tradition of celebrating Christmas Eve with a huge family bash that anyone is invited to - friends, family of family, whatever.  All the Spanish traditions come out.  We sing Spanish carols - my uncle in his raspy voice leads the gang, the kids have a cute little talent show, we eat fudge and pastinos (Spanish cookie), dance the lingo, and laugh, laugh, laugh.   We've been doing this since I was little.  Christmas day we all get together again at my brothers, eat turkey, play cards, watch the little ones run around all hyper with their new toys, and just love being together.  Since our family has had so much tragedy in the last couple of years, there's a whole new level of gratitude for being able to be together.

For me, it's now a commercial holiday - much like Valentines Day and St. Patricks Day (say, aren't those days in which we honor Saints??).  I no longer care its reason; I'm just really happy to be with my family.  When someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, I think "Heck yeah, family festivities, it will be awesome." 

There is so much to be thankful for, and we miss it by focusing on the smaller things that we choose to let upset us.  That's not directed at anyone in particular; just a general comment from someone who used to do that.



Emperor1956 -> RE: Happy Chanuka ???? (12/24/2007 2:45:48 PM)

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LuckyAlbatross:  So you think all christians should stop having trees and lights and wrapping paper and parties and stockings and decorations and CERTAINLY anything to do with "santa claus" and only give basic small useful gifts and go to church? 


No NO!  Please, Christians (well certain ones reading this *wink*) don't dispense with the stockings.  And the garterbelts....noooooo.

*looks around....realizes that's NOT what she meant....ohhh.   Never mind.  *

-E

Happy Christmas to all, and to all, a good night!



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